Ben Roethlisberger
milarso
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I'm not trying to flame anyone from the City of Champs, and I think the guy is a great quarterback, however, and this is only my opinion, I think he did everything that girl said he did. And I honestly believe that although there were no charges filed, I don't think we've heard the last of this incident.
Again, only my opinion, if something comes out that completely takes away all doubt of my perception of his guilt, I'll be the first to apologize.
Again, only my opinion, if something comes out that completely takes away all doubt of my perception of his guilt, I'll be the first to apologize.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
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I'm just wondering why the DA did not proceed with the case. Do you think he will be in Pittsburgh next year? I have my doubts. The Steelers from what I see publicly are one of the best run organizations in pro sports who like to keep their image clean.
Just my opinion, I still believe your innocent till proven guilty.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
From the way it sounded, he just wasn't confident there was enough evidence to prove him guilty in a courtroom. I agree that the Steelers are one of the best run organization, and that would be such an unreal precedence to set if they got rid of him- Roethisberger is the kind of quarterback that any team in need would gladly scoop up. So if you are the Steelers, what do you gain by getting rid of him if he will easily find another job? It would really show that the team is going zero tolerance for shady-dealing players, but I don't know if a stance like that will win Superbowls.
And I get what you are saying about being innocent until proven guilty. It's a good system, and it's surely in place to keep guys like me from making assumptions that might not be factual.
But with the only police officer who interviewed Big Ben resigning, and the security video tape in the hallway magically disappearing, I do think more facts will come out. I guess we'll see.
Those are things I did not know, and it now makes me wonder. As for the steelers getting rid of him it will be done before the draft if they do, I'm sure they would have no problem getting a first round pick, maybe Cleveland, they've been accumulating quarterbacks
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
... now one has been traded, the other may go and both will be suspended to start the 2010 season.
Shit's crazy.
As far as Ben is concerned ... when people are all liquored up, consent in a he said/she said situation becomes such a dicey case to prove. But, it seems with this guy there's a pattern. The line of rape may or may not have been crossed .... but the line of inappropriate douchebag has long been passed.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
Wasn't there also a report that he pulled out his wang in front of everybody at the bar that night too?
We have our share. Can't be greedy you know?
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
Well, the young woman can always go after him in civil court.
I doubt it though. The main reason she didn't press charges is that she didn't want her name brought into the public light.
In a civil case, I don't think there's the same shield that a criminal case has for victims.
If she brought a civil case, her picture would be all over the internet and any stories of questionable decisions she's made in her own life would be made public so I think things in Georgia will just stay where they're at right now.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I agree, but I think he only gets a 2 game suspension - maybe 4 at tops.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
most likely...which is sad...he'll come back and win (with pitt or some other team) and his behavior will be forgotten...just like kobe
I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. If he inexplicably does something else like this again, then maybe, but moving him really hurts the franchise for years.
On a side note (and this is no way justifying what he probably did), but did anyone see the two police reports? (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/2010 ... _files.pdf)
The first one was written that night, and it looks like it was written by a toddler.... the second one the next day is MUCH neater. She had to have been EXTREMELY shitfaced to write that sloppy.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Is this guy, a rapist, piece of shit???
Or just a piece of shit????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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I doubt it, pacman jones come to mind? He was never convicted of anything yet was suspended. Even if the league can't, and i happen to think they can, Pittsburgh can because I'm willing to bet he has a moral clause in his contract.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Accuser: "I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom & shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not ok, and he then had sex with me. He said it was ok. Then he left without saying anything. I went out of the hallway..."
Did she mention anywhere that she yelled or tried to physically stop him?
I would think that someone would explain a little better/more detail. it just reads a little fishy to me.
Has Roethlisberger said anything about it?
I keep seeing people ask why someone in his position, surrounded by willing women, would keep choosing to behave this way. It's simple: he gets off on it. He will never not get off on it no matter how much therapy he has. He might learn to control it, at best, but that will be difficult.
I bet this isn't the last time we'll hear about Ben trying to force a woman to have sex with him. I doubt this guy will be around in the NFL in five years, no matter how good he is.
Actually for someone that may be extremely shitfaced, I'm amazed that each and every word is within the lines. Sloppy, yes ... but, if I was drunk, my words would be written all over the paper.
She was probably buzzin' at the least, but remember, I assume she was also very upset which would lead to messy writing as well.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
The NFLPA can appeal Goodells decision, but then it just goes back to Goodell. Whatever he says is gonna stand.
The Steeler could easily get rid of him. They are class, he's a scum bag. He's fairly easily replaceable in such a well run organization. Take his 2 rings away and he's middle of the road, with all the quality qb's around these days.
Not that I am defending him, but no he is not fairly easily replaceable. There are not a lot of good QB's at all in the NFL right now. The Steelers would be looking at 2-3 losing years in a row, minimum. But, one more incident, and I think he is gone.
And again, while I do think he may be guilty in at least this one, he has not even been charged in any crimes. It has been noted the NFLPA would have a much harder time appealing an NFL suspension than a team one. And it has been noted that Ben will not contest any ruling.
I do think he should be suspended, and he has already lost in the court of public opinion. It is interesting to see what Goodell does, as Ben has not been charged. And waht the NFLPA does about it. I personally think 4 games is too little. He should also be required to take a lot of therapy. And get a common sense agent to follow him around.
But this is also a league where you can kill someone and still be playing the next year or so, Donte Stallworth and Leanord Little. Or torture animals, Mike Vick. Or who knows what else, Pacman Jones.
They could pretty easily get a suitable replacement in a trade. You can't just cut somebody with so much value. A great run organization such as the Steelers doesn't have to have great QB, they only need good to real good, like Roethlisberger.
The position of QB is the deepest it's ever been in the NFL. After Manning, Brees and Brady, there's a pretty narrow margin from the 4th best to 15th best or so.
The Rooney family holds a high standard and Ben should be thankful that the NFL is a pass-happy league right now. I do think he is down to his last strike though.
He did!? woah, that seems like a silly thing to do. :roll: that does make it look a little strange.