a look back at Israel's criminal acts last year

Pepe Silvia

lots of clips from c-span, bbc, cnn, press conferences, news articles, footage of the area....from Israel's disgusting behavior when they started massacring Palestinians in Gaza a year ago Dec 27th.

how can they tell the populace to go to the center of Gaza for their own safety and then bomb the center of the city with 150mm shells? how can they bomb UN and Red Cross buildings then first say it's a lie, then say well there were militants there, then change their story a 3rd time to it was a targeting error and then bomb some of the same buildings again? how can they shoot civilians with white flags? how can they bomb hospitals, water treatment facilities, refugee centers, UN food aid buildings, electrical plants, run over bodies with tanks and not allow anyone in or the dead to be removed instead letting them sit and some be eaten by dogs?

over 1,000 innocent Palestinian civillians. over 100 women, over 300 children, 16 World Health Organization health personnel, 16 medical personnel,5 of the UN's UNRWA, 3 Israeli civillians and 1 World Food Programme worker were killed in this massacre. it's sickening that not only can this happen in this day and age but with my tax money and government's consent and silence. even the president elect, Obama, wouldn't say a word about it.

what would happen if Mexico did this to parts of Texas or California ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg

dimitrispearljam

its a war....u will never find right..is all shit..both partys feel the pain

fuck

dimitrispearljam wrote:

its a war....u will never find right..is all shit..both partys feel the pain

That's a shitload of fuck. It's not a war. A war is when two armies fight against eachother. This is 1.5 million people, most of whom are poor, unemployed, and malnourished, locked into a small piece of land the size of Washington DC, being bombed by one of the world's greatest militaries. Both parties feel the pain? What pain do the Israelis feel? Do they ever feel any amount of pain that is the same hemisphere as the oppression that the Palestinians are faced with? I'm not suggesting that you were even trying to say that both parties feel an equal amount of oppression. Maybe you even know the degree in which the Palestinians are oppressed, but I can judge by that statement that you don't know that it is the Israeli government that is responsible for this conflict, and it is the Israeli government that is committing mass murder under the eyes of the world.

I'm sorry, but your statement is purely moronic. It is the perfect example of a piece of shit sentence that self-righteous assholes like to say when they feel the need to comment on something and still feel 'neutral'. Yeah, you feel great when you make a neutral statement like that. You sit there sympathizing with both sides without actually doing anything to gain any true knowledge about this issue. Yes, I am assuming that you have no knowledge about this issue, and the truth is you don't. Not if you make a statement like that. It's pathetic to see people in this world pretend like they care. You should be ashamed for making such a disgusting statement at the expense of the 1400 Palestinians and over 300 children who lost their lives.

You might find that my post was a 'disproportionate response' to your post. Well that's too fucking bad for you.

dimitrispearljam

_outlaw wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

its a war....u will never find right..is all shit..both partys feel the pain

That's a shitload of fuck. It's not a war. A war is when two armies fight against eachother. This is 1.5 million people, most of whom are poor, unemployed, and malnourished, locked into a small piece of land the size of Washington DC, being bombed by one of the world's greatest militaries. Both parties feel the pain? What pain do the Israelis feel? Do they ever feel any amount of pain that is the same hemisphere as the oppression that the Palestinians are faced with? I'm not suggesting that you were even trying to say that both parties feel an equal amount of oppression. Maybe you even know the degree in which the Palestinians are oppressed, but I can judge by that statement that you don't know that it is the Israeli government that is responsible for this conflict, and it is the Israeli government that is committing mass murder under the eyes of the world.

I'm sorry, but your statement is purely moronic. It is the perfect example of a piece of shit sentence that self-righteous assholes like to say when they feel the need to comment on something and still feel 'neutral'. Yeah, you feel great when you make a neutral statement like that. You sit there sympathizing with both sides without actually doing anything to gain any true knowledge about this issue. Yes, I am assuming that you have no knowledge about this issue, and the truth is you don't. Not if you make a statement like that. It's pathetic to see people in this world pretend like they care. You should be ashamed for making such a disgusting statement at the expense of the 1400 Palestinians and over 300 children who lost their lives.

You might find that my post was a 'disproportionate response' to your post. Well that's too fucking bad for you.

1st u dont respect other opinions,and thats your problem,not mine,second u dont live there as im not ,but im closer and the palestines that leave their country comes to my country not to yours,third israelians feel the pain like the 9/11 people just go to work and a bomb explode from nowhere..from the other hand palestines are a poor people that israelians take their land and bomb them anytime they like,,
so...its a war....u will never find right..is all shit..both partys feel the pain...
like your country is in war..with terrorism,right?
+ i dont have to call u names or attack to u as a person to proove u that im right..

badbrains

Thank u Pepe and Outlaw for showing me there are people out there that know the truth and speak the truth. As for my Greek friend, u need to spend less time on this site and really find out the truth. Anyone wonder why pearl jam never play in "Israel"? Could it be there way of silentlly protesting?? The rest of the world is silent, mite as well keep the music slilent in "Israel"...all the fucken sheep need to wake up. Zionism isn't a religion, its an excuse to massacre....this isn't Muslim vs Jews, it's zionism vs the world...

dimitrispearljam

badbrains wrote:

Thank u Pepe and Outlaw for showing me there are people out there that know the truth and speak the truth. As for my Greek friend, u need to spend less time on this site and really find out the truth. Anyone wonder why pearl jam never play in "Israel"? Could it be there way of silentlly protesting?? The rest of the world is silent, mite as well keep the music slilent in "Israel"...all the fucken sheep need to wake up. Zionism isn't a religion, its an excuse to massacre....this isn't Muslim vs Jews, it's zionism vs the world...

its so bad situation..as Avganistan the bombs arrive from nowhere,and people die,btw which country help with political statement and with guns Israel all this years?not Greece,believe me..and we are the country that all this victums of war arrive in my country..we are the only country that accept and put them in our lifes..the other countries throw them to sea...my Dad every week go food to the 2 palestines families live in a basement in our street...come on..u see palestines from tv,i see them every day.....
and yes i would see them more than once if i spend less time on this site..
my opinion stays..people die ,suffer from both partys..peoples pain dont have color,or nationality

badbrains

U see them everyday??? Fuck u, my aunt married a Palestinian and I have 5 cousins that are, so dnt compare ur situation to mine. U see them everyday, learn from ur father, it seems he atleast is doing something. Ask him to tell u about the fake state of Israel. But hey as long as it's Palestine getting bombed and not Greece it's ok. Wake the fuck up man, stop living in an imaginary world. I love pearl jam as much as anyone here, and I bet I've seen them more than most in the club (59 X) last time I checked, I would love for this band to attach there name to the cause. It makes me sick that celeberties attach there names from darfur to Iraq but no one has the balls to attach it to this.....not even BONO, and not even EDDIE. That rite there should tell u and the world something. As one of my favorite frontman once said,"read between the lines....". U figure out who said that.

dimitrispearljam

badbrains wrote:

U see them everyday??? Fuck u, my aunt married a Palestinian and I have 5 cousins that are, so dnt compare ur situation to mine. U see them everyday, learn from ur father, it seems he atleast is doing something. Ask him to tell u about the fake state of Israel. But hey as long as it's Palestine getting bombed and not Greece it's ok. Wake the fuck up man, stop living in an imaginary world. I love pearl jam as much as anyone here, and I bet I've seen them more than most in the club (59 X) last time I checked, I would love for this band to attach there name to the cause. It makes me sick that celeberties attach there names from darfur to Iraq but no one has the balls to attach it to this.....not even BONO, and not even EDDIE. That rite there should tell u and the world something. As one of my favorite frontman once said,"read between the lines....". U figure out who said that.

i respect all opinions,dont have to say anything in this tone for put my opinion over anyone else..once again,even your aunt wife is palestinian,or israelian,they leave in a place,not safe,people die,families are in pain..where u dont live in Peace all are shit..im not gonna solve political history here..i see the result now..all the empires do the same..make wars ,want to be the boss.. ....u see on tv.or some of u see with your eyes the 9/11..people die .people suffer.but u never see that people do that attack loose their family,in smart bombs..cant u see that is a circle?if u think that Israelians are the bad guys fro all world bad things happen,what can i say?maybe only this...USA is the country that support them from 1948..to make this fake country

rafie

Just wondering why all the people crying out about Israel attacking in Gaza never seem to remember the fact that what provoked the attack was 7 years of rocket attacks from Gaza by the Hamas towards civilians all over the southern part of Israel. Over 1 million Israelis lived in fear for 7 years that a rocket would fall on their house. Tens of thousands of children grew up with the sounds of sirens warning them that a rocket was about to hit, schools and day care centers being bombarded by tens of thousands of rockets, mortars and missiles every year. Fact is, since the military opperation in Gaza, over a million Israelis have gone back to living real life without constant fear of being attacked. How would you want your country to respond if your neighbors shot missiles at you every day?
As for the loss of life on the Palestinian side, of course there will casualties of innocent civilians and children. That is what happens when the terrorists set up operations from a school playground, mosque and crowded civilian areas.
Israel is perhaps the most humane army in the world. As someone who actively serves in reserve duty every year, I have witnessed soldiers getting attacked or worse because they wanted to help the Palestinians that they came in contact with.


One more reminder in case anyone forgot, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza entirely over 5 years ago leaving no civilian or military presence in the area. The Hamas party was elected by the citizens of Gaza to be their leaders, but instead of concentrating their efforts towards helping the poor and hungry living there, they focus on attacking Israel.

I know that no matter what they hear, the antisemitic hate mongers in the world will continue to bash Israel for trying to protect her citizens from unprovoked terrorist attacks, but If you are going to insult, slander and attack people for not agreeing with you saying that they are "not informed of the facts", you should at least recognize that there are 2 sides in every story and know them both.

Byrnzie

badbrains wrote:

I would love for this band to attach there name to the cause. It makes me sick that celeberties attach there names from darfur to Iraq but no one has the balls to attach it to this.....not even BONO, and not even EDDIE.

+1

Byrnzie

rafie wrote:

Just wondering why all the people crying out about Israel attacking in Gaza never seem to remember the fact that what provoked the attack was 7 years of rocket attacks from Gaza by the Hamas towards civilians all over the southern part of Israel.

Actually, what provoked the attack was a planned invasion about 6 months before the ceasefire which Israel broke on November 4th 2008.

Read on:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/excellent-analysis/
Israel’s Lies

01.29.2009 | The London Review of Books
By Henry Siegman

'...Israel, not Hamas, violated the truce: Hamas undertook to stop firing rockets into Israel; in return, Israel was to ease its throttlehold on Gaza. In fact, during the truce, it tightened it further. This was confirmed not only by every neutral international observer and NGO on the scene but by Brigadier General (Res.) Shmuel Zakai, a former commander of the IDF’s Gaza Division. In an interview in Ha’aretz on 22 December, he accused Israel’s government of having made a ‘central error’ during the tahdiyeh, the six-month period of relative truce, by failing ‘to take advantage of the calm to improve, rather than markedly worsen, the economic plight of the Palestinians of the Strip . . . When you create a tahdiyeh, and the economic pressure on the Strip continues,’ General Zakai said, ‘it is obvious that Hamas will try to reach an improved tahdiyeh, and that their way to achieve this is resumed Qassam fire . . . You cannot just land blows, leave the Palestinians in Gaza in the economic distress they’re in, and expect that Hamas will just sit around and do nothing.’

The truce, which began in June last year and was due for renewal in December, required both parties to refrain from violent action against the other. Hamas had to cease its rocket assaults and prevent the firing of rockets by other groups such as Islamic Jihad (even Israel’s intelligence agencies acknowledged this had been implemented with surprising effectiveness), and Israel had to put a stop to its targeted assassinations and military incursions. This understanding was seriously violated on 4 November, when the IDF entered Gaza and killed six members of Hamas. Hamas responded by launching Qassam rockets and Grad missiles. Even so, it offered to extend the truce, but only on condition that Israel ended its blockade. Israel refused. It could have met its obligation to protect its citizens by agreeing to ease the blockade, but it didn’t even try. It cannot be said that Israel launched its assault to protect its citizens from rockets. It did so to protect its right to continue the strangulation of Gaza’s population...'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja ... -palestine

How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe

Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state's legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions

Avi Shlaim - The Guardian, Wednesday 7 January 2009

rafie wrote:

Israel is perhaps the most humane army in the world.

Not according to the IDF it isn't:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel
Israeli soldiers tell of indiscriminate killings by army and a culture of impunity
The Guardian, Tuesday 6 September 2005

From a distance of 70 metres and through the sight of his machine gun, Assaf could tell that the Palestinian man was aged between 20 and 30, unarmed and trying to get away from an Israeli tank. But the details didn't matter much, because Assaf's orders were to "fire at anything that moved".

Assaf, a soldier in the Israeli army, pressed the trigger, firing scores of bullets as the body fell to the ground. "He ran and I started shooting for a few seconds. He fell. I was a machine. I fire. I leave and that's that. We never spoke about it afterwards."

It was the summer of 2002, and Assaf and his armoured unit had been ordered to enter the Gaza town of Dir al Balah following the firing of mortars into nearby Jewish settlements. His orders were, he told the Guardian, "'Every person you see on the street, kill him'. And we would just do it."...'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/06/israel1
Israeli troops say they were given shoot-to-kill order
The Guardian, Tuesday 6 September 2005

Some of the soldiers, who also spoke to the Guardian, say they acted on standing orders in some parts of the Palestinian territories to open fire on people regardless of whether they were armed or not, or posed any physical threat.

The soldiers say that in some situations they were ordered to shoot anyone who appeared on a roof or a balcony, anyone who appeared to be kneeling to the ground or anyone who appeared on the street at a designated time. Among those killed by soldiers acting on the orders were young children...'

http://www.jerusalemites.org/articles/e ... 004/19.htm
Killing children is no longer a big deal
Gideon Levy - October.19.2004

rafie wrote:

One more reminder in case anyone forgot, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza entirely over 5 years ago leaving no civilian or military presence in the area.

Yeah, sure, of course they did.

'In a study entitled 'One Big Prison', the respected Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem observed that the crippling economic arrangements Israel had imposed on Gaza would remain in place. In addition, Israel would continue to maintain absolute control over Gaza's land borders, coastline, and airspace, and the Israeli army would continue to operate in Gaza. "So long as these methods of control remain in Israeli hands," B'Tselem concluded, "Israel's claim of 'an end of the Occupation' is questionable". HRW (Human Rights Watch) was even more emphatic that evacuating settlers and troops from inside Gaza would not end the occupation: "Whether the Israeli army is inside Gaza or redeployed around it's periphery, and restricting entrance and exit, it remains in control."

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/D ... y/4222.htm
Key Sharon advisor: "disengagement" aims to stop Palestinian state
By Israel Insider staff and partners October 6, 2004

In a stunning admission, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser said that the purpose of the Israeli government's policy was to supend diplomatic moves to establish a Palestinian state. "The significance of the 'disengagement' plan is the freezing of the peace process," Dov Weissglas told Haaretz.

Weissglas, an initiator of the plan, explained that the deep freeze would prevent implementation of the "Road Map" backed by the Quartet of the United States, Russia, EU and UN: "when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress."

"The disengagement is actually formaldehyde," he said. "It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians."...'

rafie wrote:

I know that no matter what they hear, the antisemitic hate mongers in the world will continue to bash Israel for trying to protect her citizens from unprovoked terrorist attacks

If Israel wanted to protect it's citizens then it would end the occupation and fortify it's internationally recognized 1967 borders, instead of stealing more and more land and rejecting international law and the will of the international community - excluding the U.S.

badbrains

I will bet anything Rafie is either Jewish or lives in fake Israel. There is no way on earth anyone can defend fake Israel, period....this problem started the day that fake country was created....and dnt EVER forget that fake Israel was created WITH terrorism...look back at all there prime ministers and study about them. Then maybe you'll get a fucken clue...will some celeberty ever get the balls to stand up and take a side?? It's hard to believe a group of people who were almost exterminated have it in there souls to put there cousins in concentration camps and practise genocide against them. Unbelievable that a world stands silent... It's also amazing to me that we teach our kids in school about the holocust for a week yet we spend 2 days max on civil war. And we hardly mention "Palestine". What a joke, but like I said, read between the lines....and fucken wake up already!!!!!

rafie

badbrains wrote:

I will bet anything Rafie is either Jewish or lives in fake Israel. There is no way on earth anyone can defend fake Israel,

I never denied being an Israeli. If you were not so busy with spewing hatred you would have seen that I wrote in my previous post that I am an active reserve soldier in the IDF.

Byrnzie wrote:

If Israel wanted to protect it's citizens then it would end the occupation and fortify it's internationally recognized 1967 borders, instead of stealing more and more land and rejecting international law and the will of the international community - excluding the U.S.

The problem with going to the 1967 borders is that "the west bank" was Jordanian territory back then. Israel has had peace with Jordan for nearly 20 years. During all that time, Jordan never said that they wanted the west bank.
As for stealing more land, Israels borders have gotten smaller since the 1967 war: The Sinai peninsula was given to Egypt during the peace process, In the early 90's The P.L.O recieved control over extended areas in the west bank, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak offered Yassir Arafat over 90% of the west bank during peace talks in the year 2000, Israeli leaders have been saying year after year that they are prepared to start peace talks with any arab nation with "a clean sleight" and so on.
The Israeli people want nothing more than to live in peace with our neighbors, thousands of Israeli tourists visit Egypt and Jordan every year. If the world wants to help the palestinan people, they should focus more on the people living in poverty while their "leaders" live in wealth than focusing on "how horrible Israel is".

P.S.

badbrains wrote:

lives in fake Israel

What does that even mean?

badbrains

Spewing hatred???? U guys spew more hatred then anyother group of people. Strike that, Zionists spew more hatred then any other people... And since ur an Israeli, y dnt u clearify how many un sanctions have u guys laughed at?? And funny how u dnt say anything about all ur prime ministers being terrerists. I hope that if there is a god, Ariel Sharon is being tortured in his sleep every min from someone he directlly or indirectlly killed...I swear he is the anti-Christ!!!! In a coma for how long now??? And still not dead???? Ohand since ur idf, isn't illegal under any law in the world to use phosphurus on civilians??? I bet ur going to say it's Hamas who's using them rite???? Oh ya that's rite, laws of the world dnt pertain to Israel cuz it's a fake country... But hey it's also ok for them to stockpile over 200 nuclear bombs (even pointed at USA) but no one else has the rite to.. Bro ur so called country has 3 villages of my people in it( kopher kahman) I'm no Palestinian, I'm a human being and what ur so called country is doing to them is ungodly. People that do things like urcountry dnt believe in god period.....god damn it man, after what Hitler did to ur people, u guys go and do it to other "Semitic" people like u...I will go head to head with u about anything to do with ur so called country...look up the stern gang, who was there leader way back when...what crimes did he do??? What was his request for his 21st bday gift???? Tell us all, were dying to know.....in no way am I anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Zionist... Anyone who calls people who disagree with fake israel isn't "anti-Semitic", look up the real meaning. A semit is someone from that land, so ur so called cousins u slaughter are Semites so I guess since ur in idf and have killed palestinians I'm assuming, then that would make u rafie an anti-Semite....wake up

Anon

I find it hard to defend a person that plants a bomb on a civilian bus. But hey that's just me.

ogre1213

JB811 wrote:

I find it hard to defend a person that plants a bomb on a civilian bus. But hey that's just me.

amen

gimmesometruth27

JB811 wrote:

I find it hard to defend a person that plants a bomb on a civilian bus. But hey that's just me.

who did this? i don't know if this is a generalization or what. nobody is asking you to defend anybody.

i wonder if you can defend the use of phosphorus rounds and depleted uranium?

SunshineBurn

"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind" -Gandhi

So much pain, so much violence and bloodshed, when will it end? When will we, as a human race, wake up and realize that we are all One connected consciousness? That to hurt, maim, attack, or kill any single piece of the whole is only a self-inflicted abuse? When will we surrender to the infinite power of Love as an answer to our desperate cries for Peace and Harmony?

I don't know... I hope we, as a collective, understand the consequences of our actions soon......

TriumphantAngel

JB811 wrote:

I find it hard to defend a person that plants a bomb on a civilian bus. But hey that's just me.

i find it hard to defend a foreign power that continues to ensure daily inhumane injustices against 1.5 million ordinary palestinian people. the same people who have already suffered 60 years of physical and psychological violence and oppression.

as i already stated in another post, a foreign power that violently occupies their homeland, bulldozes their houses at gun-point, uproots their olive groves at gun-point, sets up hundreds of armed checkpoints to disrupt normal life, batters down villagers front doors in the dead of night at gun-point, builds an illegal ‘separation’ wall to annex their territory, steals their water and isolate their communities, builds illegal settlements and blockades exports and imports to cause economic ruin.....

i also find it hard to defend the US, who, by the way, have given more money to Israel than to any other country, and gives one-third of the American foreign-aid budget to Israel, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes.

no doubt you are also aware, the money we send is used to fund those bombs Israel used to slaughter some of the 1400 Palestinians murdered in January this year. they had our name on them. love from america. we should be more ashamed than usual.

end the blockade of Gaza. free Palestine. boycott Israel.

dimitrispearljam

SunshineBurn wrote:

"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind" -Gandhi

So much pain, so much violence and bloodshed, when will it end? When will we, as a human race, wake up and realize that we are all One connected consciousness? That to hurt, maim, attack, or kill any single piece of the whole is only a self-inflicted abuse? When will we surrender to the infinite power of Love as an answer to our desperate cries for Peace and Harmony?

I don't know... I hope we, as a collective, understand the consequences of our actions soon......

AMEN!!!!!!

fuck

SunshineBurn wrote:

"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind" -Gandhi

This quote is applicable to cases involving revenge. How is revenge relevant to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? This is a conflict based on the fact that Israel refuses to adhere to any international and humanitarian laws.