a look back at Israel's criminal acts last year

TriumphantAngel

JB811 wrote:

But I think the Jews should someday be able to catch a break somewhere. I'm sure it gets old that all of your neighbors want you dead, and not just because of this 'occupation'. I think the Jews may be the most persecuted group, ever.

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

Pepe Silvia

JB811 wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

if Mexico was doing this in parts of Texas or California i'm pretty sure americans would react far more violently than the Palestinians have

The invasion of California and Texas has been happening for years and is spreading throughout the country. The plague will continue since this administration is going to grant amnesty to 12 million criminals. But that is another topic.

i think there's a bit of a gap in comparing immigrants coming to america to Israel's brutal occupation and theft of land and water....

also i'm unaware of any amnesty to 12 million criminals

Anon

Pepe Silvia wrote:

JB811 wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

if Mexico was doing this in parts of Texas or California i'm pretty sure americans would react far more violently than the Palestinians have

The invasion of California and Texas has been happening for years and is spreading throughout the country. The plague will continue since this administration is going to grant amnesty to 12 million criminals. But that is another topic.

i think there's a bit of a gap in comparing immigrants coming to america to Israel's brutal occupation and theft of land and water....

also i'm unaware of any amnesty to 12 million criminals

Like I said another topic. Don't confuse immigrants who come here legally and are law-abiding with those that are illegal aliens and are criminals.

Anon

TriumphantAngel wrote:

JB811 wrote:

But I think the Jews should someday be able to catch a break somewhere. I'm sure it gets old that all of your neighbors want you dead, and not just because of this 'occupation'. I think the Jews may be the most persecuted group, ever.

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

I didn't excuse them for anything but go ahead and try to put words in my mouth anyway. I said they need a break and again until BOTH sides agree to something peace will not be achieved. This 'occupation' is not the only reason in history that others have wanted to kill Jews. It seems to me that those that wish them harm come up with whatever excuse in convenient at the present.

gimmesometruth27

"JB811 wrote:

Like I said another topic. Don't confuse immigrants who come here legally and are law-abiding with those that are illegal aliens and are criminals.

yeah migrant workers = soldiers killing palestinians and blowing up busses....

Anon

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

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An occupation is an occupation. But before you spout off and make comparisons go research illegal alien gangs like MS13 and others like them. You tell me who is more violent. The drug war is spilling into the streets of America, due to our porous borders and lack of enforcing immigration laws.

gimmesometruth27

JB811 wrote:

Like I said another topic. Don't confuse immigrants who come here legally and are law-abiding with those that are illegal aliens and are criminals.

yeah migrant workers = soldiers killing palestinians and blowing up busses....

gimmesometruth27

JB811 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

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An occupation is an occupation. But before you spout off and make comparisons go research illegal alien gangs like MS13 and others like them. You tell me who is more violent. The drug war is spilling into the streets of America, due to our porous borders and lack of enforcing immigration laws.

im sorry but hating illegals is not my main goal in life as it is yours since every thread you post in somehow comes back to illegals. yeah MS 13 are bad dudes, but not all of the illegals are in ms13.

TriumphantAngel

JB811 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

JB811 wrote:

But I think the Jews should someday be able to catch a break somewhere. I'm sure it gets old that all of your neighbors want you dead, and not just because of this 'occupation'. I think the Jews may be the most persecuted group, ever.

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

I didn't excuse them for anything but go ahead and try to put words in my mouth anyway. I said they need a break and again until BOTH sides agree to something peace will not be achieved. This 'occupation' is not the only reason in history that others have wanted to kill Jews. It seems to me that those that wish them harm come up with whatever excuse in convenient at the present.

i'm not putting words in your mouth. you do it all yourself. you don't care, so why even bother coming into a thread that you don't care about?

JB811 wrote:

See I really don't care about either Israel or the Palestinians very much

and then even though you 'don't care', you make comments like this, which -outlaw replied to and you just conveniently ignored. any thoughts on that?

_outlaw wrote:

JB811 wrote:

And since someone had to mention how much money the US gives to Israel go check and see how much we give in aid to the other side.

ok.

http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

Commy

JB811 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

JB811 wrote:

But I think the Jews should someday be able to catch a break somewhere. I'm sure it gets old that all of your neighbors want you dead, and not just because of this 'occupation'. I think the Jews may be the most persecuted group, ever.

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

I didn't excuse them for anything but go ahead and try to put words in my mouth anyway. I said they need a break and again until BOTH sides agree to something peace will not be achieved. This 'occupation' is not the only reason in history that others have wanted to kill Jews. It seems to me that those that wish them harm come up with whatever excuse in convenient at the present.

the only obstacle to peace at the moment is Isreal.

the Palestinians have agreed to ceasefire if israel withdraws to the 68 borders, which israel refuses to do.


telling us israels desire for land is stronger than its desire for peace.


the israeli leadership does not care about the rocket attacks, they can put a stop to them anytime they choose. terrorism is in israel is s reaction to isreali policies, as it did not exist before 1981. on the other hand israeli brutality had been going on for decades. its simple. israel is provoking the palestinians.

concertaholicshirt

TriumphantAngel wrote:

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

I dunno, but just out of curiosity... When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the 1967 war cease to excuse the (official and unofficial) states of Palestine (from PLO to Hamas to Fatah) from the demands of international law and of common humanity? I'm just askin'.

Byrnzie

concertaholicshirt wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?

I dunno, but just out of curiosity... When does the mandate of victimhood expire? At what point does the 1967 war cease to excuse the (official and unofficial) states of Palestine (from PLO to Hamas to Fatah) from the demands of international law and of common humanity? I'm just askin'.

At the point when the illegal occupation post '67 ceases, and the ongoing land grab ceases.

We're not talking about the past here; the occupation and the illegal blockade of Gaza are happening today.

concertaholicshirt

I was being tongue-in-cheek, with a dash of snideness on top. That said, it's an endless cycle. But I stand by my assertion that it takes two to tango, and a tango it is... it ain't a solo performance.

gimmesometruth27

if isreal would pull out of the settlements there may be peace. isreal will not pull out, so the cycle continues and it is perpetuated by isreal's stealing of and occupation of palestinian land. isreal would not exist as it is today if not for the un basically creating their statehood.

concertaholicshirt

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if isreal would pull out of the settlements there may be peace...

As much as I wish I could agree with you, I just don't believe that to be the case. Perhaps I'm a victim of Zionist propaganda, but I sort of get the impression that every time the Israelis do cede back some property or ease up on restrictions, instead of gratitude and reciprocity coming their way, it's mortars and suicide bombers that come back. Again... we can debate for a lifetime as to whether it's justified, provoked or whatever, but that does seem to be the standard operating procedure in play. Don't know how that's overcome :(

gimmesometruth27

concertaholicshirt wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if isreal would pull out of the settlements there may be peace...

As much as I wish I could agree with you, I just don't believe that to be the case. Perhaps I'm a victim of Zionist propaganda, but I sort of get the impression that every time the Israelis do cede back some property or ease up on restrictions, instead of gratitude and reciprocity coming their way, it's mortars and suicide bombers that come back. Again... we can debate for a lifetime as to whether it's justified, provoked or whatever, but that does seem to be the standard operating procedure in play. Don't know how that's overcome :(

if you want peace you have to work for it. peace is not something that falls out of the sky. pull back to the original borders if you are serious about peace. if isreal does not do that then they do not truely desire peace. you cant have peace at the barrel of a gun nor can you have peace with your boot across someone's throat.

concertaholicshirt

Seemed to work pretty good with the Japanese and Germans That bit of my assholery aside, I think you are missing the gravity of what I said. Each time the Israelis try to give something back, they are attacked. If I say, "Look, I'll give you 5 acres. If that goes well, I'll give you another 5," and then you kick me in the balls almost everyday after I give you the first 5 acres, I'm probably not going to give you anything else back.

TriumphantAngel

concertaholicshirt wrote:

Seemed to work pretty good with the Japanese and Germans That bit of my assholery aside, I think you are missing the gravity of what I said. Each time the Israelis try to give something back, they are attacked. If I say, "Look, I'll give you 5 acres. If that goes well, I'll give you another 5," and then you kick me in the balls almost everyday after I give you the first 5 acres, I'm probably not going to give you anything else back.

probably not going to give anything else back?

so on your logic, someone can come and steal your house and land. they can then come and tell you if you are a good boy they will give you your front door back. then if you still don't make any fuss, in 6 months you can have your windows back.

get real.

how about give back what is rightfully theirs to start with. just give it the fuck back. there are people there just trying to live their life in peace, forced to live in apartheid conditions. ordinary beautiful people, families and children. the cruel and inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people has to end.

Byrnzie

concertaholicshirt wrote:

every time the Israelis do cede back some property or ease up on restrictions, instead of gratitude and reciprocity coming their way, it's mortars and suicide bombers that come back.(

Care to provide an example?

Byrnzie

concertaholicshirt wrote:

Each time the Israelis try to give something back, they are attacked.

What have they given back?

Edit: I just noticed your careful use of the word 'try', so I'll rephrase my question: When has Israel 'tried' to give something back?