Ben Roethlisberger

lukin2006

blackredyellow wrote:

There are some idiots in the media saying that he should be suspended for the season... on what grounds? Yes, he's apparently scumbag and has done some idiotic things, but how do you suspend a guy who has never been charged of wrongdoing for an entire season? The NFL players associations would grieve that (and win) in a heartbeat. They should suspend him for a couple of games, make him do a bunch of charity work for women's causes, etc., and move on.

I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. If he inexplicably does something else like this again, then maybe, but moving him really hurts the franchise for years.



On a side note (and this is no way justifying what he probably did), but did anyone see the two police reports? (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/2010 ... _files.pdf)

The first one was written that night, and it looks like it was written by a toddler.... the second one the next day is MUCH neater. She had to have been EXTREMELY shitfaced to write that sloppy.

I doubt it, pacman jones come to mind? He was never convicted of anything yet was suspended. Even if the league can't, and i happen to think they can, Pittsburgh can because I'm willing to bet he has a moral clause in his contract.

JonnyPistachio

I havent followed this story much, but just saw the police report, but...did anyone read and think the girls statement was a little strange?

Accuser: "I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom & shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not ok, and he then had sex with me. He said it was ok. Then he left without saying anything. I went out of the hallway..."

Did she mention anywhere that she yelled or tried to physically stop him?
I would think that someone would explain a little better/more detail. it just reads a little fishy to me.
Has Roethlisberger said anything about it?

robbyblaylock

untill turning on OTL just now, i completely forgot this wasnt even handled yet. hell, i forgot what the guy did. im also starting to confuse the nfl with the nba.thank god baseball is back and the nhl playoffs are on.

michelleelise

I think having this a-hole work with abused women would be insulting. Unlike other behaviors, sexual proclivities are unchangeable. This is most obvious at the extreme side of the spectrum when you study sexual predators, but it's just as true for what most people consider harmless fetishes.

I keep seeing people ask why someone in his position, surrounded by willing women, would keep choosing to behave this way. It's simple: he gets off on it. He will never not get off on it no matter how much therapy he has. He might learn to control it, at best, but that will be difficult.

I bet this isn't the last time we'll hear about Ben trying to force a woman to have sex with him. I doubt this guy will be around in the NFL in five years, no matter how good he is.

jimed14

blackredyellow wrote:

On a side note (and this is no way justifying what he probably did), but did anyone see the two police reports? (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/2010 ... _files.pdf)

The first one was written that night, and it looks like it was written by a toddler.... the second one the next day is MUCH neater. She had to have been EXTREMELY shitfaced to write that sloppy.

Actually for someone that may be extremely shitfaced, I'm amazed that each and every word is within the lines. Sloppy, yes ... but, if I was drunk, my words would be written all over the paper.

She was probably buzzin' at the least, but remember, I assume she was also very upset which would lead to messy writing as well.

DewieCox

blackredyellow wrote:

There are some idiots in the media saying that he should be suspended for the season... on what grounds? Yes, he's apparently scumbag and has done some idiotic things, but how do you suspend a guy who has never been charged of wrongdoing for an entire season? The NFL players associations would grieve that (and win) in a heartbeat.

I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. .

The NFLPA can appeal Goodells decision, but then it just goes back to Goodell. Whatever he says is gonna stand.

The Steeler could easily get rid of him. They are class, he's a scum bag. He's fairly easily replaceable in such a well run organization. Take his 2 rings away and he's middle of the road, with all the quality qb's around these days.

pjsteelerfan

DewieCox wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

There are some idiots in the media saying that he should be suspended for the season... on what grounds? Yes, he's apparently scumbag and has done some idiotic things, but how do you suspend a guy who has never been charged of wrongdoing for an entire season? The NFL players associations would grieve that (and win) in a heartbeat.

I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. .

The NFLPA can appeal Goodells decision, but then it just goes back to Goodell. Whatever he says is gonna stand.

The Steeler could easily get rid of him. They are class, he's a scum bag. He's fairly easily replaceable in such a well run organization. Take his 2 rings away and he's middle of the road, with all the quality qb's around these days.

Not that I am defending him, but no he is not fairly easily replaceable. There are not a lot of good QB's at all in the NFL right now. The Steelers would be looking at 2-3 losing years in a row, minimum. But, one more incident, and I think he is gone.

And again, while I do think he may be guilty in at least this one, he has not even been charged in any crimes. It has been noted the NFLPA would have a much harder time appealing an NFL suspension than a team one. And it has been noted that Ben will not contest any ruling.

I do think he should be suspended, and he has already lost in the court of public opinion. It is interesting to see what Goodell does, as Ben has not been charged. And waht the NFLPA does about it. I personally think 4 games is too little. He should also be required to take a lot of therapy. And get a common sense agent to follow him around.

But this is also a league where you can kill someone and still be playing the next year or so, Donte Stallworth and Leanord Little. Or torture animals, Mike Vick. Or who knows what else, Pacman Jones.

DewieCox

pjsteelerfan wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

There are some idiots in the media saying that he should be suspended for the season... on what grounds? Yes, he's apparently scumbag and has done some idiotic things, but how do you suspend a guy who has never been charged of wrongdoing for an entire season? The NFL players associations would grieve that (and win) in a heartbeat.

I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. .

The NFLPA can appeal Goodells decision, but then it just goes back to Goodell. Whatever he says is gonna stand.

The Steeler could easily get rid of him. They are class, he's a scum bag. He's fairly easily replaceable in such a well run organization. Take his 2 rings away and he's middle of the road, with all the quality qb's around these days.

Not that I am defending him, but no he is not fairly easily replaceable. There are not a lot of good QB's at all in the NFL right now. The Steelers would be looking at 2-3 losing years in a row, minimum. But, one more incident, and I think he is gone.

They could pretty easily get a suitable replacement in a trade. You can't just cut somebody with so much value. A great run organization such as the Steelers doesn't have to have great QB, they only need good to real good, like Roethlisberger.

The position of QB is the deepest it's ever been in the NFL. After Manning, Brees and Brady, there's a pretty narrow margin from the 4th best to 15th best or so.

Jason P

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I havent followed this story much, but just saw the police report, but...did anyone read and think the girls statement was a little strange?

Accuser: "I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom & shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not ok, and he then had sex with me. He said it was ok. Then he left without saying anything. I went out of the hallway..."

Did she mention anywhere that she yelled or tried to physically stop him?
I would think that someone would explain a little better/more detail. it just reads a little fishy to me.
Has Roethlisberger said anything about it?

I think the fact that Ben immediately hired Stabby Lewis’ lawyer was a big indicator that he did something wrong.

The Rooney family holds a high standard and Ben should be thankful that the NFL is a pass-happy league right now. I do think he is down to his last strike though.

JonnyPistachio

Jason P wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I havent followed this story much, but just saw the police report, but...did anyone read and think the girls statement was a little strange?

Accuser: "I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom & shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not ok, and he then had sex with me. He said it was ok. Then he left without saying anything. I went out of the hallway..."

Did she mention anywhere that she yelled or tried to physically stop him?
I would think that someone would explain a little better/more detail. it just reads a little fishy to me.
Has Roethlisberger said anything about it?

I think the fact that Ben immediately hired Stabby Lewis’ lawyer was a big indicator that he did something wrong.

The Rooney family holds a high standard and Ben should be thankful that the NFL is a pass-happy league right now. I do think he is down to his last strike though.

He did!? woah, that seems like a silly thing to do. :roll: that does make it look a little strange.

aneutronbomb

everybody is absolutely sick about being represented by such a douchenozzel. we've known for years around here what kind of a jerk he is just based of his actions at bars, restaurants, golf courses, events, etc. he's got a long rep of egotism and dirt-baggery. he is known to be rude and offensive to women at all the local night spots. nasty to establishment owners, rude to fans, cheap. but never before was he being charged for takin the ass.

however everyone here in pittsburgh, as im sure you may be aware, is a complete nfl realist. what i mean to say is that ben has like 7 yrs or something left on a $105 mil contract (all numbers are generally based off of my stoney recollections). those numbers make it very very difficult to just walk away from a guy.

as far as on field performance there is a division. some think he can still be a viable (multiple) super bowl winner. and i dont completely doubt that. but most of us (me included) have seen the egotism effect on field play (2 losing seasons post superbowls!?) as well as off field antics and carelessness (motorcycle) directly resulting in poor play. i cant really think that the next season or two are gonna go that smoothly for us. gonna be tough to win the division and the d is really gonna have to step it up.

ultimately here in pittsburgh we have one rule of thumb...

ABIDE BY THE ROONEYS!!!

if they go with ben, i go with ben. if they ditch the guy then i say good goddam riddance!!! if they told me to jump off one of our citys numerous and beautiful bridges, i would do so knowing that they had both the team and the citys best interests in mind, as well as my own best interests

josevolution

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

So???

Is this guy, a rapist, piece of shit???

Or just a piece of shit????

This guy attended the Tiger woods school they are millionare atheletes they are intitled :roll: :roll: ..

I would say Rapist peice of shit fits him really well ...

Ledbetterman10

milarso wrote:

I think the guy is a great quarterback, however, and this is only my opinion, I think he did everything that girl said he did.

I do too man. The whole thing is just creepy. I read the police report (or at least the parts that are online) and it paints the picture of who Ben Roethlisberger is: Am immature, drunken pervert who we all used to see at our high school parties. You know...the guy who would wait for a girl to get really drunk and then kinda "lead her" in a certain direction. Some people grow out that sort of behavior. Others hide it well until they have enough alcohol in them. And once they get that amount of alcohol in them, they wait in a VIP room...alone with their cock out....until a drunken 20 year old is "led back" to the room by his friend. See, in 10th grade Ben had to follow the girls into the woods while they were puking to hook up with them. Now that he's a big star, he has his friends who will do anything to please him do it.

His troubles are just beginning. Fans gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of this sort of thing. They're not going to be as friendly this time around.

Oh yeah...and there's a third "Ben wouldn't let me leave" story that just surfaced: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... 1ben1.html

Horos

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

milarso wrote:

I think the guy is a great quarterback, however, and this is only my opinion, I think he did everything that girl said he did.

I do too man. The whole thing is just creepy. I read the police report (or at least the parts that are online) and it paints the picture of who Ben Roethlisberger is: Am immature, drunken pervert who we all used to see at our high school parties. You know...the guy who would wait for a girl to get really drunk and then kinda "lead her" in a certain direction. Some people grow out that sort of behavior. Others hide it well until they have enough alcohol in them. And once they get that amount of alcohol in them, they wait in a VIP room...alone with their cock out....until a drunken 20 year old is "led back" to the room by his friend. See, in 10th grade Ben had to follow the girls into the woods while they were puking to hook up with them. Now that he's a big star, he has his friends who will do anything to please him do it.

His troubles are just beginning. Fans gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of this sort of thing. They're not going to be as friendly this time around.

Oh yeah...and there's a third "Ben wouldn't let me leave" story that just surfaced: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... 1ben1.html

Being a transplanted Steeler fan I've been watching this thread the last few days. I'm not judging Ben but it does seem more like an alcohol problem. From the new report linked, I have to ask why she would return to his house after the initial incident as it reads in the police report. Granted it looks like he's a drunken pervert but these girls could be something other than victims in this story.

I'm guessing 2-4 game suspension from the NFL. Hope he can get his head on straight and continue to lead the team to SuperBowls.

I too will ABIDE BY THE ROONEYS !!!

mickeyrat

Umm, weren't these two "bodygaurds" actually members of law enforcement? One a state trooper and the other a local cop? Both from PA.? Not to malign the fine men and women who go about their jobs with respect and integrity , but It seems equally fucked up for these two also.


Ben has shown he's an escape artist. Both on and off the field. Lifelong fan of this team and I can't recall EVER hearing of such behaviour directed toward women before this hollow shell of a human being. Man , from my state AND on my team!!! not to excuse anything , but I wonder how much damage was done to his brain from the accident. Wasn't he somewhat humble prior to that?

Ledbetterman10

More fun with Ben:

The thing with this one is that it could completely false (as noted in the article). And even if it's true, there's no accusation of a crime here. But he's better get used to being a punch-line the rest of his career: http://deadspin.com/5520027/a-new-big-b ... e=true&s=i

norm

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

More fun with Ben:

The thing with this one is that it could completely false (as noted in the article). And even if it's true, there's no accusation of a crime here. But he's better get used to being a punch-line the rest of his career: http://deadspin.com/5520027/a-new-big-b ... e=true&s=i

I DEMAND THIS MAN AND HIS WEIRD GRAY PENIS BE SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY.

jimed14

Man, the grey penis story has all the makings of a Ron Mexico long time laugher.

Brain of Josh

What's up ladies???

blackredyellow

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

More fun with Ben:

The thing with this one is that it could completely false (as noted in the article). And even if it's true, there's no accusation of a crime here. But he's better get used to being a punch-line the rest of his career: http://deadspin.com/5520027/a-new-big-b ... e=true&s=i

There are going to be people coming out of the woodwork for the next year with stories/allegations about him... 99% of them probably are bullshit, but he deserves all of the negative attention that he gets. His endorsement paychecks are going to dry up for a while too.