Breaking Sports News: McGuire Admits.....

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CROJAM95 wrote:

without juice......they ain't shit,even with it they struck out a bunch,can't run,can't play D

juice made those dudes serious$,maybe without it they aren't big leaguers

Not totally true with McGuire... he was a scrawny kid as a rookie and hit a shitload of homeruns.

jimed14

metsfan wrote:

Hawkshore wrote:

Damn! ......What other gems are going to be uncovered from the nineties??? ........OJ did it!!! :roll:

but the glove didn't fit :roll:


THE only reason big mac did this was so overtime he can get more votes for the hall of fame. He shoulda said he was sorry when he was in DC a few years back. I think he only got 26% of the votes this year.

I disagree. I'm guessing he did this to work in baseball again. His employment with the Cardinals was probably contingent on him coming clean.

Hall of Fame? I don't think he cares that much. I think if he didn't want to work in baseball, he would have never come forward.

And honestly, him admitting to constant use of STEROIDS (not just HGH) throughout his career ... not going to help his vote total anytime soon, even if we are a forgiving nation. I bet he never makes it above 50% of the vote.

oh, and one reason of him waiting to say this ... he cannot be persued for using illegal drugs. If he had said it in Congress, he could have still been prosecuted.

Ledbetterman10

CROJAM95 wrote:

Guys like him and Papi are the worst

without juice......they ain't shit,even with it they struck out a bunch,can't run,can't play D

juice made those dudes serious$,maybe without it they aren't big leaguers

I agree with this...but guys like Ortiz, McGuire, and Canseco aren't the guys who piss me off. If they wouldn't be major leaguers without steroids, then whatever, ya gotta make your living. It's not unlike someone who lies on their resume for a regular job. Sure it's wrong, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

The guys who drive me nuts are Roger Clemens, A-Rod, and Barry Bonds. These guys have all the baseball talent in the world and COULD have made it to the top without cheating. But because they have such big egos, they cheated so they definitely WOULD be on top. These guys are comparable to a guy like Bernie Madoff. He had all the money he needs but still ripped people off.

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metsfan wrote:

Hawkshore wrote:

Damn! ......What other gems are going to be uncovered from the nineties??? ........OJ did it!!! :roll:

but the glove didn't fit :roll:


THE only reason big mac did this was so overtime he can get more votes for the hall of fame. He shoulda said he was sorry when he was in DC a few years back. I think he only got 26% of the votes this year.

I disagree, this had more to do with Tony LaRussa and McGuire's impending hitting coach job. LaRussa with an law degree basically said to him I don't know if you took steriods or not but you either have to say you did or come clean. So that this story doesn't follow the Cardinals all year long. I think if he had done so some years ago this woud have been better for him in terms of votes for the HOF. He would've garnered more sympathy from back then.

I also think Larussa has known MM has been taking something for their days together with the A's.

Peace

Gary Carter

jimed14 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Hawkshore wrote:

Damn! ......What other gems are going to be uncovered from the nineties??? ........OJ did it!!! :roll:

but the glove didn't fit :roll:


THE only reason big mac did this was so overtime he can get more votes for the hall of fame. He shoulda said he was sorry when he was in DC a few years back. I think he only got 26% of the votes this year.

I disagree. I'm guessing he did this to work in baseball again. His employment with the Cardinals was probably contingent on him coming clean.

Hall of Fame? I don't think he cares that much. I think if he didn't want to work in baseball, he would have never come forward.

And honestly, him admitting to constant use of STEROIDS (not just HGH) throughout his career ... not going to help his vote total anytime soon, even if we are a forgiving nation. I bet he never makes it above 50% of the vote.

oh, and one reason of him waiting to say this ... he cannot be persued for using illegal drugs. If he had said it in Congress, he could have still been prosecuted.

I think big mac will get in the hall of fame in due time. Say like 14 years from now. He comes out with this a week after the hall of fame votes get announced. I can't believe none of you make that connection. He coulda easily done this before spring training.

gregkitefan

BabaBooey1979 wrote:

singularity wrote:

he's still a coward for not admitting this years ago.

I am bitterly angry about this. I remember that summer and spent many nights watching the home run chase. Excuse my language, but how the fuck does bud Selig still have a fucking job. All of this shit happened under his watch.

Fuck him and MLB. They won't get one penny from me this year.

Do you watch the NFL?
You're living in a cloud if you don't think its s HUGE problem in the NFL.
The NFL hasn't had a Jose Canseco yet.
They will someday soon.

jimed14

metsfan wrote:

I think big mac will get in the hall of fame in due time. Say like 14 years from now. He comes out with this a week after the hall of fame votes get announced. I can't believe none of you make that connection. He coulda easily done this before spring training.

Technically, he won't be eligible in 14 years as you only get 15 years on the ballot, and he's already been on 4 ballots. All 4 votes he's been between ~22-24%, I cannot see this making huge strides to get him in. He won't sway an additional 50% of the votes to go from no to yes.

As for timing, he made this announcement at the earliest time possible.

I'm am certain he didn't want to have this being discussed throughout the Hall of Fame balloting to take away from the guys that were going to get in.

I'm sure he doesn't want to wait any further so it hopefully won't bleed too much into spring training.

I'll be he's being handled by the Cardinals PR department.

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gregkitefan wrote:

BabaBooey1979 wrote:

singularity wrote:

he's still a coward for not admitting this years ago.

I am bitterly angry about this. I remember that summer and spent many nights watching the home run chase. Excuse my language, but how the fuck does bud Selig still have a fucking job. All of this shit happened under his watch.

Fuck him and MLB. They won't get one penny from me this year.

Do you watch the NFL?
You're living in a cloud if you don't think its s HUGE problem in the NFL.
The NFL hasn't had a Jose Canseco yet.
They will someday soon.

For some strange reason there doesn't seem to be as much of an uproar in the NFL as there is in MLB. It must be the NFL's gladiator effect.

Peace

rhcpjam1029

at least he sounds meaningful about it.

DewieCox

PJGARDEN wrote:

singularity wrote:

he's still a coward for not admitting this years ago.

My thoughts exactly.

Really?? He asked his lawyers the best course of action to leave his family out of anything that came out of it....That was their advice and it has worked so far. He's not gonna get dragged into a perjury case. At most he'll have to answer some questions about where he got them.

PearlOfAGirl

I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head

Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:

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HeartShapedBox wrote:

I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head

Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:

I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.

Peace

PearlOfAGirl

g under p wrote:

HeartShapedBox wrote:

I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head

Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:

I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.

Peace

Thank you for answering that for me

It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll:

g under p

HeartShapedBox wrote:

g under p wrote:

HeartShapedBox wrote:

I'm shocked :shock: I thought he was just getting a big head

Why is he admitting to it now???? :think:

I believe it's due to his new job as a hitting coach with the Cardinals and La Russa doesn't want this following the team all year long. With enough time before spring training for it to fade somewhat. Besides how many of us are truly surprised my this revelation today.

Peace

Thank you for answering that for me

It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll:

Well also some of the players who have taken steriods also did so to recover quickly from injury. However taking steriods to me at times causes many of these multiple injuries.

Peace

Cliffy6745

Thoughts on the interview? I just got back from the gym and caught it around 7:30. He seems pretty emotional and honest. I don't really give a shit about steroids anymore but I would imagine the public would forgive him for the most part, doubt the HOF will though considering he admitted it for 10 years but fuck it, does anyone really care anymore?

jimed14

He sacked up and called Roger Maris' widow this morning before it all broke, and apologized. That was probably the bigggest shock to me.

He's stated it was all done because he was sick of breaking down, getting injured. Granted, he said he started using heavily in 1993 and proceded to get injured in 1994 and 1995. But, he stated it jsut made him feel good so he stuck with it.

He stated he just wanted to work in baseball again, and as I suspected, he has mentioned the Cardinals PR department so, they are handling this.

Still some denial aspects in there ... Costas didn't press him enough, but intimated the question about if he thought his numbers were "legitimate" ... McGwire stated his hand eye coodination and talent would mean the numbers are legitimate ... but, he also stated he thought about retiring as early as 1996 ... so, it's obvious there is no way he would have had these numbers without steroids.

I think he wants people to really respect his TALENT. But, they won't if he's still denying the steroids helped.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

He sacked up and called Roger Maris' widow this morning before it all broke, and apologized. That was probably the bigggest shock to me.

He's stated it was all done because he was sick of breaking down, getting injured. Granted, he said he started using heavily in 1993 and proceded to get injured in 1994 and 1995. But, he stated it jsut made him feel good so he stuck with it.

He stated he just wanted to work in baseball again, and as I suspected, he has mentioned the Cardinals PR department so, they are handling this.

Still some denial aspects in there ... Costas didn't press him enough, but intimated the question about if he thought his numbers were "legitimate" ... McGwire stated his hand eye coodination and talent would mean the numbers are legitimate ... but, he also stated he thought about retiring as early as 1996 ... so, it's obvious there is no way he would have had these numbers without steroids.

I think he wants people to really respect his TALENT. But, they won't if he's still denying the steroids helped.

Intersting, thanks a lot for the summary. He is a proud guy and I am sure he probably does not think it helped him. People want to think they are that good. He is getting ripped on MLBTV but I think they are going a bit overboard, especially squirrell boy.

Gotta respected he called Maris.

DewieCox

HeartShapedBox wrote:

It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll: [/i][/b]

Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.

Cliffy6745

DewieCox wrote:

HeartShapedBox wrote:

It's kind of sad that all the players, in any sport who have to depend on steroids to break records, when back in the day, players did this without any help, and they had to actually work on the off season, also they didn't get paid bazillions of dollars :roll: [/i][/b]

Totally false. Mike Schmidt admitted to taking amphetamines in the 80s. Who suggested they use him? Newly retired players that became coaches like the HR king himself, Hank Aaron. There's a few pitchers that famously cheated that are already in the HoF. An endless list of old timers have claimed that they woulda took stuff to get an advantage and I'd be surprised to find out they didn't cheat in other ways.

Baseball has a whole lot of cheaters in the HOF starting with Gaylord Perry. I have read a few people that have said, with all the money on the line players who didn't use were stupid, i kind of agree with that.

pjtradeking

Was listening to espn today and they had another take as well..There has been talk of him becoming a pinch hitter for the cards at some point later this year...This would make him active again, and would then allow him to retire and get the first 4 or 5 years of HOF voting back..It would in effect reset his career if he then retired again....another 20 years of eligibilty.....

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