Nigerian tries to blow up plane..

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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    I have no deep seeded issue with muslims, why would I?
    mb262200 wrote:
    Muslims are trying to kill us
    mb262200 wrote:
    How about looking at a name. How about looking at where they are coming from. Jesus Christ what kind of fucking world do we live in here. There is a terorists organization that is mostly made up of muslims and they want to kill us.


    you don't have an issue with them, you are just afraid they want to kill you....maybe we should pull over and check all white males driving a ryder truck?

    no we can't inconvenience white male americans like that,,,, :lol:

    i guess not and apparently a muslim terrorist would be too dumb to fly out from a country like Belgium or change their name or use a fake passport with a non muslim sounding name.....
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    who cares if it took 3 hours to inform him or if it took 3 days to "say anything"...why is this even an issue...?[/quote]


    Because we almost had another major terrorist attack,and hundreds of people could have died that's fucking why !!! He is responsible for keeping us safe. If we are almost attacked he should be notified immediately not 3 hrs later. God forbid we interupt his vacation. If it weren't for some of the passengers that saw what this scumbag was trying to do it would have more than likely happened. What if the plane would have blown up over land.Think about all the innocent people that would have died along with the passengers.This administration is incompetant when it comes to National Security. Not only that the terrorist has already gotten a public defender so now we can't even interrogate him.[/quote]

    so could you do better job? could you really do a better job on national security?

    would you want your advisors to come to you and give you the incomplete story or the wrong story and you pass that misinformation on to a concerned public? seeing that you want obama to fail, you feel that is what should have been done i have no doubt.

    you say we can't "interrogate" the suspect. what type of interrogation are you advocating here? waterboarding? how about extraordinary rendition?

    you are talking about a lot of "what ifs" here yet you are blaming the administration for some dumbfuck letting this guy on the plane. that would be like blaming a CEO for a janitor not cleaning the bathroom. there is personal acountability and that employee should be fired.

    maybe it was a gov't official that put that guy on the plane? there is a little conspiracy theory for you. who has the authority to go over the head of the TSA? a gov't official puts a guy on a plane in order to expand this war on terror into nigeria....to me its unlikely, but it is plausible so people who think like you will begin to beat the war drums to expand this war.[/quote]

    What? it doesn't matter if he can't do a better job at national security as that is not his job. it is the president job to be informed. i am not actually blaming Obama for this but you have to admit that if it is true that it took 3 hours for someone to tell the president than those people should be fired. and if it is true that it took obama 3 days to say something that is not good either. michael moore in his movie showed how long it took bush to respond to people telling him that we were just attack and that was no-where 3 days after the fact. also, i thinking soem guy trying to blow up a airplane is alittle more than someone not washing a washroom. just my 2cents
  • Heatherj43
    Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    edited January 2010
    fife wrote:
    who cares if it took 3 hours to inform him or if it took 3 days to "say anything"...why is this even an issue...?





    I am under the path that the plane would have blown up. My friends and family are also. Quite scary!
    I think Obama should have known immediately 'cuz there could had been more than one guy! It could have been a series of them. I imagine one day they will do a series of bombings across america and not just one location. That is what I thought was happening on 9/11. I pictured a series of planes blowing up things on the hour or half hour all across america. All the stuff in Washington, the St. Louis Archway, Chicago Airport, LAs Vegas, etc. Anything that is monumental to us. I honestly thought that is what they were doing on 9/11. Obama needs to know immediately of any terrorist action on american soil!
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    fife wrote:
    What? it doesn't matter if he can't do a better job at national security as that is not his job. it is the president job to be informed. i am not actually blaming Obama for this but you have to admit that if it is true that it took 3 hours for someone to tell the president than those people should be fired. and if it is true that it took obama 3 days to say something that is not good either. michael moore in his movie showed how long it took bush to respond to people telling him that we were just attack and that was no-where 3 days after the fact. also, i thinking soem guy trying to blow up a airplane is alittle more than someone not washing a washroom. just my 2cents
    we already covered this, but bush waited 6 days to address the shoe bomber, which was exactly the same thing as this, a FAILED ATTEMPT. 3 days, 6 days, immediately, what's the damn difference? if you all are so scared and can't go about your lives without constant advice from the president then you all need to start stocking your bomb shelters because i am sure this is not the last time someone will attempt to attack us. and i am sure that obama will not speak immediately when he does not know all the details....and if you all are so scared and incapable of going on about your lives then the terrorists have already won.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    What? it doesn't matter if he can't do a better job at national security as that is not his job. it is the president job to be informed. i am not actually blaming Obama for this but you have to admit that if it is true that it took 3 hours for someone to tell the president than those people should be fired. and if it is true that it took obama 3 days to say something that is not good either. michael moore in his movie showed how long it took bush to respond to people telling him that we were just attack and that was no-where 3 days after the fact. also, i thinking soem guy trying to blow up a airplane is alittle more than someone not washing a washroom. just my 2cents
    we already covered this, but bush waited 6 days to address the shoe bomber, which was exactly the same thing as this, a FAILED ATTEMPT. 3 days, 6 days, immediately, what's the damn difference? if you all are so scared and can't go about your lives without constant advice from the president then you all need to start stocking your bomb shelters because i am sure this is not the last time someone will attempt to attack us. and i am sure that obama will not speak immediately when he does not know all the details....and if you all are so scared and incapable of going on about your lives then the terrorists have already won.

    it has nothing to do with me being scared or anything like that. it also has nothing to do with wanting advice from the president to live my life. you don't see a problem with the president not being told that there was not an attempt to blow up a plane on Christmas eve? i am not that upset at Obama as i am with the people who took 3 hours to tell him. the president should be told about this right away.
  • dimitrispearljam
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    fife wrote:
    ? i am not that upset at Obama as i am with the people who took 3 hours to tell him. the president should be told about this right away.
    question?if u are in charge to inform the president,u will do it right away,or wait to see the facts,take all the infos to tell him the whole and not every 2 minutes tell him,mr president this,mr president that...+ to have his pressure with his question,and u not know what to answer
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Interesting what was said here about our government and I believe it to be true....

    The "War on Terror" Has Been About Scaring People, Not Protecting Them
    Meanwhile the National Security Agency had heard that al-Qaida in Yemen was planning to use an unnamed Nigerian in an attack on the US. If that were not enough, then came Abdulmutallab himself, a 23-year-old Nigerian bound for Detroit who bought his ticket in cash, checked in no bags and left no contact information. For seven years the American state manipulated the public with its multicoloured terror alerts. But when all the warning lights were flashing red, it did nothing.

    To brand this near miss a "systemic failure", as Barack Obama has done, is both true and inadequate. It reduces the moral vacuity, political malevolence and enduring strategic recklessness that has been the enduring response to the 9/11 attacks to a question of managerial competence.

    "Terror is first of all the terror of the next attack," explains Arjun Appadurai in Fear of Small Numbers. During the Bush years that terror was routinely leveraged for the purposes of social control, military mobilisation and electoral advantage. Meanwhile, the administrative processes that might prevent the next attack were tragically lacking. In short, Bush's anti-terror strategy was not about protecting people but about scaring them.

    To galvanise the nation for war abroad and sedate it for repression at home, the previous administration constructed a terror threat that was ubiquitous in character, apocalyptic in scale and imminent in nature. Only then could they counterpose human rights against security as though they were not only contradictory but mutually exclusive.

    Al-Qaida was only too happy to oblige. In such a state of perpetual crisis both terrorists and reactionaries thrive. Terrorists successfully create a climate of fear; governments successfully exploit that fear to extend their own powers.

    "I'm absolutely convinced that the threat we face now, the idea of a terrorist in the middle of one of our cities with a nuclear weapon, is very real and that we have to use extraordinary measures to deal with it," said former vice-president Dick Cheney.

    The trouble is that even by their own shabby standards, none of these "extraordinary measures" have ever worked. No new laws were necessary to stop 9/11. If the immigration services, the FBI and the CIA had been doing their jobs properly, the attacks could have been prevented.


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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fife wrote:
    ? i am not that upset at Obama as i am with the people who took 3 hours to tell him. the president should be told about this right away.
    question?if u are in charge to inform the president,u will do it right away,or wait to see the facts,take all the infos to tell him the whole and not every 2 minutes tell him,mr president this,mr president that...+ to have his pressure with his question,and u not know what to answer

    good question. at my job, if i know there is a problem but don't know all the details yet i inform my boss and say that i am trying to get more info. you tell the president that there seems to be a issue with someone with a weapon on a plane during the busiest time for air travel right away. at least the President knows that something is going on. i am not saying that the president has to be given 2 minutes updates unless of course he wants that but knowing that something is going on is important. I don't expect Obama to solve this problem himself as there are people whose job is it to handle this situation but i do believe he should be told that something is going on.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    what i don't understand is what is the purpose of blowing up a plane? even if you happen to time the explosion perfect so that the collateral damage kills a bunch of people - what is the most people you can affect? 1,000 - 3,000??
  • Starfall
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    polaris_x wrote:
    what i don't understand is what is the purpose of blowing up a plane? even if you happen to time the explosion perfect so that the collateral damage kills a bunch of people - what is the most people you can affect? 1,000 - 3,000??

    A lot more, if done right. It's not necessarily the casualties you're going for, but the after effects. Witness what happened after 9/11 - we went from being a flawed but still fairly model democracy to something aproaching a police state, where we were willing to have our civil rights and protections stripped from us, as long as our Daddies and Mommies in Government were going to Protect Us from those Evil Muslim Monsters Hiding Under Our Beds and Closets. We handed Osama bin Laden a victory of sorts.

    That's how terrorists work.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Starfall wrote:
    A lot more, if done right. It's not necessarily the casualties you're going for, but the after effects. Witness what happened after 9/11 - we went from being a flawed but still fairly model democracy to something aproaching a police state, where we were willing to have our civil rights and protections stripped from us, as long as our Daddies and Mommies in Government were going to Protect Us from those Evil Muslim Monsters Hiding Under Our Beds and Closets. We handed Osama bin Laden a victory of sorts.

    That's how terrorists work.

    sure, i understand the visuals ... but i refuse to believe that the subway bombings in london or madrid did less than say the lockerbee plane bombing ... ultimately, any terrorist activity on US soil would have the same effect ...
  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    Well, to put it in perspective, the UK and Spain have had a long history of dealing with terrorist attacks. (The UK with the IRA, Spain with the Basque separatists). We in the US have not. We've had this illusion of being in "Fortress America" for so long, it's insulated us from the rest of the real world.
    It's an illusion that's partially created this arrogance on our parts of being able to impose our will anywhere in the world, I think. If we're safe in our bunkers, we don't have to deal with the consequences of our actions.

    And boy, we were wrong.
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  • Pepe Silvia
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    prfctlefts wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    i just think it wouldn't have changed anything if Obama had said something right after it happened. what i think would've happened would be reporters would naturally have a million questions and he'd be dropping a lot of "we don't know at this moment" which would lead to all sorts of wild speculation and fear mongering which is very unnecessary


    I totally agree with you in a sense that it would'nt have changed anything.The last thing we need are knee jerk reactions. I just think 3 days is a long time with out saying anything. I could understand like 24 hrs or 36 hrs, but 3 days?


    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... 0-by-yemen

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    around 6:20 it gets to Obama taking 72hrs to talk about it...funny enough Bush took 6 days to talk about the shoe bomber....
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  • g under p
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    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    i just think it wouldn't have changed anything if Obama had said something right after it happened. what i think would've happened would be reporters would naturally have a million questions and he'd be dropping a lot of "we don't know at this moment" which would lead to all sorts of wild speculation and fear mongering which is very unnecessary


    I totally agree with you in a sense that it would'nt have changed anything.The last thing we need are knee jerk reactions. I just think 3 days is a long time with out saying anything. I could understand like 24 hrs or 36 hrs, but 3 days?


    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... 0-by-yemen

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    around 6:20 it gets to Obama taking 72hrs to talk about it...funny enough Bush took 6 days to talk about the shoe bomber....

    :lol::lol::lol:
    Ok i give it to you, that was funny.

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Starfall wrote:
    Well, to put it in perspective, the UK and Spain have had a long history of dealing with terrorist attacks. (The UK with the IRA, Spain with the Basque separatists). We in the US have not. We've had this illusion of being in "Fortress America" for so long, it's insulated us from the rest of the real world.
    It's an illusion that's partially created this arrogance on our parts of being able to impose our will anywhere in the world, I think. If we're safe in our bunkers, we don't have to deal with the consequences of our actions.

    And boy, we were wrong.

    i would say that america has not come close to dealing with the consequences of their actions ...
  • concertaholicshirt
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    So, Crotchey McBoomboom got indicted today:
      Nigerian man indicted in foiled airline attack on Christmas Day

      BY DAVID ASHENFELTER AND BEN SCHMITT - (Detroit) FREE PRESS STAFF - JAN 6, 2010

      A federal grand jury in Detroit indicted Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab today in the Christmas Day terror attack on a Detroit-bound airliner...

      Abdulmutallab was charged with six counts: attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, attempted murder within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willful attempt to destroy and wreck an aircraft within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willfully placing a destructive device on an aircraft and two counts possession of a destructive device in furtherance of a crime of violence...

      {Entire Article}
      Gotta say that I'm bit troubled that he was indicted. Let's see... he's was trained and dispatched by a group in the AQ network. We're at war with the AQ network. This was an attack by the AQ network as part of that war. Soooooo... why is this piece o' crap not being held as an enemy combatant who is facing execution as an undercover spy who engaged in sabotage in US airspace and/or soil?
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    • inmytree
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      concertaholicshirt wrote:
      So, Crotchey McBoomboom got indicted today:
        Nigerian man indicted in foiled airline attack on Christmas Day

        BY DAVID ASHENFELTER AND BEN SCHMITT - (Detroit) FREE PRESS STAFF - JAN 6, 2010

        A federal grand jury in Detroit indicted Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab today in the Christmas Day terror attack on a Detroit-bound airliner...

        Abdulmutallab was charged with six counts: attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, attempted murder within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willful attempt to destroy and wreck an aircraft within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willfully placing a destructive device on an aircraft and two counts possession of a destructive device in furtherance of a crime of violence...

        {Entire Article}
        Gotta say that I'm bit troubled that he was indicted. Let's see... he's was trained and dispatched by a group in the AQ network. We're at war with the AQ network. This was an attack by the AQ network as part of that war. Soooooo... why is this piece o' crap not being held as an enemy combatant who is facing execution as an undercover spy who engaged in sabotage in US airspace and/or soil?

        yeah...!!! rabble rabble rabble...they should just hang 'em...rabble rabble rabble..!!!!
      • concertaholicshirt
        concertaholicshirt Posts: 263
        Dude(tte)... This guy tried to kill hundreds of people as a warrior spy sent by our true and self-declared enemy of war. Even the Geneva Convention and international law allows for this kind of punishment. I'm not some wild eyed yahoo suggesting a punishment with no basis in law.
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      • gimmesometruth27
        gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
        concertaholicshirt wrote:
        So, Crotchey McBoomboom got indicted today:
          Nigerian man indicted in foiled airline attack on Christmas Day

          BY DAVID ASHENFELTER AND BEN SCHMITT - (Detroit) FREE PRESS STAFF - JAN 6, 2010

          A federal grand jury in Detroit indicted Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab today in the Christmas Day terror attack on a Detroit-bound airliner...

          Abdulmutallab was charged with six counts: attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, attempted murder within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willful attempt to destroy and wreck an aircraft within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, willfully placing a destructive device on an aircraft and two counts possession of a destructive device in furtherance of a crime of violence...

          {Entire Article}
          Gotta say that I'm bit troubled that he was indicted. Let's see... he's was trained and dispatched by a group in the AQ network. We're at war with the AQ network. This was an attack by the AQ network as part of that war. Soooooo... why is this piece o' crap not being held as an enemy combatant who is facing execution as an undercover spy who engaged in sabotage in US airspace and/or soil?

          dude, the american justice system is going to work, and this guy is going to go away to jail for a long long time so everyone can sleep nicely at night. the justice system worked in the case of mcveigh and nichols, rudolph, the blind sheikh and original WTC bombers, and it is going to work for "Crotchey McBoomboom" as well....

          so you are saying we are "at war" with a collection of little cells all over the world that became a network and they are trying to hit us in guerilla fashion?. its much more complicated than seeing a border or a hill or a valley and trying to attack it and take it and secure it and occupy it. this is why we are going to lose this war on terror. all it takes is for al qaedea to send a few guys so some new country, put up a piece of cloth that says "al qaeda is here" and we dump millions of dollars into bombing and moving troops to this new land while the current place is not secured. it is terrorist whack-a-mole and it is going to eventually bleed us dry. ie. think what happened to russia in afghanistan in the 80s....
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        • OnTheEdge
          OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
          Starfall wrote:
          polaris_x wrote:
          what i don't understand is what is the purpose of blowing up a plane? even if you happen to time the explosion perfect so that the collateral damage kills a bunch of people - what is the most people you can affect? 1,000 - 3,000??

          A lot more, if done right. It's not necessarily the casualties you're going for, but the after effects. Witness what happened after 9/11 - we went from being a flawed but still fairly model democracy to something aproaching a police state, where we were willing to have our civil rights and protections stripped from us, as long as our Daddies and Mommies in Government were going to Protect Us from those Evil Muslim Monsters Hiding Under Our Beds and Closets. We handed Osama bin Laden a victory of sorts.

          That's how terrorists work.

          And we are still handing them victories at every airport in America.

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