I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head
Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:
I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.
Peace
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I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head
Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:
I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.
Peace
Thank you for answering that for me
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll:
I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head
Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:
I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.
Peace
Thank you for answering that for me
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll:
Well also some of the players who have taken steriods also did so to recover quickly from injury. However taking steriods to me at times causes many of these multiple injuries.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Thoughts on the interview? I just got back from the gym and caught it around 7:30. He seems pretty emotional and honest. I don't really give a shit about steroids anymore but I would imagine the public would forgive him for the most part, doubt the HOF will though considering he admitted it for 10 years but fuck it, does anyone really care anymore?
He sacked up and called Roger Maris' widow this morning before it all broke, and apologized. That was probably the bigggest shock to me.
He's stated it was all done because he was sick of breaking down, getting injured. Granted, he said he started using heavily in 1993 and proceded to get injured in 1994 and 1995. But, he stated it jsut made him feel good so he stuck with it.
He stated he just wanted to work in baseball again, and as I suspected, he has mentioned the Cardinals PR department so, they are handling this.
Still some denial aspects in there ... Costas didn't press him enough, but intimated the question about if he thought his numbers were "legitimate" ... McGwire stated his hand eye coodination and talent would mean the numbers are legitimate ... but, he also stated he thought about retiring as early as 1996 ... so, it's obvious there is no way he would have had these numbers without steroids.
I think he wants people to really respect his TALENT. But, they won't if he's still denying the steroids helped.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
He sacked up and called Roger Maris' widow this morning before it all broke, and apologized. That was probably the bigggest shock to me.
He's stated it was all done because he was sick of breaking down, getting injured. Granted, he said he started using heavily in 1993 and proceded to get injured in 1994 and 1995. But, he stated it jsut made him feel good so he stuck with it.
He stated he just wanted to work in baseball again, and as I suspected, he has mentioned the Cardinals PR department so, they are handling this.
Still some denial aspects in there ... Costas didn't press him enough, but intimated the question about if he thought his numbers were "legitimate" ... McGwire stated his hand eye coodination and talent would mean the numbers are legitimate ... but, he also stated he thought about retiring as early as 1996 ... so, it's obvious there is no way he would have had these numbers without steroids.
I think he wants people to really respect his TALENT. But, they won't if he's still denying the steroids helped.
Intersting, thanks a lot for the summary. He is a proud guy and I am sure he probably does not think it helped him. People want to think they are that good. He is getting ripped on MLBTV but I think they are going a bit overboard, especially squirrell boy.
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll: [/i][/b]
Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll: [/i][/b]
Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.
Baseball has a whole lot of cheaters in the HOF starting with Gaylord Perry. I have read a few people that have said, with all the money on the line players who didn't use were stupid, i kind of agree with that.
Was listening to espn today and they had another take as well..There has been talk of him becoming a pinch hitter for the cards at some point later this year...This would make him active again, and would then allow him to retire and get the first 4 or 5 years of HOF voting back..It would in effect reset his career if he then retired again....another 20 years of eligibilty.....
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Was listening to espn today and they had another take as well..There has been talk of him becoming a pinch hitter for the cards at some point later this year...This would make him active again, and would then allow him to retire and get the first 4 or 5 years of HOF voting back..It would in effect reset his career if he then retired again....another 20 years of eligibilty.....
Discuss.
LaRussa said that was toungue in cheek ... won't happen.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
BTW I don't believe MM after all hie steriod & HGH usage he has any of the homerun records. I now forsee in a couple of years Selig either removing Bonds from the homerun record or at the very least an ****. Then resetting the mark back to 61.
These guys are or were making a mockery out of the game.
Peace
yeah i could selig doing that....only problem is, he does not have any testicles.
he will never get into the Hall.. neither will Bonds,Clemens etc... all lying scumbags... everyone knew the players juiced it,but these guys had to lie about it. They should of just came clean. Great role models i tell ya.
they make Pete Rose look like a saint.. 4000+ plus hits and he's not in the hall cause he bet on baseball, what a joke!
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Do you watch the NFL?
You're living in a cloud if you don't think its s HUGE problem in the NFL.
The NFL hasn't had a Jose Canseco yet.
They will someday soon.
For some strange reason there doesn't seem to be as much of an uproar in the NFL as there is in MLB. It must be the NFL's gladiator effect.
Peace
its because people care more about baseball's records than the nfl's. i suspect steroid use is huge in the nfl. just look at the size of the players
BTW I don't believe MM after all hie steriod & HGH usage he has any of the homerun records. I now forsee in a couple of years Selig either removing Bonds from the homerun record or at the very least an ****. Then resetting the mark back to 61.
These guys are or were making a mockery out of the game.
Peace
yeah i could selig doing that....only problem is, he does not have any testicles.
What baseball needs to admit is that there should just be no "record book".
You cannot compare folks from different eras, whether it be the steroid era, the dead ball era, the small stadium era, the amphetamine era, the DH era, the expansion era, the no black or Latino player era ... none of these numbers can be compared apples to apples. NONE.
But, people want, (some need) to compare people through numbers, but in all actuality, they should be compared to others within their playing career, not to those across eras.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
he will never get into the Hall.. neither will Bonds,Clemens etc... all lying scumbags... everyone knew the players juiced it,but these guys had to lie about it. They should of just came clean. Great role models i tell ya.
they make Pete Rose look like a saint.. 4000+ plus hits and he's not in the hall cause he bet on baseball, what a joke!
pete rose screwed over fay vinncent and was an asshole to the baseball writers who have votes. Not to mention that he lied bout it for 12 years and then writes a book and in that book admits he gambled. Pete rose is a scumbag.
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll: [/i][/b]
Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.
Baseball has a whole lot of cheaters in the HOF starting with Gaylord Perry. I have read a few people that have said, with all the money on the line players who didn't use were stupid, i kind of agree with that.
+1
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Was listening to espn today and they had another take as well..There has been talk of him becoming a pinch hitter for the cards at some point later this year...This would make him active again, and would then allow him to retire and get the first 4 or 5 years of HOF voting back..It would in effect reset his career if he then retired again....another 20 years of eligibilty.....
Discuss.
It would just freeze his eligibility, not give him the years back.
The steroids didn't help him hit HR's ? Now he's all sad and a cry bay because he feel's sorry for himself
If he wasn't going to be working for the Cards he would still be hiding like the rest of the weasels
This was all about personal gain for him had nothing to do with him caring about baseball or kids
I love in the interview with Costas he says "I wish they had testing during that time" Let's deflect the blame back on MLB instead of you not being a cheater !
Let's praise a guy for doing the right thing and admitting what he did was wrong when it suits him and only him
Good read here which I happen to 100% agree with :
McGwire’s feckless admission is too late
Tim Brown
By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
Well, of course he did.
And now that he wants something – a job, a reasonably nonbelligerent working environment, peace of mind, forgiveness, I suppose – Mark McGwire has come a little closer to the truth.
He and his handlers typed out a statement, sent it along to the Associated Press and, presumably, put their hands over their ears. He later sat for an interview with Bob Costas and was inarguably contrite.
Turns out, he had a damned good reason not to talk about the past, but we knew that, and he knew we knew, so what exactly do we have today, the day McGwire simply confirmed that so many of those home runs were manufactured not in a batting cage, but in a lab (and not in a bathroom stall)?
For one, we have a man so used to hiding and lying that, years after cheating a nation of baseball fans, he feels sorry for … himself.
“Looking back,” he wrote, “I wish I had never played during the steroid era.”
Really.
Mark McGwire broke Roger Maris’ single-season home run record in 1998.
Since we’re all in the mood for looking back, let’s consider this, Mark: You were the steroid era.
Still are. You and every guy who made the same terrible decisions, over and over. We’ve become so comfortable blaming Bud Selig and Don Fehr, we forget the villains in this. They’re McGwire, Canseco, A-Rod, Palmeiro, Bonds, every man in the Mitchell Report, every player who put a needle in his body and made the next player choose between that and pumping gas for a living, everyone too cowardly to compete straight up.
The steroid era isn’t a seized batch of urine samples, or Victor Conte vs. the feds, or Selig vs. his own eyes, it’s McGwire living the lie, and the hundreds of others just like him, their angry denials as fraudulent as their careers.
“I have always told the truth,” McGwire cried a half-decade ago, when Jose Canseco accused him of steroid use, “and I am saddened that I continue to face this line of questioning.”
So McGwire comes clean a month before spring training, perhaps enough lead time that the St. Louis Cardinals camp at Jupiter, Fla. won’t be totally overrun by reporters and other snoops. Maybe Tony La Russa, his manager then and his boss now, will be over the humiliation by then, having spent the better part of the decade backing McGwire against any and all steroids charges. “It’s fabrication,” La Russa said more than once, and you’d have thought McGwire would have called La Russa before Monday, seeing as La Russa was being such a good (and misguided) friend.
By Monday, La Russa had to come up with a whole new way to praise McGwire, which he managed quite nimbly.
“No one on the teams I managed worked harder or better than Mark,” he said in a statement put out by the club. “And now, his willingness to admit mistakes, express his regret and explain the circumstances that led him to use steroids add to my respect for him. I’ve defended Mark because I observed him develop his unique power hitting skill through a rigorous physical and fundamental workout program.”
That and the 10 or 12 years of Winstrol, Deca and HGH, or whatever found its way into his shaving kit.
Except, and I’ll bet La Russa wishes he’d put this in his statement, McGwire insisted the performance-enhancing drugs he used did not actually enhance his performance. The dosages were too low and his physical ability too divine, turns out, for the drugs to have an impact on his body, particularly as it related to his hitting.
“I was given the gift,” he told Costas, “to hit home runs.”
He said he would have hit every single one of them had he never injected a drop of anything.
“Absolutely,” he said. “I truly believe so.”
So, McGwire was burdened by injuries, a 162-game season, pressures to perform and his own league’s refusal to test for performance-enhancing drugs, even the non-performance-enhancing kind. How’s a man to cope?
“What I had to go through …” he told Costas.
He began using steroids regularly, he said, in time for the ’94 season. He missed three-quarters of that season because of injury. So, the steroids he bought and used to maintain his health (but not to hit home runs) weren’t keeping him healthy, yet he continued to use them for years. And the home runs came anyway.
“For some reason,” he said, “I kept doing it.”
You know what would have been more impressive? Had McGwire in the five years since he ducked questions from Congress come clean not for his own benefit but for the good of the young men about to make the same awful choice he did. He could have announced it on the Taylor Hooton Foundation website, raising money and awareness for anti-steroids education. Instead, we get a statement and a television appearance serving himself and his new career as a hitting coach, just in time to come out of hiding (retirement) and start the season.
“Now that I have become the hitting coach for the St. Louis Cardinals,” he wrote, “I have the chance to do something that I wish I was able to do five years ago.
“I used steroids during my playing career and I apologize.”
Yes, he could not be expected to say these things unless he became the hitting coach for the Cardinals. Before then, clearly, he would not have had the chance.
What’s it matter now, though, right? It’s one man among hundreds, maybe thousands. He lifted the game that summer, right? Him and Sammy Sosa(notes), so heroic, SI’s Sportsmen of the Year, National League MVPs 1A and 1B, they brought baseball back, right? They saved the sport, remember?
Sadly, it came during what would become known as the steroid era, which, apparently, was just bad timing for McGwire.
But, we let a man up. We forgive. We hope somebody out there learns from this. Hell, we weren’t taking many of those 583 home runs seriously anyway, certainly not the 135 he hit over 1998-99. The man is eighth on the all-time home run list (tied at the moment with Alex Rodriguez(notes)) and barely sniffs a quarter of the Hall of Fame ballots. We knew. And he knew we knew.
BTW I don't believe MM after all hie steriod & HGH usage he has any of the homerun records. I now forsee in a couple of years Selig either removing Bonds from the homerun record or at the very least an ****. Then resetting the mark back to 61.
These guys are or were making a mockery out of the game.
Peace
yeah i could selig doing that....only problem is, he does not have any testicles.
What baseball needs to admit is that there should just be no "record book".
You cannot compare folks from different eras, whether it be the steroid era, the dead ball era, the small stadium era, the amphetamine era, the DH era, the expansion era, the no black or Latino player era ... none of these numbers can be compared apples to apples. NONE.
But, people want, (some need) to compare people through numbers, but in all actuality, they should be compared to others within their playing career, not to those across eras.
you may be right. but then again baseball records are so sacred and have stood up for years and decades. it's fun to compare different players from different eras though.
All I know is that Tiger Woods must be pissed that Mark didn't come out with this a month ago...
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of a sunny day
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i think we can all admit that McGuire is definitely not making it into the hall of fame. that interview last night, though emotional, was a joke. how do you admit to taking steroids, and then say they did not affect your performance? either he is still in denial or he's still outright lying. either way, i think he probably worsened his chance at getting in by that farce last night. mlb tv's panel was instantly not impressed either.....and this is coming from a guy who always has liked him despite the steroid use. he always seemed genuine. but come on man!
also--did anyone find it funny when he would talk about his family and say something like "my son JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY that i did steroids!"----i realize they probably didn't talk about it in his household. but its something that is pretty much common knowledge to the rest of the world. and he's like he just found out YESTERDAY!......found that rather humorous.
i think we can all admit that McGuire is definitely not making it into the hall of fame. that interview last night, though emotional, was a joke. how do you admit to taking steroids, and then say they did not affect your performance? either he is still in denial or he's still outright lying. either way, i think he probably worsened his chance at getting in by that farce last night. mlb tv's panel was instantly not impressed either.....and this is coming from a guy who always has liked him despite the steroid use. he always seemed genuine. but come on man!
also--did anyone find it funny when he would talk about his family and say something like "my son JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY that i did steroids!"----i realize they probably didn't talk about it in his household. but its something that is pretty much common knowledge to the rest of the world. and he's like he just found out YESTERDAY!......found that rather humorous.
Yeah so many guys hit 60 or 70 HRS naturally before Steroid Ball
I guess Canseco who is another piece of garbage wasn't too far off on all these guys
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The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
I never understand why these fallen idols, I mean idiots, need to go on an interview, spill everything, deny they did wrong- but was just miss-understood. It just makes them look even worse than before. Say your peace in a press interview and then shut the fuck up.
I have no sympathy for McGuire when his world really comes tumbling down.
I never understand why these fallen idols, I mean idiots, need to go on an interview, spill everything, deny they did wrong- but was just miss-understood. It just makes them look even worse than before. Say your peace in a press interview and then shut the fuck up.
I have no sympathy for McGuire when his world really comes tumbling down.
Exactly...
Every time one of these assholes has supposedly admitted to steroids.....Its always....
"I did it for health reasons"
"I only did it once"
"I thought it was a skin cream"
"It was somebody elses protein drink"
BLAH
BLAH
BLAH
Why do they think that the rest of the world is going to believe their bullshit?
Fuck em all......
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Mr. Mcguire can now go back into seclusion, with his pretty wife, his children, and his millions of dollars...
I hope it is another 5-10 years before we hear from this lying, cheating, no good, rotten, piece of shit.
Oh and by the way....
Mr. Mcquire is still in denial....SO FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!
You know he is on the Cards coaching staff next season right?
Lets see how long this lasts.....
Mr. Steroid freak Mcguire is going to be taking plenty of heat from his little interview with Costas.....
Coming out like this helped him as far as his coaching job... Everyone knew that he was a roid freak, and if he didn't admit it, he'd be dogged with questions constantly. Now he can just say that he addressed it and move on.
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Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll:
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
Well also some of the players who have taken steriods also did so to recover quickly from injury. However taking steriods to me at times causes many of these multiple injuries.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
He's stated it was all done because he was sick of breaking down, getting injured. Granted, he said he started using heavily in 1993 and proceded to get injured in 1994 and 1995. But, he stated it jsut made him feel good so he stuck with it.
He stated he just wanted to work in baseball again, and as I suspected, he has mentioned the Cardinals PR department so, they are handling this.
Still some denial aspects in there ... Costas didn't press him enough, but intimated the question about if he thought his numbers were "legitimate" ... McGwire stated his hand eye coodination and talent would mean the numbers are legitimate ... but, he also stated he thought about retiring as early as 1996 ... so, it's obvious there is no way he would have had these numbers without steroids.
I think he wants people to really respect his TALENT. But, they won't if he's still denying the steroids helped.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Intersting, thanks a lot for the summary. He is a proud guy and I am sure he probably does not think it helped him. People want to think they are that good. He is getting ripped on MLBTV but I think they are going a bit overboard, especially squirrell boy.
Gotta respected he called Maris.
Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.
Baseball has a whole lot of cheaters in the HOF starting with Gaylord Perry. I have read a few people that have said, with all the money on the line players who didn't use were stupid, i kind of agree with that.
Discuss.
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LaRussa said that was toungue in cheek ... won't happen.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
yeah i could selig doing that....only problem is, he does not have any testicles.
they make Pete Rose look like a saint.. 4000+ plus hits and he's not in the hall cause he bet on baseball, what a joke!
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its because people care more about baseball's records than the nfl's. i suspect steroid use is huge in the nfl. just look at the size of the players
What baseball needs to admit is that there should just be no "record book".
You cannot compare folks from different eras, whether it be the steroid era, the dead ball era, the small stadium era, the amphetamine era, the DH era, the expansion era, the no black or Latino player era ... none of these numbers can be compared apples to apples. NONE.
But, people want, (some need) to compare people through numbers, but in all actuality, they should be compared to others within their playing career, not to those across eras.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
+1
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
It would just freeze his eligibility, not give him the years back.
The steroids didn't help him hit HR's ? Now he's all sad and a cry bay because he feel's sorry for himself
If he wasn't going to be working for the Cards he would still be hiding like the rest of the weasels
This was all about personal gain for him had nothing to do with him caring about baseball or kids
I love in the interview with Costas he says "I wish they had testing during that time" Let's deflect the blame back on MLB instead of you not being a cheater !
Let's praise a guy for doing the right thing and admitting what he did was wrong when it suits him and only him
Good read here which I happen to 100% agree with :
McGwire’s feckless admission is too late
Tim Brown
By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
Well, of course he did.
And now that he wants something – a job, a reasonably nonbelligerent working environment, peace of mind, forgiveness, I suppose – Mark McGwire has come a little closer to the truth.
He and his handlers typed out a statement, sent it along to the Associated Press and, presumably, put their hands over their ears. He later sat for an interview with Bob Costas and was inarguably contrite.
Turns out, he had a damned good reason not to talk about the past, but we knew that, and he knew we knew, so what exactly do we have today, the day McGwire simply confirmed that so many of those home runs were manufactured not in a batting cage, but in a lab (and not in a bathroom stall)?
For one, we have a man so used to hiding and lying that, years after cheating a nation of baseball fans, he feels sorry for … himself.
“Looking back,” he wrote, “I wish I had never played during the steroid era.”
Really.
Mark McGwire broke Roger Maris’ single-season home run record in 1998.
Since we’re all in the mood for looking back, let’s consider this, Mark: You were the steroid era.
Still are. You and every guy who made the same terrible decisions, over and over. We’ve become so comfortable blaming Bud Selig and Don Fehr, we forget the villains in this. They’re McGwire, Canseco, A-Rod, Palmeiro, Bonds, every man in the Mitchell Report, every player who put a needle in his body and made the next player choose between that and pumping gas for a living, everyone too cowardly to compete straight up.
The steroid era isn’t a seized batch of urine samples, or Victor Conte vs. the feds, or Selig vs. his own eyes, it’s McGwire living the lie, and the hundreds of others just like him, their angry denials as fraudulent as their careers.
“I have always told the truth,” McGwire cried a half-decade ago, when Jose Canseco accused him of steroid use, “and I am saddened that I continue to face this line of questioning.”
So McGwire comes clean a month before spring training, perhaps enough lead time that the St. Louis Cardinals camp at Jupiter, Fla. won’t be totally overrun by reporters and other snoops. Maybe Tony La Russa, his manager then and his boss now, will be over the humiliation by then, having spent the better part of the decade backing McGwire against any and all steroids charges. “It’s fabrication,” La Russa said more than once, and you’d have thought McGwire would have called La Russa before Monday, seeing as La Russa was being such a good (and misguided) friend.
By Monday, La Russa had to come up with a whole new way to praise McGwire, which he managed quite nimbly.
“No one on the teams I managed worked harder or better than Mark,” he said in a statement put out by the club. “And now, his willingness to admit mistakes, express his regret and explain the circumstances that led him to use steroids add to my respect for him. I’ve defended Mark because I observed him develop his unique power hitting skill through a rigorous physical and fundamental workout program.”
That and the 10 or 12 years of Winstrol, Deca and HGH, or whatever found its way into his shaving kit.
Except, and I’ll bet La Russa wishes he’d put this in his statement, McGwire insisted the performance-enhancing drugs he used did not actually enhance his performance. The dosages were too low and his physical ability too divine, turns out, for the drugs to have an impact on his body, particularly as it related to his hitting.
“I was given the gift,” he told Costas, “to hit home runs.”
He said he would have hit every single one of them had he never injected a drop of anything.
“Absolutely,” he said. “I truly believe so.”
So, McGwire was burdened by injuries, a 162-game season, pressures to perform and his own league’s refusal to test for performance-enhancing drugs, even the non-performance-enhancing kind. How’s a man to cope?
“What I had to go through …” he told Costas.
He began using steroids regularly, he said, in time for the ’94 season. He missed three-quarters of that season because of injury. So, the steroids he bought and used to maintain his health (but not to hit home runs) weren’t keeping him healthy, yet he continued to use them for years. And the home runs came anyway.
“For some reason,” he said, “I kept doing it.”
You know what would have been more impressive? Had McGwire in the five years since he ducked questions from Congress come clean not for his own benefit but for the good of the young men about to make the same awful choice he did. He could have announced it on the Taylor Hooton Foundation website, raising money and awareness for anti-steroids education. Instead, we get a statement and a television appearance serving himself and his new career as a hitting coach, just in time to come out of hiding (retirement) and start the season.
“Now that I have become the hitting coach for the St. Louis Cardinals,” he wrote, “I have the chance to do something that I wish I was able to do five years ago.
“I used steroids during my playing career and I apologize.”
Yes, he could not be expected to say these things unless he became the hitting coach for the Cardinals. Before then, clearly, he would not have had the chance.
What’s it matter now, though, right? It’s one man among hundreds, maybe thousands. He lifted the game that summer, right? Him and Sammy Sosa(notes), so heroic, SI’s Sportsmen of the Year, National League MVPs 1A and 1B, they brought baseball back, right? They saved the sport, remember?
Sadly, it came during what would become known as the steroid era, which, apparently, was just bad timing for McGwire.
But, we let a man up. We forgive. We hope somebody out there learns from this. Hell, we weren’t taking many of those 583 home runs seriously anyway, certainly not the 135 he hit over 1998-99. The man is eighth on the all-time home run list (tied at the moment with Alex Rodriguez(notes)) and barely sniffs a quarter of the Hall of Fame ballots. We knew. And he knew we knew.
You know what would have been nice, though?
Had McGwire not wasted our time.
Not in 1998. And not on Monday.
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The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
you may be right. but then again baseball records are so sacred and have stood up for years and decades. it's fun to compare different players from different eras though.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
also--did anyone find it funny when he would talk about his family and say something like "my son JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY that i did steroids!"----i realize they probably didn't talk about it in his household. but its something that is pretty much common knowledge to the rest of the world. and he's like he just found out YESTERDAY!......found that rather humorous.
He's been spotted off the shoreline....
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Yeah so many guys hit 60 or 70 HRS naturally before Steroid Ball
I guess Canseco who is another piece of garbage wasn't too far off on all these guys
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Mr. Mcguire can now go back into seclusion, with his pretty wife, his children, and his millions of dollars...
I hope it is another 5-10 years before we hear from this lying, cheating, no good, rotten, piece of shit.
Oh and by the way....
Mr. Mcquire is still in denial....SO FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
You know he is on the Cards coaching staff next season right?
Mr. Steroid freak Mcguire is going to be taking plenty of heat from his little interview with Costas.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I have no sympathy for McGuire when his world really comes tumbling down.
Every time one of these assholes has supposedly admitted to steroids.....Its always....
"I did it for health reasons"
"I only did it once"
"I thought it was a skin cream"
"It was somebody elses protein drink"
BLAH
BLAH
BLAH
Why do they think that the rest of the world is going to believe their bullshit?
Fuck em all......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Coming out like this helped him as far as his coaching job... Everyone knew that he was a roid freak, and if he didn't admit it, he'd be dogged with questions constantly. Now he can just say that he addressed it and move on.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln