I can't wait for Universal Healthcare...

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Brandon....I'm embarrassed for all three of you. Actually four of you. And I'm sure everyone on this board knows who the fourth is.
    I was referring to this...just did not feel like quoting everything ok?
    and I for one did not choose a war.....why don't you answer the question....
    you or the others that act as if four people on here started the fucking War!
    What are you doing about it?
    i protested but i gave up because the people do not have the power. the sooner you realize that the better off you will be...besides, i did not want to be on any bush era gestapo watch lists...

    why did you go on such a rant about the tea party when clearly cosmo's post had nothing to do with it? why not just quote brandon instead of looking foolish? your post made me embarrassed for you too...
    Trying to kill two birds with one stone ..........looking foolish to you guys means nothing to me.......are you guys the posting gestapo!
    I feel embarrassed for you guys because you have not lived a life long enough to have sensible views ....I would bet a lot of you have not raised a family and do not realize how much your out look will change once you have experienced the shit that will come your way as you get older.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    g under p wrote:

    BTW I once had health insurance, had knee surgery and my provider found a way to not pay for that operation due to what they called pre existing condition. A partially torn cartilage however that's the reason I was having the operation. The horror stories will continue, sadly. :cry:

    Peace

    Under Universal Healthcare this is obviously one concept we don't have ... pre-existing condition.
    So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    :clap::clap::clap: Bravo You have Your style and the TB's might like it but you speak the truth and that's the way it is. The military complex and the warmongering state of mind that drives this country over the NEED to provide basic health care for it's citizens. I'll ask the question again has there been a foreign country that has gone bankrupt from providing it's citizens universal health care?

    BTW I once had health insurance, had knee surgery and my provider found a way to not pay for that operation due to what they called pre existing condition. A partially torn cartilage however that's the reason I was having the operation. The horror stories will continue, sadly. :cry:

    Peace
    yep, if that was an old injury and your insurance switched they will not pay for the surgery, its a pre-existing condition. was it an injury or was it a degenerative change that caused the tear? all these tea baggers say that government will get between you and your doctor in making decisions, but the whole point of medicine is to start conservative and try non-surgical interventions and exhaust them before resorting to surgery. what your situation tells me is that insurance would have you believe that surgery should be done at the time of injury, which is the insurance company dictationg your care and getting between you and your doctor. for orthopedic issues like a torn meniscus there are several non-surgical interventions that are cheeper that should be tried first. any physician will tell you that.. if you are rushed in for knee surgery you run the risk of things like early onset arthritis down the road..which would give you another "pre-existing condition" but that is a topic for another thread....

    The terrible thing about this was that Mega Health Insurance approved the surgery before hand and knew the cost but STILL had the power to not pay for the surgery. There wasn't a damn thing I could do other than refused to pay the $5000+ bill till they agreed that I could pay only $1100. I was paying them $330 a month 10 years ago, I don't know what the people who are self employed are going to do in this country. Yes we could pay 4-$500 a month but still these insurance companies can and WILL find a way to deny YOU coverage.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    aerial wrote:
    I feel embarrassed for you guys because you have not lived a life long enough to have sensible views ....I would bet a lot of you have not raised a family and do not realize how much your out look will change once you have experienced the shit that will come your way as you get older.....


    i am 34 years old. i would appreciate you not condecending to me and talking to me like i am a little kid. i have been through a lot and i have sensible views. i do not have a family because i have chosen to not have one yet. i am fighting for what is best for my country and its people. i am fighting for my generation and for the ones that come after me. to be quite honest, i don't really care about your generation, you all will be taken care of by your government. my generation is screwed, we will not have social security and at this point we may not have the strong medicare like you will be getting. i do not need people like you spreading a bunch of BS that has already been debunked like death panels. it is irresponsible and it only makes you look uninformed and foolish. my outlook might change some when i have kids, but my principles will never change. they are galvanized and they are who i am.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    aerial wrote:
    [I feel embarrassed for you guys because you have not lived a life long enough to have sensible views ....I would bet a lot of you have not raised a family and do not realize how much your out look will change once you have experienced the shit that will come your way as you get older.....

    aerial you love to make assumptions so for future reference I'll turn 50 next week and I've raised a 13 year old for the last 10 years by myself. So please end speaking nonsense through assumptions and I'm sure I've experienced far more than you for you to say something foolish like this.

    Let's face it's been said before from people outside the USA why we can't get health care done it's needed and it has to get done. Some say we have the best health care in the world but what good is it if one can't afford it or get axis to it.

    peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    aerial wrote:
    Brandon....I'm embarrassed for all three of you. Actually four of you. And I'm sure everyone on this board knows who the fourth is.
    I was referring to this...just did not feel like quoting everything ok?
    and I for one did not choose a war.....why don't you answer the question....
    you or the others that act as if four people on here started the fucking War!
    What are you doing about it?



    Don't feed the troll.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    unsung wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Brandon....I'm embarrassed for all three of you. Actually four of you. And I'm sure everyone on this board knows who the fourth is.
    I was referring to this...just did not feel like quoting everything ok?
    and I for one did not choose a war.....why don't you answer the question....
    you or the others that act as if four people on here started the fucking War!
    What are you doing about it?



    Don't feed the troll.
    care to comment on anything else from the last few pages?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    aerial wrote:
    I feel embarrassed for you guys because you have not lived a life long enough to have sensible views ....I would bet a lot of you have not raised a family and do not realize how much your out look will change once you have experienced the shit that will come your way as you get older.....

    Assumptions, assumptions.... :roll: From a health point of view, my daughter will get anything she needs with universal healthcare here. I don't have to worry a bit. As I get even older than I am, I won't have to worry whether my pension money will be able to pay for my medical bills, my potential operations (heart bypass maybe?), etc.

    So don't feel embarrassed. I've lived long enough, I'm raising a family, been faced with lots of shit (see previous posts ref my husband as an example) and guess what? My outlook on universal heathcare is still the same. Wouldn't do without.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    unsung wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    I have an anecdotal experience that goes to show how fucked up our access to Health Care is...
    I have been a voluenteer crew member for the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer 3-Day Walk and Avon 2-Day Walk for Breast Cancer Research for the past 8 years. A teammate of mine (Jim) and his 2 daughters and their husbands have been involved for the same amount of time. They voluenteered because his wife, Jackie (their mom) was fighting for her life, due to the very disease were are trying to fight.
    Jim worked for (and retired from) an Health Care Insurance Company.
    When Jackie was first diagnosed, the insurance kicked in and there weren't any problems and she went into remission for a while. When the cancer re-appeared, all of a sudden, the insurance company (whom he had worked for in a magement position for 30+ years) denied further treatment. They used their savings and his pension and took out a second on their home to pay for the treatment. They not only had to fight the horrible disease... they had to fight the insurance company as well. This should not happen to law abiding, taxpaying American citizens who paid their premiums for the insurance they were told would be there.
    Jackie passed away 3 years ago and Jim had to continue to fight the very company he had worked for all of those years. Lawyers got involved and the company finally re-imbursed part of the costs for Jackie's treatments... but none of the hospice care and end of life comfort costs.
    ...
    This shouldn't be the norm. All that talk about 'Death Panels' and shit.... the Death Panels are already at YOUR insurance companies. They decide whether you are a liability or not to their shareholders. It sickens me that this happens to people like Jim and Jackie in our country.
    Anyway, we dedicate our Pit Stop at the San Diego 3-Day Walk in Jackie's memory.
    ...
    Those of you whom are against Health Care reform... I hope you never have to face the realities of the system in place. The system is fucked up because its primary concern in the bottom line, not your best interests. This has been going on for way to long in our country and doing nothing about it isn't going to fix it.


    And people wonder why a guy will grab a gun and shoot up the place.
    There will be Committees deciding who is illegible for what .... Same as the insurance death panels...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    aerial wrote:
    There will be Committees deciding who is illegible for what .... Same as the insurance death panels...
    source please??? and no not from a tea party website...have you read the bill?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    brandon10 wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:


    So who should I be mad at ? NEWS FLASH !!!! The dems have had control of the House and Senate for the last 4 years. There are also laws in place for people who knowingly hire illegals. What the hell do you think ICE does :roll: and illlegals are not the only ones who can be treated at the emergency room and billed later. But they are the ones who for the most part don't pay their bills.That doesn't mean they are slaves either.
    You can call yourself a puppet all you want,but im sure as hell not.

    I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:
    I guess you missed this reference also
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    aerial wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:


    So who should I be mad at ? NEWS FLASH !!!! The dems have had control of the House and Senate for the last 4 years. There are also laws in place for people who knowingly hire illegals. What the hell do you think ICE does :roll: and illlegals are not the only ones who can be treated at the emergency room and billed later. But they are the ones who for the most part don't pay their bills.That doesn't mean they are slaves either.
    You can call yourself a puppet all you want,but im sure as hell not.

    I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:
    I guess you missed this reference also
    did you answer my question?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:

    I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops
    I guess you missed this reference also


    did you answer my question?
    It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:

    I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops
    I guess you missed this reference also


    did you answer my question?
    It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
    what are you talking about?? :?

    you have made it clear that the only reason you oppose it is because your tea party told you to. your side has been DESTROYED in this thread, when presented with facts and figures and even experiences of those in other countries you conveniently ignore all of that. if you will not continue the debate i am done here....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Maybe the Earl Grey Scrotumface supporters can opt out of the UHC with a tax deduction and that way they dont have to worry about waiting in line for the substandard care they are so afraid of. Maybe they can have their own healthcare insurance and clinics ! They can have a BIF (Balls in Face) clinic in every city that caters just to them.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    unsung wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:

    I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:


    Do you ever offer any useful information or are all of your posts just to try to degrade other people?

    Seems like troll behavior to me.
    that's hilarious. you calling someone else a troll? really, that's too funny.

    how useful was the information you provided to g under p the other day when you insinuated he was a jerk- off because *gosh*, he does not remove his hat when the anthem is played? g under p of all people? one of the most respectful posters here.

    and weren't you the one in the cheney thread the other day having a big waaah about the the double standards on this board and calling them pathetic?

    tsk tsk unsung.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.

    the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.

    electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.

    the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.

    electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
    Your right.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    aerial wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.

    the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.

    electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
    Your right.....

    Yes he maybe right and I agree and you seem to agree so why do some Tea baggers are so up in arms in such a short time of this administration? What will happen to you in 2 more years burning down the White House?

    peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    g under p wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    :clap::clap::clap: Bravo You have Your style and the TB's might like it but you speak the truth and that's the way it is. The military complex and the warmongering state of mind that drives this country over the NEED to provide basic health care for it's citizens. I'll ask the question again has there been a foreign country that has gone bankrupt from providing it's citizens universal health care?

    BTW I once had health insurance, had knee surgery and my provider found a way to not pay for that operation due to what they called pre existing condition. A partially torn cartilage however that's the reason I was having the operation. The horror stories will continue, sadly. :cry:

    Peace
    yep, if that was an old injury and your insurance switched they will not pay for the surgery, its a pre-existing condition. was it an injury or was it a degenerative change that caused the tear? all these tea baggers say that government will get between you and your doctor in making decisions, but the whole point of medicine is to start conservative and try non-surgical interventions and exhaust them before resorting to surgery. what your situation tells me is that insurance would have you believe that surgery should be done at the time of injury, which is the insurance company dictationg your care and getting between you and your doctor. for orthopedic issues like a torn meniscus there are several non-surgical interventions that are cheeper that should be tried first. any physician will tell you that.. if you are rushed in for knee surgery you run the risk of things like early onset arthritis down the road..which would give you another "pre-existing condition" but that is a topic for another thread....

    The terrible thing about this was that Mega Health Insurance approved the surgery before hand and knew the cost but STILL had the power to not pay for the surgery. There wasn't a damn thing I could do other than refused to pay the $5000+ bill till they agreed that I could pay only $1100. I was paying them $330 a month 10 years ago, I don't know what the people who are self employed are going to do in this country. Yes we could pay 4-$500 a month but still these insurance companies can and WILL find a way to deny YOU coverage.

    Peace

    I had a $5,000 dollar bill from the hospital from an illness i had years ago with no insurance. I've been paying $75 dollars a month and it's almost paid off. I don't see any problem with that. If i wanted to i could give them $10 a month and there isn't anything they could do about it. I know that pre existing conditions is a problem with insurance companies I just don't believe we need the government to take over to fix it.

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