The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

theoceansmademe

Gern Blansten wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

Oh yeah, with the economic downturn venues are charging more. Not good business.

When the band preaches against greed in their music and then turns around and becomes greedy, well yes they to own an explanation.

I will never shut up.

uh....what competition do the venues have that keeps them honest? Pearl Jam will tour and they will sell out. The venue will get what it wants.

Do you have any business sense? Do you understand supply and demand? The supply of concert arenas is fairly small. It's not like PJ can come to Noblesville Indiana and get one venue to undercut another.

They aren't playing Noblesville.

Last time I checked NYC, Boston, and D.C. have more than one venue.

mickeyrat

theoceansmademe wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

Oh yeah, with the economic downturn venues are charging more. Not good business.

When the band preaches against greed in their music and then turns around and becomes greedy, well yes they to own an explanation.

I will never shut up.

uh....what competition do the venues have that keeps them honest? Pearl Jam will tour and they will sell out. The venue will get what it wants.

Do you have any business sense? Do you understand supply and demand? The supply of concert arenas is fairly small. It's not like PJ can come to Noblesville Indiana and get one venue to undercut another.

They aren't playing Noblesville.

Last time I checked NYC, Boston, and D.C. have more than one venue.

Yes they are. Indy show is actually in Noblesville.

Gern Blansten

theoceansmademe wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

Oh yeah, with the economic downturn venues are charging more. Not good business.

When the band preaches against greed in their music and then turns around and becomes greedy, well yes they to own an explanation.

I will never shut up.

uh....what competition do the venues have that keeps them honest? Pearl Jam will tour and they will sell out. The venue will get what it wants.

Do you have any business sense? Do you understand supply and demand? The supply of concert arenas is fairly small. It's not like PJ can come to Noblesville Indiana and get one venue to undercut another.

They aren't playing Noblesville.

Last time I checked NYC, Boston, and D.C. have more than one venue.

yes and are those venues all available on the day that works for PJ?

come on man....you're wrong....just stop

drsluggo

mickeyrat wrote:

I haven't read this whole , nor am I going to , but has anyone mentioned how they are no longer with Sony? You know labels foot the bill for many things on a tour. Now it's all on PJ to take care of EVERYTHING.

Wouldnt they only foot the bill for some costs if they were getting some of the money back from the shows? Or obviously a huge chunk of records sales -- Sony wasn't paying part of the shows without getting $$ back either from the shows themselves or increased record sales.

So as Stone said... they used to get like $1.5 per CD sold and now they get $5... so wouldn't that negate the need to jack up prices 100% in 7 years?

mickeyrat

drsluggo wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

I haven't read this whole , nor am I going to , but has anyone mentioned how they are no longer with Sony? You know labels foot the bill for many things on a tour. Now it's all on PJ to take care of EVERYTHING.

Wouldnt they only foot the bill for some costs if they were getting some of the money back from the shows? Or obviously a huge chunk of records sales -- Sony wasn't paying part of the shows without getting $$ back either from the shows themselves or increased record sales.

So as Stone said... they used to get like $1.5 per CD sold and now they get $5... so wouldn't that negate the need to jack up prices 100% in 7 years?

Yes , Sony certainly would get a return on the investment of funding a tour. Namely in the long term aspect of CD sales. And a significant cut of the gate.And any new fans brought in TODAY , Sony still gets that same deal from the back catalouge.

I have no direct knowledge of course, but I would guess that the low prices we've seen previously(with Sony) were more like "loss leaders" in a grocery store. Keep price low ,even lose money on it, on one product to draw people in and hit them in another area like Cds. And they don't even need to hit us there either. When we get with this band , we're IN!!!


As to why and all that shit we will never get an answer to, only thing I can say is "because they can"

These guys still make awesome music, are socially/environmentally responsible,help us to become aware of certain issues we might not otherwise learn about.
Tix prices as they are , are now a part of the package that is PJ. Agree with them or disagree with them.(and I do on some things) but fuck , I"M IN!!!! The music is just too good.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I was in on this thread early on PJ's side. It's now 40 pages long. I'm still on PJ's side. I cannot profess to have read all the posts, but I know this:

1. There are people that actually feel they are significant enough to have PJ justify to them why they have set the prices the way they have (one fool actually suggests a protest... LOL).

2. There are people who feel PJ should charge tickets "just a little bit above" what they charged in 1998 so as to more closely resemble actual inflation.

3. These people need to come home from the fair. I think Van Gerden (?) said it best a few posts ago when he asked one whining member to "shut up".

I think this entire thread needs to be deleted because it so sadly reflects how weak a society we have become. Instead of being happy that the band is touring- countless rumour threads in eager anticipation of a tour- these complainers then quickly forget how eager they were to see the band because they have to pay to see them. I think that some people should be embarrassed they have spoken (I'm certain these are the types that do not tip in restaurants- "Nobody tips me in the flower shop!").

Who wants to hang out with you? Complainer. Whiner. Poor you- once again... 'The Man' has beaten you down. And you're such a good person.

The people that have complained about ticket prices obviously need something bigger to complain about. Do you need a list of items that might suit this bill?

For Gawd's sakes... seriously... get a life. "$10 more than Dave Matthews... sheesh... I'm not going now!" Please go... and go to Boston so you have a chance to get puked on... then you can complain!

If any of the 'complaining types' have downloaded some music for free and listen to it without having paid the artist for their work... shame on you. Seriously... shame on you.

bonv2

Did somebody mention that the muppets are coming. I would definitely pay $92 to see the muppets.

mickeyrat

bonv2 wrote:

Did somebody mention that the muppets are coming. I would definitely pay $92 to see the muppets.

This has to be the best first post EVER.

William Wallace

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Who wants to hang out with you? Complainer. Whiner. Poor you- once again... 'The Man' has beaten you down. And you're such a good person.

Who wants to hang out with you?

The people (most of them) you talk shit about are able to reflect a situation and talk about it.
They don't like that PJ once had the high priority of low ticket prices, but now don't care about it anymore.
These people, unlike a lot of the fanboys here, are able to questions some moves the band/ the management made the last couple of years.
I personylle like people who show constructive criticism way more than guys like you who leave the thinking to others.

keepnfaith44

Gern Blansten wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

vedder_soup wrote:

while i cannot remember an argument as big as this in 08, it might have happened...

one thing that needs to be pointed out is How much have tickets gone up since 08???

i cant say for ticketbastard, but 10c tickets for the garden went up a HUGE $4 a pair in 2 years

We may have hit the ceiling with ticket prices, but you can't sit here read the thread and not agree since 2003 prices have skyrocketed.

Here is what I have paid for 10c tickets:
2003-$40 each
2006-$57 each
2008-$74 each
2009-$83 each
2010-$85 each

So, tickets prices have double in a 7 years. Why?

Using an inflation calculator that $40 ticket today should cost $46.

Don't blame the $45 increase on ticketmaster or live nation.

Again the core beliefs of what this band once stood for is quickly eroding right from under their own feet.

I really wish they would address this issue.

Maybe a stop raising the ticket prices campaign is needed.

why do you feel like they owe you an explanation?

I find it interesting that people like you make these observations yet you have absolutely no idea what the venues are charging the band to rent the facility, no idea what the band pays for travel/hotel/food for its crew now versus then, etc.

just shut up

Well said!

drsluggo

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The people that have complained about ticket prices obviously need something bigger to complain about. Do you need a list of items that might suit this bill?

For Gawd's sakes... seriously... get a life. "$10 more than Dave Matthews... sheesh... I'm not going now!" Please go... and go to Boston so you have a chance to get puked on... then you can complain!

If any of the 'complaining types' have downloaded some music for free and listen to it without having paid the artist for their work... shame on you. Seriously... shame on you.

You realize that your post here was angrier than most of the complainers on this board?

I've said it a few times in this thread that I think PJ shows are worth it - I also think they have raised tickets at a rate higher that I ever could have expected. I'm not even complaining about the prices - more just the people in here making such ridiculous arguments.

And, yes, every person on here has something bigger to complain about. But I would venture to guess that they aren't going to complain about their personal problems on a Pearl Jam board. If they did they'd have people flaming them for posting their personal problems on said Pearl Jam board.

There are people on both sides here who are being unreasonable, but come on... telling people to shut up is not any better than ANYTHING being said on this thread.

Either reply with some actual reasoning or just let it go. This thread SHOULD die... there's nothing more that can be said about the ticket prices at this point, so everyone should just move on because no matter how much we post it wont change prices.

But it won't die when people blindly post 'shut up' or 'they can do whatever they want so just don't go to the shows' or whatever else is in here to that effect. It just brings this whole thread around full circle yet again.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

William Wallace...

Constructive criticism? Where is it? The dribble that is being spewed forth amounts to nothing more than selfish, flat-out complaining. How do you even begin to think that the people bitter about paying 10 extra dollars for their tickets are on the cutting edge of intellectual reflection? The complainers I speak about do not value PJ... they value their pocketbooks and wish PJ could price their exceptional work at a much lower price for their savings ("Can you please keep doing rock band at minimum wage? I mean, come on. don't you remember when you used to? You bunch of sellouts.").

PJ has set their ticket prices the way they have for reasons they do not have to justify. You, as a consumer, have a choice when choosing how to spend your money. If you feel PJ has overpriced themselves, then go see Phish if you think that's better value.

One more time put a different way... PJ has evolved. An artist does not enter the art scene charging a ridiculous amount of cash for art from an unproven entity. As their fame and legend grows, they begin to demand more of a price for their work- especially if they can get it. They are still lower than what they could get. They are more than fair considering the market.

Why should PJ keep their prices lower than contemporaries (and even subpar ones at that)? Yes, once they were angry and challenged status quo (Ticketmaster). They have grown. Income from produced music does not pay as much as it used to- free downloads (which you no doubtedly have a ton of) have impacted the band's earning potential. And, if you are one of the greatest bands in the world... you should make a lot of money! A LOT of money! A reward for being on top of your trade. I'm not going to begrudge them of that.

DewieCox

The "too much" crowd is definitely putting forth a good argument, while the other side has a lotta mindless bleating.

breath123

I just realized that Metallica, one of the bands who's prices have been mentioned are about 300 shows into the death magnetic tour and they're already talking about another leg. logic dictates that the longer the schedule the more cost effective a tour is.

Pearl Jam probably won't crack 100 shows when they are done with Backspacer, so it's going to be more expensive. I know the number of shows is an issue for some of you.

is it really fair to say to the band that they HAVE to do a monster tour every time out? For those of us who have seen them on major tours we know eds voice craps out about halfway through a leg. Plus family has taken a priority and since they have the same crew from the start, I would assume the payroll is hefty.

This is the way it is. Accept it and move on, or don't

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten wrote:

theoceansmademe wrote:

vedder_soup wrote:

while i cannot remember an argument as big as this in 08, it might have happened...

one thing that needs to be pointed out is How much have tickets gone up since 08???

i cant say for ticketbastard, but 10c tickets for the garden went up a HUGE $4 a pair in 2 years

We may have hit the ceiling with ticket prices, but you can't sit here read the thread and not agree since 2003 prices have skyrocketed.

Here is what I have paid for 10c tickets:
2003-$40 each
2006-$57 each
2008-$74 each
2009-$83 each
2010-$85 each

So, tickets prices have double in a 7 years. Why?

Using an inflation calculator that $40 ticket today should cost $46.

Don't blame the $45 increase on ticketmaster or live nation.

Again the core beliefs of what this band once stood for is quickly eroding right from under their own feet.

I really wish they would address this issue.

Maybe a stop raising the ticket prices campaign is needed.

why do you feel like they owe you an explanation?

I find it interesting that people like you make these observations yet you have absolutely no idea what the venues are charging the band to rent the facility, no idea what the band pays for travel/hotel/food for its crew now versus then, etc.

just shut up

I find it interesting that people like you get so bent out of shape by people calling the band out on their ticket prices. I don't think anyone thinks that Pearl Jam owes an explanation....because the only explanation is greed. PJ tickets have increased by over 100% in the past 7 years....and that's fine. If I was in charge of a corporation like Pearl Jam....I'd milk it for all it's worth too. But you sound ridiculous when you say things like "you have absolutely no idea what the venues are charging the band to rent the facility, no idea what the band pays for travel/hotel/food for its crew now versus then, etc." Well, while I don't know the specifics about prices like that....I have to imagine that Green Day is charged the same amount as Pearl Jam for travel/hotel/food/renting the venue and yet they charge about $30 less for tickets.

stranger34

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

William Wallace...

Constructive criticism? Where is it? The dribble that is being spewed forth amounts to nothing more than selfish, flat-out complaining. How do you even begin to think that the people bitter about paying 10 extra dollars for their tickets are on the cutting edge of intellectual reflection? The complainers I speak about do not value PJ... they value their pocketbooks and wish PJ could price their exceptional work at a much lower price for their savings ("Can you please keep doing rock band at minimum wage? I mean, come on. don't you remember when you used to? You bunch of sellouts.").

PJ has set their ticket prices the way they have for reasons they do not have to justify. You, as a consumer, have a choice when choosing how to spend your money. If you feel PJ has overpriced themselves, then go see Phish if you think that's better value.

One more time put a different way... PJ has evolved. An artist does not enter the art scene charging a ridiculous amount of cash for art from an unproven entity. As their fame and legend grows, they begin to demand more of a price for their work- especially if they can get it. They are still lower than what they could get. They are more than fair considering the market.

Why should PJ keep their prices lower than contemporaries (and even subpar ones at that)? Yes, once they were angry and challenged status quo (Ticketmaster). They have grown. Income from produced music does not pay as much as it used to- free downloads (which you no doubtedly have a ton of) have impacted the band's earning potential. And, if you are one of the greatest bands in the world... you should make a lot of money! A LOT of money! A reward for being on top of your trade. I'm not going to begrudge them of that.

If you described this career path for Pearl Jam to Eddie Vedder for most of his time fronting the band, you would be the one told to shut up

jamminpearls

120-130 a pair is were it should be imo

stranger34

breath123 wrote:

I just realized that Metallica, one of the bands who's prices have been mentioned are about 300 shows into the death magnetic tour and they're already talking about another leg. logic dictates that the longer the schedule the more cost effective a tour is.

Pearl Jam probably won't crack 100 shows when they are done with Backspacer, so it's going to be more expensive. I know the number of shows is an issue for some of you.

is it really fair to say to the band that they HAVE to do a monster tour every time out? For those of us who have seen them on major tours we know eds voice craps out about halfway through a leg. Plus family has taken a priority and since they have the same crew from the start, I would assume the payroll is hefty.

This is the way it is. Accept it and move on, or don't

Another pet peeve of the sheeple

They argue all the business school BS and then they post something like this.

If I give 10 tennis lessons a week at $50 an hour and all my customers are happy - is it logical that I can do 5 tennis lessons at $100 an hour instead and expect the selected customers not only to be happy to be graced with my presence - but also more than glad to pay double what they used to?

force-10

stranger34 wrote:

Another pet peeve of the sheeple

They argue all the business school BS and then they post something like this.

If I give 10 tennis lessons a week at $50 an hour and all my customers are happy - is it logical that I can do 5 tennis lessons at $100 an hour instead and expect the selected customers not only to be happy to be graced with my presence - but also more than glad to pay double what they used to?

This is obvious stranger. when this happens it´s the consumer that takes the hit.

Maybe as a tennis trainer your expenses don´t change and then definitely you will be ripping off your costumers. But in live entertainment business, it´s not even close to being the same. The lower amount of shows you put on on a tour, the more expensive each indivdual show is for the entertainment corporation, thus the more they have to charge for tickets, specially if they are not selling out 50 to 70 thousand seat venues.

Another thing nobody has to explain shit to us about ticket prices. Do you go into McDonalds and ask why if you buy a menu in the US, and then go to guatemala and the same menu is more expensive?

theoceansmademe

uh....what competition do the venues have that keeps them honest? Pearl Jam will tour and they will sell out. The venue will get what it wants.

Do you have any business sense? Do you understand supply and demand? The supply of concert arenas is fairly small. It's not like PJ can come to Noblesville Indiana and get one venue to undercut another.[/quote]

They aren't playing Noblesville.

Last time I checked NYC, Boston, and D.C. have more than one venue.[/quote]

yes and are those venues all available on the day that works for PJ?

come on man....you're wrong....just stop[/quote]

Yes, I was wrong about Noblesville.

To answer your question about other venues

Verizon Center- open date 5/13
Merriweather Post- open
Warner Theatre-open
DAR Constitution Hall-open
National Stadium-open
RFK-open
Fed Ex Field- open
Patriot Center-open
Wolf Trap-open
D.C. Mall-open

so I guess Jiffy Lube Live wasn't their only option.