video of the US killing 2 Reuters employees

JonnyPistachio

I assume there are still a lot of committees investigating other committees that are in charge of figuring out what happened in this event, but... has there been any word on what is happening to the pilots or triggerman??? Are they being tried for these crimes?

badbrains

After 7+years of occupation, I'm still trying to figure who exactly are the terrorists... :roll:

haffajappa

Jesus FUCKING christ.
what a bunch of goons.

My blind grandmother could have told you those poor people did NOT have AK47s....

haffajappa

redrock wrote:

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

bear?

Yes bear. Do you need a dictionary? How would you spell it?

wow... really? REALLY?
BEHR maybe... we're going to paint the world. Mint green with sage accents maybe.

g under p

haffajappa wrote:

Jesus FUCKING christ.
what a bunch of goons.

My blind grandmother could have told you those poor people did NOT have AK47s....

Sadly it appears it was more of a situation of they wanted or needed them to have anything that LOOKED like rpg or AK47's. This has happened before and it'll happen again.

In wars civilians are amongst those who US forces seek out, it can be an indiscriminate force but our decision to shoot & bomb to kill happens way too fast for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac6jFHI8 ... re=related

Peace

haffajappa

g under p wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Jesus FUCKING christ.
what a bunch of goons.

My blind grandmother could have told you those poor people did NOT have AK47s....

Sadly it appears it was more of a situation of they wanted or needed them to have anything that LOOKED like rpg or AK47's. This has happened before and it'll happen again.

In wars civilians are amongst those who US forces seek out, it can be an indiscriminate force but our decision to shoot & bomb to kill happens way too fast for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac6jFHI8 ... re=related

Peace

I know, they sounded like restless, vicious dogs just waiting for the command.
War junkies or what, i don't know. Maybe they have been there too long to remember the value of life.

Drowned Out

badbrains wrote:

After 7+years of occupation, I'm still trying to figure who exactly are the terrorists... :roll:

"You can always tell the terrorist by his cologne and the watch on his wrist"

In other words...the suits behind this war are the terrorists, THEY are just as guilty as these brain washed cowboy drones.

brandon10

rebornFixer wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

I can gaurantee you one thing. If some fucking assholes came from across the earth and were doing that in my country(for 8 years!!!!), I sure as hell would become a terrorist.

Well, for me personally, I cannot imagine choosing to murder civilians (or my own people), regardless of what happened. The mindset required to fly a plane into a building and kill thousands eludes me, as does that required to blow yourself up in a crowded market full of Iraqis. I think the idea of fighting back against an occupation is not as clear cut, which is maybe what you are trying to say. Take the Iraq example. There are people there who really just want the Americans gone ... And then there are militants from other nations murdering Iraqis in the name of religious ideology. This latter group are the terrorists, IMHO. The Iraqis themselves have fought against this latter group.

The Americans have created both groups in Iraq. Those that have chosen to pick up a weapon to defend their homes and those that have came from other countries to create terror and destruction have done so because of the Americans being there.

I have absolutely no respect for the religious terrorists that set off car bombs and suicide bombs amongst their own people. But in my post I was not reffering to the shia and sunnis fighting amongst themselves. And I think you knew that.

The sad part is that the American's have fucked things up so much that they can not distinguish between these groups. Everyone who is in anyway hostile in Iraq is labeled a terrorist.

Pepe Silvia

they also never released the footage from the reuters camera, which they seized

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT


Military can't find its copy of Iraq killing video
BY PAULINE JELINEK AND ANNE FLAHERTY
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. military said Tuesday it can't find its copy of a video that shows two employees of the Reuters news agency being killed by Army helicopters in 2007, after a leaked version circulated the Internet and renewed questions about the attack.

Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, said that the military has not been able to locate the video within its files after being asked to authenticate the version available online.

"We had no reason to hold the video at (Central Command), nor did the higher headquarters in Iraq," Hanzlik said in an e-mailed statement. "We're attempting to retrieve the video from the unit who did the investigation."

It's the latest twist in a three-year saga that raises questions about the rules of engagement in battle and the safety of journalists sent to cover wars.

Advocates for increased government transparency also have questioned why the military withheld the video from the public, even though Reuters requested a copy through the Freedom of Information Act after watching it in an off-the-record meeting with the military in 2007.

The video includes audio of troops calling to "light 'em up!" and referring to the men as "dead bastards." An internal investigation concluded that the troops had acted appropriately, despite having mistaken the camera equipment for weapons.

"Clearly, it is unflattering to the military, but that is not justification for withholding it," said Steven Aftergood, an expert on government secrecy with the Federation of American Scientists.

The July 12, 2007, attack has been reported before. But Web site Wikileaks.org on Monday posted the video shot from one of the Apache helicopters, putting it on "collateralmurder.com" site.

Military officials said they believed the video was authentic, but that they had to compare the images and audio with their own video before confirming it publicly.

When pressed Tuesday on why the military had not released the video when other documents related to the investigation were made public, officials said they were still looking for it and weren't entirely sure where it was.

The video was taken by the tactical unit that operated the helicopters. The unit has only been identified as a "1st Air Cavalry Brigade," which reported to the Multinational Division in Baghdad.

TriumphantAngel

just disgusting. first things that come to my head are..

1. why did the apache pilots sound so desperate to kill those people. they wanted to. they were begging for an excuse to fire.

2. how do blind people who don't know what a camera or an AK47 look like (especially with all the technology they must have available on the apaches), get a job as pilots, flying apache helicopters in the United States Military?

2, i hope those animals (because that's exactly what they are), go and live on their own, in the middle of nowhere when they come back to the U.S. because they are not the sort of people that any reasonable person would ever want to be in the vicinity of. nut jobs. anyone defending these freaks, go live next door to them and take your families. see how you feel about the situation then.

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time. sickening.

i understand that a mistake may be made but that was no mistake. this is not a war. they are just armed thugs and murderers.

this is an absolute disgrace. get the hell out of there.

Pepe Silvia

TriumphantAngel wrote:

just disgusting. first things that come to my head are..

1. why did the apache pilots sound so desperate to kill those people. they wanted to. they were begging for an excuse to fire.

2. how do blind people who don't know what a camera or an AK47 look like (especially with all the technology they must have available on the apaches), get a job as pilots, flying apache helicopters in the United States Military?

2, i hope those animals (because that's exactly what they are), go and live on their own, in the middle of nowhere when they come back to the U.S. because they are not the sort of people that any reasonable person would ever want to be in the vicinity of. nut jobs. anyone defending these freaks, go live next door to them and take your families. see how you feel about the situation then.

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time. sickening.

i understand that a mistake may be made but that was no mistake. this is not a war. they are just armed thugs and murderers.

this is an absolute disgrace. get the hell out of there.

Byrnzie

TriumphantAngel wrote:

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time.

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0YFaLN_LFs

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DeszyFWL_g

haffajappa

TriumphantAngel wrote:

2, i hope those animals (because that's exactly what they are), go and live on their own, in the middle of nowhere when they come back to the U.S. because they are not the sort of people that any reasonable person would ever want to be in the vicinity of. nut jobs. anyone defending these freaks, go live next door to them and take your families. see how you feel about the situation then.

calling them ''animals'' is an offense to animals.

dimitrispearljam

Pepe Silvia wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

just disgusting. first things that come to my head are..

1. why did the apache pilots sound so desperate to kill those people. they wanted to. they were begging for an excuse to fire.

2. how do blind people who don't know what a camera or an AK47 look like (especially with all the technology they must have available on the apaches), get a job as pilots, flying apache helicopters in the United States Military?

2, i hope those animals (because that's exactly what they are), go and live on their own, in the middle of nowhere when they come back to the U.S. because they are not the sort of people that any reasonable person would ever want to be in the vicinity of. nut jobs. anyone defending these freaks, go live next door to them and take your families. see how you feel about the situation then.

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time. sickening.

i understand that a mistake may be made but that was no mistake. this is not a war. they are just armed thugs and murderers.

this is an absolute disgrace. get the hell out of there.

+1

g under p

Byrnzie wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time.

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0YFaLN_LFs

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DeszyFWL_g

Can you just imagine living in this country for a year with all this going on around you? We're supposed to be liberators yet continue to occupy this country for 7+ years now when will this EVER END.

Peace

Poor Mad Sailor

TriumphantAngel wrote:

just disgusting. first things that come to my head are..

1. why did the apache pilots sound so desperate to kill those people. they wanted to. they were begging for an excuse to first

Apologies if someone has already posted this but Social Psychologist Philip Zimbardo has some enlightening views on this sort of behaviour. The following link is definitely worth a look it's around 23 mins and well worth your time:

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbard ... _evil.html

Poor Mad Sailor

In the words of System Of A Down "Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?"

TriumphantAngel

Byrnzie wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

3. the only reason this has come to light, is because it involved two Reuters news staff and Reuters finally got the information though. that is the only reason we are hearing about it. you have to wonder how much of a regular occurance this is and we don't hear about it because they are just killing worthless brown people right? i bet it happens all the time.

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0YFaLN_LFs

Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DeszyFWL_g

thanks Byrnzie. i'll check these out.

badbrains

Poor Mad Sailor wrote:

In the words of System Of A Down "Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?"

I'll raise you APC-swinging to the rhythm of the new world order....count bodies like sheep.....

Pepe Silvia

badbrains wrote:

Poor Mad Sailor wrote:

In the words of System Of A Down "Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?"

I'll raise you APC-swinging to the rhythm of the new world order....count bodies like sheep.....

i see yer system of a down and apc and raise you an old school pink floyd

what do you get for pretending the danger's not real?
meek and obedient you follow the leader
down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel
what a surprise
a look of terminal shock in your eyes
now things are really what they seem
no, this is no bad dream

or

did you see the frightened ones?
did you hear the falling bombs?
did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath the clear blue sky?

:ugeek: