Ben Roethlisberger

milarso
milarso Posts: 1,280
edited October 2010 in All Encompassing Trip
I'm not trying to flame anyone from the City of Champs, and I think the guy is a great quarterback, however, and this is only my opinion, I think he did everything that girl said he did. And I honestly believe that although there were no charges filed, I don't think we've heard the last of this incident.
Again, only my opinion, if something comes out that completely takes away all doubt of my perception of his guilt, I'll be the first to apologize.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    milarso wrote:
    I'm not trying to flame anyone from the City of Champs, and I think the guy is a great quarterback, however, and this is only my opinion, I think he did everything that girl said he did. And I honestly believe that although there were no charges filed, I don't think we've heard the last of this incident.
    Again, only my opinion, if something comes out that completely takes away all doubt of my perception of his guilt, I'll be the first to apologize.

    I'm just wondering why the DA did not proceed with the case. Do you think he will be in Pittsburgh next year? I have my doubts. The Steelers from what I see publicly are one of the best run organizations in pro sports who like to keep their image clean.

    Just my opinion, I still believe your innocent till proven guilty.
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  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    lukin2006 wrote:

    I'm just wondering why the DA did not proceed with the case. Do you think he will be in Pittsburgh next year? I have my doubts. The Steelers from what I see publicly are one of the best run organizations in pro sports who like to keep their image clean.

    Just my opinion, I still believe your innocent till proven guilty.

    From the way it sounded, he just wasn't confident there was enough evidence to prove him guilty in a courtroom. I agree that the Steelers are one of the best run organization, and that would be such an unreal precedence to set if they got rid of him- Roethisberger is the kind of quarterback that any team in need would gladly scoop up. So if you are the Steelers, what do you gain by getting rid of him if he will easily find another job? It would really show that the team is going zero tolerance for shady-dealing players, but I don't know if a stance like that will win Superbowls.

    And I get what you are saying about being innocent until proven guilty. It's a good system, and it's surely in place to keep guys like me from making assumptions that might not be factual.
    But with the only police officer who interviewed Big Ben resigning, and the security video tape in the hallway magically disappearing, I do think more facts will come out. I guess we'll see.
    "The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    He did it...I'm all for innocent til proven guilty, too, and to me his guilt has been proven. Who the hell takes a drunk chick into a bathroom and has his goons guard the door? The answer, a rapist.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    milarso wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:

    I'm just wondering why the DA did not proceed with the case. Do you think he will be in Pittsburgh next year? I have my doubts. The Steelers from what I see publicly are one of the best run organizations in pro sports who like to keep their image clean.

    Just my opinion, I still believe your innocent till proven guilty.

    From the way it sounded, he just wasn't confident there was enough evidence to prove him guilty in a courtroom. I agree that the Steelers are one of the best run organization, and that would be such an unreal precedence to set if they got rid of him- Roethisberger is the kind of quarterback that any team in need would gladly scoop up. So if you are the Steelers, what do you gain by getting rid of him if he will easily find another job? It would really show that the team is going zero tolerance for shady-dealing players, but I don't know if a stance like that will win Superbowls.

    And I get what you are saying about being innocent until proven guilty. It's a good system, and it's surely in place to keep guys like me from making assumptions that might not be factual.
    But with the only police officer who interviewed Big Ben resigning, and the security video tape in the hallway magically disappearing, I do think more facts will come out. I guess we'll see.

    Those are things I did not know, and it now makes me wonder. As for the steelers getting rid of him it will be done before the draft if they do, I'm sure they would have no problem getting a first round pick, maybe Cleveland, they've been accumulating quarterbacks :D.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Wow, it was barely over a year ago, Roethlisberger to Holmes to win the Superbowl ...

    amd_holmes-trophy.jpg


    ... now one has been traded, the other may go and both will be suspended to start the 2010 season.

    Shit's crazy.

    As far as Ben is concerned ... when people are all liquored up, consent in a he said/she said situation becomes such a dicey case to prove. But, it seems with this guy there's a pattern. The line of rape may or may not have been crossed .... but the line of inappropriate douchebag has long been passed.
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  • Heatherj43
    Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    Where there's smoke there's fire and this thing is smoking all over the place.
    Save room for dessert!
  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    He's a scumbag.
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  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,518
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.
    Then when they deal him he'll be a perfect fit for the Cowboys. ;)
    #FHP
  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    jimed14 wrote:
    The line of rape may or may not have been crossed .... but the line of inappropriate douchebag has long been passed.
    Well said.

    Wasn't there also a report that he pulled out his wang in front of everybody at the bar that night too?
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  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    Horos wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.
    Then when they deal him he'll be a perfect fit for the Cowboys. ;)

    We have our share. Can't be greedy you know?
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    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
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  • canoegirl
    canoegirl Posts: 295
    i'm going to have to retire my #7 jersey it's the only football jersey i ever wore besides my brothers in high school, second questionable offense towards a woman, shits not cool, anyone up for a round of golf today, lol
  • canoegirl
    canoegirl Posts: 295
    but then i could look at this from another view, ugh ok i'm undecided and its not football season, its baseball season three strikes your out
  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    Horos wrote:
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.
    Then when they deal him he'll be a perfect fit for the Cowboys. ;)
    Don't you mean the Raiders? :lol:


    Well, the young woman can always go after him in civil court.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Starfall wrote:

    Well, the young woman can always go after him in civil court.

    I doubt it though. The main reason she didn't press charges is that she didn't want her name brought into the public light.

    In a civil case, I don't think there's the same shield that a criminal case has for victims.

    If she brought a civil case, her picture would be all over the internet and any stories of questionable decisions she's made in her own life would be made public so I think things in Georgia will just stay where they're at right now.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jimed14 wrote:
    it seems with this guy there's a pattern.
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    norm wrote:
    jimed14 wrote:
    it seems with this guy there's a pattern.
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.

    I agree, but I think he only gets a 2 game suspension - maybe 4 at tops.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Solat13 wrote:
    norm wrote:
    jimed14 wrote:
    it seems with this guy there's a pattern.
    Flagg wrote:
    He's a scumbag.

    I agree, but I think he only gets a 2 game suspension - maybe 4 at tops.

    most likely...which is sad...he'll come back and win (with pitt or some other team) and his behavior will be forgotten...just like kobe
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    edited April 2010
    There are some idiots in the media saying that he should be suspended for the season... on what grounds? Yes, he's apparently scumbag and has done some idiotic things, but how do you suspend a guy who has never been charged of wrongdoing for an entire season? The NFL players associations would grieve that (and win) in a heartbeat. They should suspend him for a couple of games, make him do a bunch of charity work for women's causes, etc., and move on.

    I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. If he inexplicably does something else like this again, then maybe, but moving him really hurts the franchise for years.



    On a side note (and this is no way justifying what he probably did), but did anyone see the two police reports? (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/2010 ... _files.pdf)

    The first one was written that night, and it looks like it was written by a toddler.... the second one the next day is MUCH neater. She had to have been EXTREMELY shitfaced to write that sloppy.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,946
    So???

    Is this guy, a rapist, piece of shit???

    Or just a piece of shit????
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • dcfaithful
    dcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    DewieCox wrote:
    He did it...I'm all for innocent til proven guilty, too, and to me his guilt has been proven. Who the hell takes a drunk chick into a bathroom and has his goons guard the door? The answer, a rapist.

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