soo ... now christmas is about saving the economy?? ...
we soooo live in a false existence ... sad really ... oh well - whatever it is, at least this is a time that some people take time to ponder what truly is important ...
I never said Christmas is saving anything...
I asked if anyone knew what percentage of retailers profits are made during ther Christmas season....
How many of those retailers put college kids, high school kids, people looking for part time work, to work for a couple months???
actually you kinda did.....
If people didnt go out and buy the Clappers and gifts made in China...
If little Johnny didnt get his power ranger doll....
If little Mary didnt get her little Barbie doll....
If Christmas in the USA didnt exist...
What would happen to the economy??
How many retailers would be out of business???
How many college kids who come home to work the holiday month.....Would be shit out of luck????
How many full time employees would be let go.....If the Christmas shopping season didnt exist????
People should be fucking thrilled that a large majority of us have NO FUCKING PROBLEM going out and spending a weeks pay on Christmas gifts for our loved ones.....
usually when people use multiple ? it means they have their minds made up towards the question. especially when you concluded it by saying 'people should be fucking thrilled that a large majority go shopping. so, why should we be thrilled? because you are implying by doing this they are keeping the economy afloat. if not that then why else should we be thrilled for it?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Nothing better than seeing the looks on friends and family's faces when you get them something they really want.
People are just in a better mood this time of year as well.
i thought there were more suicides this time of year?
edit that appears to just be a popular myth...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/pai ... 0_ST_N.htm
Study after study shows no such link; in fact, suicide numbers peak in the spring and may even dip in December, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Still, the holiday suicide myth has amazing staying power.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
WOW there's certainly a whole variety of opinions on this, and I love reading it all. I say each to his own. But I am a christmas lover. Always have been, always will. Growing up christmas was always a 4hr drive interstate in 35C+ heat in an unairconditioned car with vinyl seats, to see all of my cousins, aunts, uncles and grandparents. It was the one time of year that our entire family made the effort to all be in the same place at the same time. I can always remember my Nan making christmas pudding with sixpences in it.
Now, it;s spending the day with my family..my son, brother, sis-in-law, parents and nephews. And again, we always make the time to spend it together and enjoy beautiful food and each others company. Yes we do presents, and we have $ limit. For me giving a gift at xmas isn't about self gratification or giving in to any pressure to spend, it's more of " I love you, and I appreciate who you you are and who you are becoming". I love to give gifts, especially to my family, and I do it throughout the year, not just xmas. My brother holds a very stressful position, and I have given him gift vouchers for movies and massages (relaxation ones) etc just because I love him, and think he works really hard and deserves a bit of down time. Som in that respect, christmas is also, "downtime" for our family. Nothing else is a priority on xmas day, just spending the day together and forgetting about everyhting else, for just one day! It's nice.
Then Boxing Day is the day we spend with friends and have a bbq and cricket match... there's kids running around everywhere having a great time. We don't give gifts, everyone brings something to share be it salads, meats, desserts, drinks. We have a top day...so the day is again, about sharing time and laughter together.
I love christmas. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all...even the Grinches
This year i'm making a scrapbook for my boyfriend instead of buying him anything, and a few small gifts for the parents (bottle of wine, etc) nothing big. I also usually make my own cards... birthday, christmas, new years... I don't think in my entire life I've ever bought a hallmark card (or any store bought card)...
And the family is doing a vacation in the spring to Japan instead of gifts...
My best friend's mom finished her shopping by November, she spent over 2000k on her family, not even including immediate family!! They're all about that... its nuts.
I was trying for the longest time to remember the name of this movie. Somebody on here had an avatar for that movie, I think it was Vinny G.
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I never said I dont like what you write....
I said I question what you write......
The problem here is simple...
YOU dont like to be questioned on your beliefs and attitudes....It makes you defensive and insulting....
YOU are the one who says we should ask questions and not act like sheep...
But when YOU are questioned....
Well....
We know what happens......
I love being questioned, how not to grow if you can't ponder why you believe what you believe.
And I've answered all of your questions in the past, too bad it's not to your pleasing.
And the word "Giftmas" is not the same as "Christmas". Read between the lines. Giftmas is what Christmas has become...a focus on consumerism and gifts, rather that the real meaning behind the holiday.
You are so correct, I do believe Christmas is about the birth and celebration of Jesus Christ, am i right on that? It seems to have been lost in the sauce and has become as you say *Giftmas*. I like that terminology, it's appropriate to what this season has become.
Peace
But to those that are of the non-religious ilk, X-Mas is a time of getting people gifts that they want. Seeing friends and family. Getting dressed up and going to parties. You know having fun and enjoying the season.
Lets try to act like adults here...
And just let it go......
Fair enough????
Quit targeting me, Speedy. It's obvious, and do you really want to talk about immaturity here?
Talking about me on another forum and then coming back here to talk about it? Really, now.
You. Let it go.
He never said he talked about you on another forum. :idea:
soo ... now Christmas is about saving the economy?? ...
we soooo live in a false existence ... sad really ... oh well - whatever it is, at least this is a time that some people take time to ponder what truly is important ...
I never said Christmas is saving anything...
I asked if anyone knew what percentage of retailers profits are made during ther Christmas season....
How many of those retailers put college kids, high school kids, people looking for part time work, to work for a couple months???
actually you kinda did.....
If people didnt go out and buy the Clappers and gifts made in China...
If little Johnny didnt get his power ranger doll....
If little Mary didnt get her little Barbie doll....
If Christmas in the USA didnt exist...
What would happen to the economy??
How many retailers would be out of business???
How many college kids who come home to work the holiday month.....Would be shit out of luck????
How many full time employees would be let go.....If the Christmas shopping season didnt exist????
People should be fucking thrilled that a large majority of us have NO FUCKING PROBLEM going out and spending a weeks pay on Christmas gifts for our loved ones.....
usually when people use multiple ? it means they have their minds made up towards the question. especially when you concluded it by saying 'people should be fucking thrilled that a large majority go shopping. so, why should we be thrilled? because you are implying by doing this they are keeping the economy afloat. if not that then why else should we be thrilled for it?
I don't know if anybody has already said this but...while shopping and gift exchanging is all fine and dandy
the real reason we celebrate this time of year is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and to remember
why he gave his life here on earth for us.
Godfather.
they live, which is now at the top of my netflix queue
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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It's strange the few times this movie comes I get stuck watching it. Maybe there's some truth to it. It has former wrestler Roddy Piper trying his best to act.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
as is tradition, just watched A Charlie Brown Christmas, which was made in 1965. even then, charlie brown denounces the consumerism around christmas.
So does the Grinch and other meaningful Christmas programs. But there's also the sponsors and advertisers...it's pretty quickly people forget what the message these shows put out.
What exactly would Jesus buy?
as is tradition, just watched A Charlie Brown Christmas, which was made in 1965. even then, charlie brown denounces the consumerism around christmas.
So does the Grinch and other meaningful Christmas programs. But there's also the sponsors and advertisers...it's pretty quickly people forget what the message these shows put out.
What exactly would Jesus buy?
i know....i was simply pointing out this is nothing new. sponsors and advertisers, well that's what they do, isn't it? it's up to consumers to make choices for themselves if they will buy into it and consume more. i like to give people a little bit more credit that they are making choices they want to, not simply b/c they are a target demographic for advertisers. all sorts of people choose to celebrate, or not, in all sorts of ways.
you really could not get parents who were anymore religious and observant as my parents, and yet they did the whole santa thing, and we got buried in gifts on christmas. we also were taught to give to others, which we did at christmas and thruout the year, and were taught responsibility. it's possible to do both. nowadays, as mostly all adults our holidays are very much scaled down on the consumerist side - tho gifts are still given - but the spirit of the holidays remain intact, as do the celebrations.
I hate the holidays for this reason! The commercialism. It IS what it IS and there is nothing I can do about it, except not participate, which I don't to the most I can get away with.
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actually you kinda did.....
usually when people use multiple ? it means they have their minds made up towards the question. especially when you concluded it by saying 'people should be fucking thrilled that a large majority go shopping. so, why should we be thrilled? because you are implying by doing this they are keeping the economy afloat. if not that then why else should we be thrilled for it?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I totally agree.
Nothing better than seeing the looks on friends and family's faces when you get them something they really want.
People are just in a better mood this time of year as well.
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i thought there were more suicides this time of year?
edit that appears to just be a popular myth...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/pai ... 0_ST_N.htm
Study after study shows no such link; in fact, suicide numbers peak in the spring and may even dip in December, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Still, the holiday suicide myth has amazing staying power.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Now, it;s spending the day with my family..my son, brother, sis-in-law, parents and nephews. And again, we always make the time to spend it together and enjoy beautiful food and each others company. Yes we do presents, and we have $ limit. For me giving a gift at xmas isn't about self gratification or giving in to any pressure to spend, it's more of " I love you, and I appreciate who you you are and who you are becoming". I love to give gifts, especially to my family, and I do it throughout the year, not just xmas. My brother holds a very stressful position, and I have given him gift vouchers for movies and massages (relaxation ones) etc just because I love him, and think he works really hard and deserves a bit of down time. Som in that respect, christmas is also, "downtime" for our family. Nothing else is a priority on xmas day, just spending the day together and forgetting about everyhting else, for just one day! It's nice.
Then Boxing Day is the day we spend with friends and have a bbq and cricket match... there's kids running around everywhere having a great time. We don't give gifts, everyone brings something to share be it salads, meats, desserts, drinks. We have a top day...so the day is again, about sharing time and laughter together.
I love christmas. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all...even the Grinches
And the family is doing a vacation in the spring to Japan instead of gifts...
My best friend's mom finished her shopping by November, she spent over 2000k on her family, not even including immediate family!! They're all about that... its nuts.
I was trying for the longest time to remember the name of this movie. Somebody on here had an avatar for that movie, I think it was Vinny G.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
But to those that are of the non-religious ilk, X-Mas is a time of getting people gifts that they want. Seeing friends and family. Getting dressed up and going to parties. You know having fun and enjoying the season.
He never said he talked about you on another forum. :idea:
Hey Byrnzie, what movie is this?
Debatable!!!
I don't know if anybody has already said this but...while shopping and gift exchanging is all fine and dandy
the real reason we celebrate this time of year is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and to remember
why he gave his life here on earth for us.
Godfather.
they live, which is now at the top of my netflix queue
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
It's strange the few times this movie comes I get stuck watching it. Maybe there's some truth to it. It has former wrestler Roddy Piper trying his best to act.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
It sure was me.
The movie is not without some cheese, but it makes a great point.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
put me down as pro-xmas....I like getting gifts for folks...I don't expect any in return...
I picked up my gift this weekend...a 40inch HDTV...yup, I'm a dirty consumer...
I figure as the world goes to shit...the least I can do is watch it crumble in High Def...
you rock !!!!
Godfather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvjGIkl2 ... _embedded#
What exactly would Jesus buy?
Pepe answered your question.
It's 'They Live'. It's a classic. You should check it out. It has the maddest fist-fight scene I've ever seen in a movie.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ZaRoFF/95885951739?created#!/profile.php?id=100001560978213
i know....i was simply pointing out this is nothing new. sponsors and advertisers, well that's what they do, isn't it? it's up to consumers to make choices for themselves if they will buy into it and consume more. i like to give people a little bit more credit that they are making choices they want to, not simply b/c they are a target demographic for advertisers. all sorts of people choose to celebrate, or not, in all sorts of ways.
you really could not get parents who were anymore religious and observant as my parents, and yet they did the whole santa thing, and we got buried in gifts on christmas. we also were taught to give to others, which we did at christmas and thruout the year, and were taught responsibility. it's possible to do both. nowadays, as mostly all adults our holidays are very much scaled down on the consumerist side - tho gifts are still given - but the spirit of the holidays remain intact, as do the celebrations.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Fucking love this movie. It has some of my all-time favorite lines (might be off a bit...):
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... And I'm all out of bubble gum!"
"Life's a bitch, and she's back in heat."
And the final scene as he's dying when when he flips them off... AWESOME.