So who should I be mad at ? NEWS FLASH !!!! The dems have had control of the House and Senate for the last 4 years. There are also laws in place for people who knowingly hire illegals. What the hell do you think ICE does :roll: and illlegals are not the only ones who can be treated at the emergency room and billed later. But they are the ones who for the most part don't pay their bills.That doesn't mean they are slaves either.
You can call yourself a puppet all you want,but im sure as hell not.
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:
I guess you missed this reference also
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
So who should I be mad at ? NEWS FLASH !!!! The dems have had control of the House and Senate for the last 4 years. There are also laws in place for people who knowingly hire illegals. What the hell do you think ICE does :roll: and illlegals are not the only ones who can be treated at the emergency room and billed later. But they are the ones who for the most part don't pay their bills.That doesn't mean they are slaves either.
You can call yourself a puppet all you want,but im sure as hell not.
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:
I guess you missed this reference also
did you answer my question?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops
I guess you missed this reference also
did you answer my question?
It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops
I guess you missed this reference also
did you answer my question?
It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
what are you talking about?? :?
you have made it clear that the only reason you oppose it is because your tea party told you to. your side has been DESTROYED in this thread, when presented with facts and figures and even experiences of those in other countries you conveniently ignore all of that. if you will not continue the debate i am done here....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Maybe the Earl Grey Scrotumface supporters can opt out of the UHC with a tax deduction and that way they dont have to worry about waiting in line for the substandard care they are so afraid of. Maybe they can have their own healthcare insurance and clinics ! They can have a BIF (Balls in Face) clinic in every city that caters just to them.
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops:
Do you ever offer any useful information or are all of your posts just to try to degrade other people?
Seems like troll behavior to me.
that's hilarious. you calling someone else a troll? really, that's too funny.
how useful was the information you provided to g under p the other day when you insinuated he was a jerk- off because *gosh*, he does not remove his hat when the anthem is played? g under p of all people? one of the most respectful posters here.
and weren't you the one in the cheney thread the other day having a big waaah about the the double standards on this board and calling them pathetic?
i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.
the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.
electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.
the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.
electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
Your right.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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i think its madness to suggest politicians on either side of the aisle are gonna be pushing universal healthcare. anyone who hopes politicians are gonna care about us regular folk, may want to check to see they havent ingested lsd by accident.
the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.
electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
Your right.....
Yes he maybe right and I agree and you seem to agree so why do some Tea baggers are so up in arms in such a short time of this administration? What will happen to you in 2 more years burning down the White House?
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Bravo You have Your style and the TB's might like it but you speak the truth and that's the way it is. The military complex and the warmongering state of mind that drives this country over the NEED to provide basic health care for it's citizens. I'll ask the question again has there been a foreign country that has gone bankrupt from providing it's citizens universal health care?
BTW I once had health insurance, had knee surgery and my provider found a way to not pay for that operation due to what they called pre existing condition. A partially torn cartilage however that's the reason I was having the operation. The horror stories will continue, sadly.
Peace
yep, if that was an old injury and your insurance switched they will not pay for the surgery, its a pre-existing condition. was it an injury or was it a degenerative change that caused the tear? all these tea baggers say that government will get between you and your doctor in making decisions, but the whole point of medicine is to start conservative and try non-surgical interventions and exhaust them before resorting to surgery. what your situation tells me is that insurance would have you believe that surgery should be done at the time of injury, which is the insurance company dictationg your care and getting between you and your doctor. for orthopedic issues like a torn meniscus there are several non-surgical interventions that are cheeper that should be tried first. any physician will tell you that.. if you are rushed in for knee surgery you run the risk of things like early onset arthritis down the road..which would give you another "pre-existing condition" but that is a topic for another thread....
The terrible thing about this was that Mega Health Insurance approved the surgery before hand and knew the cost but STILL had the power to not pay for the surgery. There wasn't a damn thing I could do other than refused to pay the $5000+ bill till they agreed that I could pay only $1100. I was paying them $330 a month 10 years ago, I don't know what the people who are self employed are going to do in this country. Yes we could pay 4-$500 a month but still these insurance companies can and WILL find a way to deny YOU coverage.
Peace
I had a $5,000 dollar bill from the hospital from an illness i had years ago with no insurance. I've been paying $75 dollars a month and it's almost paid off. I don't see any problem with that. If i wanted to i could give them $10 a month and there isn't anything they could do about it. I know that pre existing conditions is a problem with insurance companies I just don't believe we need the government to take over to fix it.
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LOL .....Classic
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Isn't anybody concerned about the tax hikes that will come along with universal health care? If we are paying a 40 to 45 % tax, plus social security, then if your paying into 401K,what are you left with? Maybe 50% of your check? To me that is scarey. That will be a very altering lifestyle to many many americans who are already struggling to get by. Not to mention....if you take more money out of the peoples pockets, it can't help the economy much.
Why is everybody against UHC so upset? You guys won. Whatever bill gets passed will be a serious piece of crap and it won't be anything even close to UHC. Am I right?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
I'm really surprised that you are not too embarrassed to come back and post in your own thread. But like most teabaggers you haven't a clue how bad you look. I'm embarrassed for you. :oops
I guess you missed this reference also
did you answer my question?
It’s common sense...oh shit I forget your so smart (you claim) you have none! Do you really think it will be a free for all...just bop on in and no one is going to ask any questions? They’ll just be singing “come on in healthcare is all free ...what ever you need Baby!
You just completely proved my point with this post.Thanks. Because that is exactly what it's like in Canada. And I don't need to read it in an article from some biased website to know this. I currently reside there.
But you go ahead and keep posting about healthcare like you know what you are talking about.
Isn't anybody concerned about the tax hikes that will come along with universal health care? If we are paying a 40 to 45 % tax, plus social security, then if your paying into 401K,what are you left with? Maybe 50% of your check? To me that is scarey. That will be a very altering lifestyle to many many americans who are already struggling to get by. Not to mention....if you take more money out of the peoples pockets, it can't help the economy much.
Stop spending so much on defense and you won't need to hike taxes to pay for healthcare. Hell, you could even cover massages and pre/post natal home care with just part of the money spent in Iraq.
I feel embarrassed for you guys because you have not lived a life long enough to have sensible views ....I would bet a lot of you have not raised a family and do not realize how much your out look will change once you have experienced the shit that will come your way as you get older.....
Assumptions, assumptions.... :roll: From a health point of view, my daughter will get anything she needs with universal healthcare here. I don't have to worry a bit. As I get even older than I am, I won't have to worry whether my pension money will be able to pay for my medical bills, my potential operations (heart bypass maybe?), etc.
So don't feel embarrassed. I've lived long enough, I'm raising a family, been faced with lots of shit (see previous posts ref my husband as an example) and guess what? My outlook on universal heathcare is still the same. Wouldn't do without.
its a shame the blinkered people on here won't read that post Redrock... its evidently clear from countries like Norway, Switxerland, Sweden, France, UK, Canada, etc that UHC is a working social strategy that caters for their respective citizens. The US's reluctance to change to a more beneficial system simply highlights what dinosaurs they are.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
The US's reluctance to change to a more beneficial system simply highlights what dinosaurs they are.
It would seem that one of the arguments against is that it 'impinges on their personal freedom'. :?
When will they see that currently, the US spend more on healthcare than any industrialised country (they use less services though, which means these cost a lot more); the US has a high infant mortality rate (more than Europe); Americans have a life expectancy lower than Cuba? Now tell me that has nothing to do with a lot of people not having access to full and comprehensive healthcare throughout their lives.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tracy Pierce, 37, lived a full life. He grew up with family and faith. He went to a Catholic school, got married, had a son, and he even had the car of his dreams. It was the perfect life.
"He's been strong. He has," his wife, Julie Pierce, said.
Two years ago, Tracy Pierce's life changed dramatically when he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.
"I have no treatment. Three months has gone by and I haven't had any treatment," Tracy Pierce told KMBC's Jim Flink in May 2005.
When Flink talked to Tracy Pierce, his cancer was attacking his body. Despite being fully insured, every treatment his doctors sought for him was denied by his insurance provider. First-Health Coventry deemed the treatments were either not a medical necessity or experimental.
"I don't know what else to do but just wait," Tracy Pierce said last May.
As he waited, his doctors appealed again and again, including a 27-page appeal spelling out that Tracy Pierce would die without care. Coventry dismissed each request.
:thumbup: to the awesome system you have there thread starter! :thumbup:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Isn't anybody concerned about the tax hikes that will come along with universal health care? If we are paying a 40 to 45 % tax, plus social security, then if your paying into 401K,what are you left with? Maybe 50% of your check? To me that is scarey. That will be a very altering lifestyle to many many americans who are already struggling to get by. Not to mention....if you take more money out of the peoples pockets, it can't help the economy much.
Stop spending so much on defense and you won't need to hike taxes to pay for healthcare. Hell, you could even cover massages and pre/post natal home care with just part of the money spent in Iraq.
This is true....but they won't.
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that's hilarious. you calling someone else a troll? really, that's too funny.
how useful was the information you provided to g under p the other day when you insinuated he was a jerk- off because *gosh*, he does not remove his hat when the anthem is played? g under p of all people? one of the most respectful posters here.
and weren't you the one in the cheney thread the other day having a big waaah about the the double standards on this board and calling them pathetic?
tsk tsk unsung.
I never said I was against it. I said I wanted strict controls on who gets it and that it not just be open to anyone. Yet I get grouped with whomever because instead of discussing my points it is the typical way out for that person (not referring to g under p).
So if you had read this thread you would have seen that.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Tracy Pierce, 37, lived a full life. He grew up with family and faith. He went to a Catholic school, got married, had a son, and he even had the car of his dreams. It was the perfect life.
"He's been strong. He has," his wife, Julie Pierce, said.
Two years ago, Tracy Pierce's life changed dramatically when he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.
"I have no treatment. Three months has gone by and I haven't had any treatment," Tracy Pierce told KMBC's Jim Flink in May 2005.
When Flink talked to Tracy Pierce, his cancer was attacking his body. Despite being fully insured, every treatment his doctors sought for him was denied by his insurance provider. First-Health Coventry deemed the treatments were either not a medical necessity or experimental.
"I don't know what else to do but just wait," Tracy Pierce said last May.
As he waited, his doctors appealed again and again, including a 27-page appeal spelling out that Tracy Pierce would die without care. Coventry dismissed each request.
:thumbup: to the awesome system you have there thread starter! :thumbup:
does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Why are you calling me out? Once again I never said I'm against it, I just want controls.
does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.
no one defended the original posters story that he posted. All of us UK'ers on here said it was bad and that it was not a reflection on the NHS we have here. Overall the vast majority of our hospitals are excellent and serve their purpose.
but what we take exception to is a man who probably doesnt have a passport using that one bad example of an English hospital to show how the US proposed UHC system would be an utter disaster. You know what he was saying, he was being a doom merchant and posted a story to fit his cause. But it was backed up by his own hot air. No substance whatsoever... just some sensationalist spoon fed by Fox verbal diarrhea.
if the OP is suggesting it takes one rotten apple to to spoil the barrel, then i suggest he looks in the mirror as his nationalist diatribe about a country he probable couldnt point out on a map suggest that he is speaking for ALL americans. he isnt... just as that one hospital isnt speaking for ALL of them in the UK. But any sensible person would know this.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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Since the comment was brought up about reducing the military budget to pay for this I'll say that I don't have the answer. I do have a suggestion since people are good at pointing fingers at us non-liberals.
Call your Senators and Representatives and ask them why they continue to vote for funding and expanding this war. The Democrats have been in control of Congress for four years and continue to fund this war. Obama himself has not only broken a campaign promise to end the war but he himself voted as a Senator to continue funding it.
So I think it is time to stop the blaming of Bush if you ever want to move on and gets things accomplished.
Since the comment was brought up about reducing the military budget to pay for this I'll say that I don't have the answer. I do have a suggestion since people are good at pointing fingers at us non-liberals.
Call your Senators and Representatives and ask them why they continue to vote for funding and expanding this war. The Democrats have been in control of Congress for four years and continue to fund this war. Obama himself has not only broken a campaign promise to end the war but he himself voted as a Senator to continue funding it.
So I think it is time to stop the blaming of Bush if you ever want to move on and gets things accomplished.
again you are blaming obama for the military budget. your side would destroy him and call him "weak on defense" and "soft on terrorism" and perhaps the republicans two favorite accusations of "not supporting the troops" and "providing comfort to the enemy" if he were to stop funding the wars. it is a political fight he is not going to take up right now because he does not need those attacks from your side in addition to all of the baseless accusations already leveled against his health care plan...suppose war funding were to be dropped. would you support universal health care then?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
does anyone want to try to defend this or just read it and ignore it like usual? this bullshit should not happen in this or any country...profits over people...hooray!! unsung? prfctlfts? aerial? anyone???
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.
maybe defend was a poor choice of words...how about can anyone make an excuse for that or justify that?
cancer treatments have long been used and covered by insurance, so why are these treatments now considered experimental or unecessary??
he might have had better luck if he had Joe Blow Insurance Company or something...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you have made it clear that the only reason you oppose it is because your tea party told you to. your side has been DESTROYED in this thread, when presented with facts and figures and even experiences of those in other countries you conveniently ignore all of that. if you will not continue the debate i am done here....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
how useful was the information you provided to g under p the other day when you insinuated he was a jerk- off because *gosh*, he does not remove his hat when the anthem is played? g under p of all people? one of the most respectful posters here.
and weren't you the one in the cheney thread the other day having a big waaah about the the double standards on this board and calling them pathetic?
tsk tsk unsung.
the only way universal healthcare will be installed, will be if the people demand it.
electoral politics lost its appeal in my mind, long ago. it sickens me, that anyone would trouble themselves worrying about who gets in office, when in reality both parties are sell outs and their only allegiance is to money and big buisness. i aint gonna trouble myself worrying about them.
Yes he maybe right and I agree and you seem to agree so why do some Tea baggers are so up in arms in such a short time of this administration? What will happen to you in 2 more years burning down the White House?
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I had a $5,000 dollar bill from the hospital from an illness i had years ago with no insurance. I've been paying $75 dollars a month and it's almost paid off. I don't see any problem with that. If i wanted to i could give them $10 a month and there isn't anything they could do about it. I know that pre existing conditions is a problem with insurance companies I just don't believe we need the government to take over to fix it.
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And a gold medal in hockey.....congrats. But they can keep their taxes
"With our thoughts we make the world"
You just completely proved my point with this post.Thanks. Because that is exactly what it's like in Canada. And I don't need to read it in an article from some biased website to know this. I currently reside there.
But you go ahead and keep posting about healthcare like you know what you are talking about.
Stop spending so much on defense and you won't need to hike taxes to pay for healthcare. Hell, you could even cover massages and pre/post natal home care with just part of the money spent in Iraq.
its a shame the blinkered people on here won't read that post Redrock... its evidently clear from countries like Norway, Switxerland, Sweden, France, UK, Canada, etc that UHC is a working social strategy that caters for their respective citizens. The US's reluctance to change to a more beneficial system simply highlights what dinosaurs they are.
It would seem that one of the arguments against is that it 'impinges on their personal freedom'. :?
When will they see that currently, the US spend more on healthcare than any industrialised country (they use less services though, which means these cost a lot more); the US has a high infant mortality rate (more than Europe); Americans have a life expectancy lower than Cuba? Now tell me that has nothing to do with a lot of people not having access to full and comprehensive healthcare throughout their lives.
Man our health system is beyond the point of no return. If I ever get really really sick, overseas life has to be an option I seriously think about.
"He's been strong. He has," his wife, Julie Pierce, said.
Two years ago, Tracy Pierce's life changed dramatically when he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.
"I have no treatment. Three months has gone by and I haven't had any treatment," Tracy Pierce told KMBC's Jim Flink in May 2005.
When Flink talked to Tracy Pierce, his cancer was attacking his body. Despite being fully insured, every treatment his doctors sought for him was denied by his insurance provider. First-Health Coventry deemed the treatments were either not a medical necessity or experimental.
"I don't know what else to do but just wait," Tracy Pierce said last May.
As he waited, his doctors appealed again and again, including a 27-page appeal spelling out that Tracy Pierce would die without care. Coventry dismissed each request.
:thumbup: to the awesome system you have there thread starter! :thumbup:
This is true....but they won't.
I never said I was against it. I said I wanted strict controls on who gets it and that it not just be open to anyone. Yet I get grouped with whomever because instead of discussing my points it is the typical way out for that person (not referring to g under p).
So if you had read this thread you would have seen that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
How could anyone defend that? How could anyone defend the story about the hospital either?
No one can, they are both awful.
no one defended the original posters story that he posted. All of us UK'ers on here said it was bad and that it was not a reflection on the NHS we have here. Overall the vast majority of our hospitals are excellent and serve their purpose.
but what we take exception to is a man who probably doesnt have a passport using that one bad example of an English hospital to show how the US proposed UHC system would be an utter disaster. You know what he was saying, he was being a doom merchant and posted a story to fit his cause. But it was backed up by his own hot air. No substance whatsoever... just some sensationalist spoon fed by Fox verbal diarrhea.
if the OP is suggesting it takes one rotten apple to to spoil the barrel, then i suggest he looks in the mirror as his nationalist diatribe about a country he probable couldnt point out on a map suggest that he is speaking for ALL americans. he isnt... just as that one hospital isnt speaking for ALL of them in the UK. But any sensible person would know this.
Call your Senators and Representatives and ask them why they continue to vote for funding and expanding this war. The Democrats have been in control of Congress for four years and continue to fund this war. Obama himself has not only broken a campaign promise to end the war but he himself voted as a Senator to continue funding it.
So I think it is time to stop the blaming of Bush if you ever want to move on and gets things accomplished.
I didn't say anyone did...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
cancer treatments have long been used and covered by insurance, so why are these treatments now considered experimental or unecessary??
he might have had better luck if he had Joe Blow Insurance Company or something...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."