What did Ed say about Dave A in Berlin this year???

blondieblue227

eyedclaar wrote:

There is nothing wrong with owning guns, OR shooting people. What else am I going to shoot, an animal? I like animals...

lol!

mikepegg44

well, if you ban guns, you also then ban the legal sale and manufacturing of guns as well. So eventully all guns will be only owned by criminals. Because someone "might" own a gun they are not protected from crime. Me having a gun at home to "protect my house and stuff" is really a rather silly concept. If someone broke in the odds of me being able to get the gun, load it, and use it before I was hurt are small at best. In fact my gun would probably just be stolen.

I love hunting, but if it meant some how making america safer I would give up my gun. I think banning recidivist criminals from the US would probably help keep us all safer, not giving up my hunting/recreational weapons.

Rossum20

Whoever actually believes that having more guns around doesn't equal more violence is an idiot- legal or not.

How about the children who lose their lives because their parents, who are trying to "protect" their families, can't hide their gun(s) well enough and their child thinks its a toy? There are wayyy to many cases of this and other instances where gun owners (who never have the intent to harm anyone) end up doing something lethal through misuse.

Many people are perfectly responsible gun owners so save me the speeches. Im not saying people shouldn't have the right to bare arms...but just because YOU might responsible doesn't mean others are. Its not just about people having the ability to get a gun whether its legal or not.

Yes, guns don't kill people....people kill people. But what do the people have? Guns.

SpinTheBlackCircle74

Rossum20 wrote:

Whoever actually believes that having more guns around doesn't equal more violence is an idiot- legal or not.

How about the children who lose their lives because their parents, who are trying to "protect" their families, can't hide their gun(s) well enough and their child thinks its a toy? There are wayyy to many cases of this and other instances where gun owners (who never have the intent to harm anyone) end up doing something lethal through misuse.

Many people are perfectly responsible gun owners so save me the speeches. Im not saying people shouldn't have the right to bare arms...but just because YOU might responsible doesn't mean others are. Its not just about people having the ability to get a gun whether its legal or not.

Yes, guns don't kill people....people kill people. But what do the people have? Guns.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

cajunkiwi

CJMST3K wrote:

shrimp and whitewine wrote:

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

indeed.

I hate to come across like a dork here, but I'm gonna bust out some Queen on you:

"A gun never killed nobody, you can ask anyone; people get shot by people... people with guns."

mr.pink

Rossum20 wrote:

Whoever actually believes that having more guns around doesn't equal more violence is an idiot- legal or not.

How about the children who lose their lives because their parents, who are trying to "protect" their families, can't hide their gun(s) well enough and their child thinks its a toy? There are wayyy to many cases of this and other instances where gun owners (who never have the intent to harm anyone) end up doing something lethal through misuse.

Many people are perfectly responsible gun owners so save me the speeches. Im not saying people shouldn't have the right to bare arms...but just because YOU might responsible doesn't mean others are. Its not just about people having the ability to get a gun whether its legal or not.

Yes, guns don't kill people....people kill people. But what do the people have? Guns.

What about knives? Should we ban them too? What will I cut my vegetables with? How about all the children that get run over by cars every year or die in some house hold accident? I promise those numbers are much higher. People are fucking violent. Always have been. They may have a gun around or a club, doens't matter the shit is going to go down. Finally, making laws that punish the responsible to compensate the for the idiots is just plain wrong.

CJMST3K

Rossum20 wrote:

Yes, guns don't kill people....people kill people. But what do the people have? Guns.

But, people also have knives. Don't they?

Children and adults are also killed by knives, accidentally and intentionally. I don't blame the knives nor categorize knives as bad.


So, just to be fair to all objects I can think of off the top of my head...

Knives kill people
Cars kill people
Baseball bats kill people
Guns kill people
Airplanes kill people
Cliffs kill people
Glass kills people

mr.pink

mikepegg44 wrote:

well, if you ban guns, you also then ban the legal sale and manufacturing of guns as well. So eventully all guns will be only owned by criminals. Because someone "might" own a gun they are not protected from crime. Me having a gun at home to "protect my house and stuff" is really a rather silly concept. If someone broke in the odds of me being able to get the gun, load it, and use it before I was hurt are small at best. In fact my gun would probably just be stolen.

I love hunting, but if it meant some how making america safer I would give up my gun. I think banning recidivist criminals from the US would probably help keep us all safer, not giving up my hunting/recreational weapons.

Once someone broke into my house in the middle of the night. My step dad was asleep and had a loaded shotgun pointed at them before they made it out of the first room.

But thats not the only instance here. In general, criminals have to be wary that there is a good chance the home owner could have a gun. And the original purpose of the 2nd admendment was to keep our own government in check.

robbie

i dont see the song as being about banning guns as much as it is mocking the macho christian right wing assholes like those morons who bring their loaded firearms to places Obama is speaking. I have met plety of rednecks to which this song applies perfectly. In my opinion it is clearly a dig at the attitute of gun enthusiests rather than a song about banning guns.

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

I eat marshmallows

300 a day

PETA says stop!

But I say no way!

I'm not trying to make a difference

no way....

Shawshank

The whole premise that banning guns is good, is probably the most idiotic argument one could make. Sure we'd all love to live in a utopian environment, where everyone gets along and we can sleep at night with our doors unlocked. Unfortunately that's not the world we live in. Is this the wild west? No. But when someone who thinks it still is visits your home late one night, it's a good idea to be on a level playing field, because trying to coax them out of hurting you probably isn't going to work.

I tend to take this issue a bit personally. Back on Wednesday, Oct. 16th, 1991 at a Luby's cafeteria in the town I grew up in. It was "Boss's Day", and my dad was there along with some other family and many friends we all knew. A man named George Hennard drove his pickup truck right through the plate glass picture window into the lobby of the restaurant. He got out of his pickup with a couple of hand guns at the ready, and began methodically shooting people. My teacher's wife had hid under the table beneath the long table skirt, but Mr. Hennard saw her movement, and he briskly walked over to the table, lifted the table cloth and shot her in the head. He moved quickly, but seemed to thoroughly enjoy stalking the people in there. He would unload a magazine and quickly reload.

Dr. Suzanna Gratia was definitely one of the people within the restaurant that day that could have stopped this man, had she been allowed to carry her firearm on her person. Having known her, she would not have thought one second about dropping Hennard, and she definitely could have done it. Obeying the law however, she left her gun outside in her vehicle. Seeing how desperate the situation was, her dad Al, rushed Hennard but was shot and killed. Later as Hennard swept by again, he also shot and killed her mother Ursula.

Finally a big ol' boy named Tommy Vaughn charged the plate glass window in the back of the restaurant and busted right through it. He was cut up pretty bad, but it did allow my family and a lot of our other friends to escape.

The point is, you're never going to be able to do enough to keep guns away from people like George Hennard. And when you keep law-abiding citizens, who are properly trained on how to carry and fire their weapon, from carrying, then they lose their ability to protect themselves when up against an overwhelming opposing force.

eyedclaar

robbie wrote:

i dont see the song as being about banning guns as much as it is mocking the macho christian right wing assholes like those morons who bring their loaded firearms to places Obama is speaking. I have met plety of rednecks to which this song applies perfectly. In my opinion it is clearly a dig at the attitute of gun enthusiests rather than a song about banning guns.

Agreed. I am a gun owner that likes the idea of gun control (not sure how it would work) because I live in part of the world where every dumb hick has an arsenal and frankly, those majority of those morons can't be trusted with guns. I, on the other hand, am perfectly sane and reasonable. So, in conclusion, I can and will own as many guns as I like, but I'd prefer it if the rest of you disarmed.

Everyone cool with that?

CJMST3K

Shawshank wrote:

The whole premise that banning guns is good, is probably the most idiotic argument one could make. Sure we'd all love to live in a utopian environment, where everyone gets along and we can sleep at night with our doors unlocked. Unfortunately that's not the world we live in. Is this the wild west? No. But when someone who thinks it still is visits your home late one night, it's a good idea to be on a level playing field, because trying to coax them out of hurting you probably isn't going to work.

I tend to take this issue a bit personally. Back on Wednesday, Oct. 16th, 1991 at a Luby's cafeteria in the town I grew up in. It was "Boss's Day", and my dad was there along with some other family and many friends we all knew. A man named George Hennard drove his pickup truck right through the plate glass picture window into the lobby of the restaurant. He got out of his pickup with a couple of hand guns at the ready, and began methodically shooting people. My teacher's wife had hid under the table beneath the long table skirt, but Mr. Hennard saw her movement, and he briskly walked over to the table, lifted the table cloth and shot her in the head. He moved quickly, but seemed to thoroughly enjoy stalking the people in there. He would unload a magazine and quickly reload.

Dr. Suzanna Gratia was definitely one of the people within the restaurant that day that could have stopped this man, had she been allowed to carry her firearm on her person. Having known her, she would not have thought one second about dropping Hennard, and she definitely could have done it. Obeying the law however, she left her gun outside in her vehicle. Seeing how desperate the situation was, her dad Al, rushed Hennard but was shot and killed. Later as Hennard swept by again, he also shot and killed her mother Ursula.

Finally a big ol' boy named Tommy Vaughn charged the plate glass window in the back of the restaurant and busted right through it. He was cut up pretty bad, but it did allow my family and a lot of our other friends to escape.

The point is, you're never going to be able to do enough to keep guns away from people like George Hennard. And when you keep law-abiding citizens, who are properly trained on how to carry and fire their weapon, from carrying, then they lose their ability to protect themselves when up against an overwhelming opposing force.

Wow. Thank you for posting that. I'm sure that was a traumatic event for all involved... and to think of the potential that it could, reasonably have been prevented at the onset.

mickeyrat

eyedclaar wrote:

robbie wrote:

i dont see the song as being about banning guns as much as it is mocking the macho christian right wing assholes like those morons who bring their loaded firearms to places Obama is speaking. I have met plety of rednecks to which this song applies perfectly. In my opinion it is clearly a dig at the attitute of gun enthusiests rather than a song about banning guns.

Agreed. I am a gun owner that likes the idea of gun control (not sure how it would work) because I live in part of the world where every dumb hick has an arsenal and frankly, those majority of those morons can't be trusted with guns. I, on the other hand, am perfectly sane and reasonable. So, in conclusion, I can and will own as many guns as I like, but I'd prefer it if the rest of you disarmed.

Everyone cool with that?

WTF!!!!!!! Yeah , I'm cool with that. You just stay on YOUR side of the country , MMMMKKKK?

dimitrispearljam

what was the tittle of the thread???

CJMST3K

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what was the tittle of the thread???

(shh... this is the only thread to start out talking about Dave that didn't progress into a comparison of the drummers!)

eyedclaar

CJMST3K wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what was the tittle of the thread???

(shh... this is the only thread to start out talking about Dave that didn't progress into a comparison of the drummers!)

Matt is totally a better shot with a .12 gauge than Dave A.

3legged dog

CJMST3K wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

singularity wrote:

if you ban guns, the crooks will still get their hands on 'em. don't take away from the innocent who want to protect what's theirs.

edit: innocent & responsible.

Protect what's theirs? Is this the wild west? The whole if you ban guns only criminals will have them is a false premise.

THis thread will be move over to A moving train in 5...4...3...2...1...

If you make all guns illegal, only those who abide by the law will bring their guns in.

...thus, only outlaws will have guns. It's pretty simple math.

Someone I know had their house broken into and 4 teenagers killed the mother and left the child to die, which actually lived. So to say legal guns would not protect lives is wacked. legal gun owners have rights to protect their lives first and foremost.

3legged dog

and this was in rural N.H not the city.

whatsgoingon

I am currently in the process of building my first ar-15 and you will BE sorry when the zombies invade!