The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

hopethatuchoke

breath123 wrote:

good point. remember that a-hole daniel quinn who had a similar thread about the price of the ONE
Borgata show on the old board?

The tickets were $100 in 2005 which was really ridiculous. They were also impossible to get. The 10 Club had very few pairs available. Then there was a ticket debacle with Philly tickets. In response to both of those issues....we were promised something Big, Bold and Free. We all know how that ended up.

OceansMagnet

DewieCox wrote:

bhigh901 wrote:

I am sorry, but not too many people on here really care if $92.05 is too much for you to afford to see them.. The ticket price is the least of my concerns in my travels to see the band... I'd gladly pay $192.05 to see them in Nashville rather than spend a small fortune to travel to see them.. It's personal economics.. if you can't afford it, either quit wasting money on drugs and bullshit, or learn to f'ng save... Or just get a better job, or better yet.. If you are struggling that hard financially then you probably need to prioritize and you shouldn't be spending ANY money on a concert ticket... And as far as if it is greed on their part.. So what...

Holy cow... This guy has it figured out. Nobody has used this pointless argument yet, in 50 pages. The assumption that everybody complaining about prices is on drugs is a new one.

Ahem.. First off, I did not assume EVERYBODY was on drugs.. and the argument isn't pointless.. I can safely assume that a pj fan or 2 is rolling a fattie while whining about the ticket prices... Secondly, I wouldn't pay $92.05 for nosebleed seats at MSG, but I don't think it is too much if someone is willing to pay it... Why all the whining? It is just so obnoxious to go to a band's forum and call them greedy assholes. And if the extra 20 to 30 dollars they are charging for MSG is THAT big of a hit to your budget then you probably can't afford to go in the first place.. I understand the frustrations of financial struggle.. but what good does coming on here and pissing and moaning about it do you? It creates a negative environment, and the bands art and energy have always been so positive.. It just doesn't really help anyone to spread all this anger..

OceansMagnet

theoceansmademe wrote:

bhigh901 wrote:

I am sorry, but not too many people on here really care if $92.05 is too much for you to afford to see them.. The ticket price is the least of my concerns in my travels to see the band... I'd gladly pay $192.05 to see them in Nashville rather than spend a small fortune to travel to see them.. It's personal economics.. if you can't afford it, either quit wasting money on drugs and bullshit, or learn to f'ng save... Or just get a better job, or better yet.. If you are struggling that hard financially then you probably need to prioritize and you shouldn't be spending ANY money on a concert ticket... And as far as if it is greed on their part.. So what... Yeah they are going after the dollars lately.. but they are also very generous in spending our dollars on political and social causes that make the world a better place... They have been in the trenches for 20 years and have obviously earned the place to charge it.. If $92.05 were too much then the shows would not have sold out... I am glad that they haven't tried to test the market to see how much is too much...

In the trenches for 20 years? Laugh at that one.

When on the road they stay at 4 Seasons, far from the trenches.

The Four Seasons while away from your home and the ones you love can be just as trying as sleeping on a bus..

hopethatuchoke

bhigh901 wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

bhigh901 wrote:

I am sorry, but not too many people on here really care if $92.05 is too much for you to afford to see them.. The ticket price is the least of my concerns in my travels to see the band... I'd gladly pay $192.05 to see them in Nashville rather than spend a small fortune to travel to see them.. It's personal economics.. if you can't afford it, either quit wasting money on drugs and bullshit, or learn to f'ng save... Or just get a better job, or better yet.. If you are struggling that hard financially then you probably need to prioritize and you shouldn't be spending ANY money on a concert ticket... And as far as if it is greed on their part.. So what... Yeah they are going after the dollars lately.. but they are also very generous in spending our dollars on political and social causes that make the world a better place... They have been in the trenches for 20 years and have obviously earned the place to charge it.. If $92.05 were too much then the shows would not have sold out... I am glad that they haven't tried to test the market to see how much is too much...

In the trenches for 20 years? Laugh at that one.

When on the road they stay at 4 Seasons, far from the trenches.

The Four Seasons while away from your home and the ones you love can be just as trying as sleeping on a bus..

LOL. So the extra $20 per ticket will help heal the touring heartache?

breath123

hopethatuchoke wrote:

breath123 wrote:

good point. remember that a-hole daniel quinn who had a similar thread about the price of the ONE
Borgata show on the old board?

The tickets were $100 in 2005 which was really ridiculous. They were also impossible to get. The 10 Club had very few pairs available. Then there was a ticket debacle with Philly tickets. In response to both of those issues....we were promised something Big, Bold and Free. We all know how that ended up.

point is, it was 1 show and not a precident setter.

OceansMagnet

In the trenches for 20 years? Laugh at that one.

When on the road they stay at 4 Seasons, far from the trenches.[/quote]


The Four Seasons while away from your home and the ones you love can be just as trying as sleeping on a bus..[/quote]


LOL. So the extra $20 per ticket will help heal the touring heartache?[/quote]

No, The mini tours help heal the touring heartache... Who cares what they spend the extra $20 on??? It's THEIR money to do what they want...

force-10

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Very good points, I tried to give some insight on the "$92.05 is to much" thread based on my experiences working at 2 venues you may be familar w/ as I see you are from upstate NY. I worked mostly security at SPAC and TU Center for many years and tried to give the people who where saying it was clearly GREED by PJ that has caused this dramatic increase in PJ tickets, when they never take into account the very dramatic actual increase in just security at the venues, especially for bands the quality of PJ. It is also not economically sound to try compare consumer goods with what it cost for a band to tour, or for venue to put on events as the cost of just security and insurance has increased far more than inflation, especially post 9/11 and that is a fact. I am by no means a PJ apologist or sheep(I have issue w/ some of their political statements as it undermines our troops,never voted for a Bush just for the record) or whatever some are saying, my points are based on my experiences and knowledge of atleast part of the business. I know everyone has a right to their opinion and thats fine I guess.

These are two (security and insurance) almost certain facts. How some unsatisfied members made a good job on avoiding this comment is beyond my imagination.

Funny how people try to make you look as a sheep when you don´t agree that this band has gone to hell. My personal opinion? People that think they are too special and everyone else is a moron.

theoceansmademe

force-10 wrote:

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Very good points, I tried to give some insight on the "$92.05 is to much" thread based on my experiences working at 2 venues you may be familar w/ as I see you are from upstate NY. I worked mostly security at SPAC and TU Center for many years and tried to give the people who where saying it was clearly GREED by PJ that has caused this dramatic increase in PJ tickets, when they never take into account the very dramatic actual increase in just security at the venues, especially for bands the quality of PJ. It is also not economically sound to try compare consumer goods with what it cost for a band to tour, or for venue to put on events as the cost of just security and insurance has increased far more than inflation, especially post 9/11 and that is a fact. I am by no means a PJ apologist or sheep(I have issue w/ some of their political statements as it undermines our troops,never voted for a Bush just for the record) or whatever some are saying, my points are based on my experiences and knowledge of atleast part of the business. I know everyone has a right to their opinion and thats fine I guess.

These are two (security and insurance) almost certain facts. How some unsatisfied members made a good job on avoiding this comment is beyond my imagination.

Funny how people try to make you look as a sheep when you don´t agree that this band has gone to hell. My personal opinion? People that think they are too special and everyone else is a moron.

2003 was after 9/11, tickets were still $40.

Don't blame the 100% increase on that event.

Gern Blansten

some people like to bitch about everything....just miserable people

polaris_x

i think after 50 pages i have it figured out ...

what it boils down to is this: have the members of pearl jam gotten green disease? ... really, the argument of the actual ticket price without knowing specifics of who is getting paid how much and what not is pointless as everyone can speculate all they want ... it sounds like the disgruntled here are pretty much saying that the band members have gone greedy and no longer stand for the principles they once did ...

we can get into the details of all their charity work and the fundraisers they take part in but really - if after all this time you feel that the band is no longer who they claimed to be then there really is no discussion here as we don't know what they are taking in ... and what is fair for a stone gossard to be making year over year for creating music and playing shows for us?

force-10

theoceansmademe wrote:

force-10 wrote:

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Very good points, I tried to give some insight on the "$92.05 is to much" thread based on my experiences working at 2 venues you may be familar w/ as I see you are from upstate NY. I worked mostly security at SPAC and TU Center for many years and tried to give the people who where saying it was clearly GREED by PJ that has caused this dramatic increase in PJ tickets, when they never take into account the very dramatic actual increase in just security at the venues, especially for bands the quality of PJ. It is also not economically sound to try compare consumer goods with what it cost for a band to tour, or for venue to put on events as the cost of just security and insurance has increased far more than inflation, especially post 9/11 and that is a fact. I am by no means a PJ apologist or sheep(I have issue w/ some of their political statements as it undermines our troops,never voted for a Bush just for the record) or whatever some are saying, my points are based on my experiences and knowledge of atleast part of the business. I know everyone has a right to their opinion and thats fine I guess.

These are two (security and insurance) almost certain facts. How some unsatisfied members made a good job on avoiding this comment is beyond my imagination.

Funny how people try to make you look as a sheep when you don´t agree that this band has gone to hell. My personal opinion? People that think they are too special and everyone else is a moron.

2003 was after 9/11, tickets were still $40.

Don't blame the 100% increase on that event.

Who said 9/11 is the reason behind 100% of increase?

Besides, look how much they will be spending on that reforestation in washington. What? You want proof and have analysts making sure this is true? I would not be amazed to find out some of you would like that, too.

theoceansmademe

Gern Blansten wrote:

some people like to bitch about everything....just miserable people

I'm not bitching and I'm not a miserable person.

I love Pearl Jams music just as much as you and those who are trying to defend this enormous price increase.

The only post that has some legitimacy is PJ's split with SONY and increasing their tour cost. But like another poster illustrated the extra $40 per ticket is bringing in an additional $800,000 per show. I know this isn't pure profit but I can't imagine SONY laying out this much for each show.

I don't agree with increases in security, insurance, fuel, or their charitable contributions. One's giving should never be passed along to a consumer.

I challenge you to listen to Green Disease with some of the thoughts offered in this post on your mind.

For me it's simple I question the motives of the band. They had a clear message with this song and at least through my eyes and few others here they are now practicing what they preached against.

It's a disease,... and they're all green
It emanates from their being
A satiation,.. with occupation

Just because the Stones, Police, and The Boss charge more for their tickets at the end of their careers doesn't make it right. PJ need not do this.

Tell the captain
'This boats not safe
And we're drowning.'
Turns out
He's the one making waves

Hey, captain Ed your ticket increases are out of hand. I believed you that greed is wrong, but you are really killing the message charging me twice as much for the same show 7 years later.

stranger34

theoceansmademe wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

some people like to bitch about everything....just miserable people

I'm not bitching and I'm not a miserable person.

I love Pearl Jams music just as much as you and those who are trying to defend this enormous price increase.

The only post that has some legitimacy is PJ's split with SONY and increasing their tour cost. But like another poster illustrated the extra $40 per ticket is bringing in an additional $800,000 per show. I know this isn't pure profit but I can't imagine SONY laying out this much for each show.

I don't agree with increases in security, insurance, fuel, or their charitable contributions. One's giving should never be passed along to a consumer.

I challenge you to listen to Green Disease with some of the thoughts offered in this post on your mind.

For me it's simple I question the motives of the band. They had a clear message with this song and at least through my eyes and few others here they are now practicing what they preached against.

It's a disease,... and they're all green
It emanates from their being
A satiation,.. with occupation

Just because the Stones, Police, and The Boss charge more for their tickets at the end of their careers doesn't make it right. PJ need not do this.

Tell the captain
'This boats not safe
And we're drowning.'
Turns out
He's the one making waves

Hey, captain Ed your ticket increases are out of hand. I believed you that greed is wrong, but you are really killing the message charging me twice as much for the same show 7 years later.

if he keeps it up he'll become a man we'll soon forget

vedder_soup

the point i keep on bring up over and over and over again keeps on getting ignored.

From somebody who is not from the US, you guys get a great deal on tickets. I paid $90 australian back in 2003 to see pearl jam. While i cant tell you the exchange rate back then, on todays exchange rate, it would be about $85US.
For any international arena sized band, you are looking at paying that price all of the time. For bigger bands, it will be more. Last year, PJ public sale tickets were $123AUD, so maybe $115USD, at the same time, Crippleback, sorry nickelback were touring and charging $140
Prices in Europe and the UK are not too much different.
perhaps ticket prices in the US are starting to come into line with the rest of the world.

you have to ask yourself the question, do you think you are getting your moneys worth??? for $92 you get 2.5 hours of pearl jam, 45 mins of a support act. that is well less than $1 a minute. worth it in my books

2-feign-reluctance

God, make it go away! This is their living! Complain all you want but you're still buying.

JOEJOEJOE

Concert tickets for a band of PJ's calibur are not really based on cost...they are more based on current market conditions. Livenation has forever changed the concert industry by getting bands to agree to higher ticket prices.

Splitting from Sony has nothing to do with the band's touring costs. For the most part, only "baby" bands get tour support from their record labels. Labels would provide tour support because most bands couldn't afford to go onthe road without it. The amount of tour support is charged to the band's unrecouped advance fromthe label, so if a band eventually earns some $$, they end up paying the support back to the label.

satansbed

they charge more or less the same as green day

Ledbetterman10

satansbed wrote:

they charge more or less the same as green day

No, they charge more than Green Day. Ticket prices for Green Day's August concert in Camden have ticket prices of $35, $50, $60, $70, $85 or $20 for a lawn ticket. That's how bands should do it....charge less for crappy seats....unlike Pearl Jam who will charge $85 for the back of the lawn.


http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/02004 ... orcatid=60

polaris_x

sooo ... if the band has gotten green disease and are bunch of sellouts - why the heck are you guys still going to shows and supporting these sell outs? ... it's a kin to me griping about walmart and how bad they are and still shopping there ... you want the band to have principles - maybe you should too?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

And, as Polaris has put it so succinctly... the 'whiners' need to finally put their money where their mouth is.

You go on and on about principles... we've heard it for 50 pages. Get some yourself. Actually refrain from supporting the band. Don't buy tickets and, please, for the sake of the sheeple... stop nauseating us with the incessant whining. Seriously- it's pathetic. And as well... stop doing so under the guise of liberating minds from the spell we're all under- unable to recognize the great injustice we've been done because we're simple.

The consistent whiners one here are the people that drive me crazy- and this is what they need to know. The sheeple are on to you. You make up the following list of people:

I golf with you- you think the rough is too unfair.
I go to concerts with you- you think the setlist was the shits.
I go to work with you- you think the job sucks.
I say I like a song- you tell me I shouldn't and provide me reasons why.
Blah blah blah.

The whiners are just unhappy people and if PJ charged $60... they'd find a reason to bitch. It's officially now comical. Looking forward to partying with you guys someday- man... that would be a hoot! Didn't your Moms hug you enough?