well yea it's funny if you think Shaq is a top 5 player of all time when he is not even top 5 that has played for 1 franchise itself. stick to soccer big guy.
well yea it's funny if you think Shaq is a top 5 player of all time when he is not even top 5 that has played for 1 franchise itself. stick to soccer big guy.
I try to stay out of the arguments on this thread for the most part, but you’re way out of line here.
Shaq’s numbers in the three Finals from 2000-2002 are other-worldly. That stretch of years is some of the most jaw dropping dominance in the history of basketball. Even if he only played those 3 years with those numbers, it would still be laughable to even say his name in the same sentence as Ben Simmons at this point of his career.
well yea it's funny if you think Shaq is a top 5 player of all time when he is not even top 5 that has played for 1 franchise itself. stick to soccer big guy.
I try to stay out of the arguments on this thread for the most part, but you’re way out of line here.
Shaq’s numbers in the three Finals from 2000-2002 are other-worldly. That stretch of years is some of the most jaw dropping dominance in the history of basketball. Even if he only played those 3 years with those numbers, it would still be laughable to even say his name in the same sentence as Ben Simmons at this point of his career.
Complete and utter nonsense.
huh, what are you talking about? I didn't compare Ben Simmons to Shaq. All I said was that Shaq talking about Ben not working on his game is a little hypocritical since you know Shaq didn't really improve his game. And his free throw shooting was so bad they literally had to change the rules.
And if anyone thinks Shaq was better than LeBron, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Wilt and Jerry West they are fucking morons. So yea to say Shaq is one of the greatest 5 players of all time when he is not 1 of the 5 greatest players to play for the Lakers they are behind help.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
No, he's just slurping for Ben because Lizard Brain makes the connection of abhorring The Process with now finding any reason to defend anything anti-Process, such as the case with Mr. Dumb Dumb here feeling a need to defend Ben against two hall of fame players who have won championships. And I know you're selective in your arguments, so I'll say again - Chuck left town because he wasn't getting paid. Something this fucking overentitled brat got before he even showed the stats. Chuck was shown the door because Harold Katz was a fucking cheapskate.
It's like how he'd bring up Ryan Howard and Andy Reid's names in anything. Like how my father in law can usurp any benign conversation into a Jesus Christ Fox News segment ("Did the Phillies win? Oh yeah? Yeah, I'll tell you who's not winning. The American people. Those chem trails up there in the sky? Obama. The Muslim terrorists want you to think abortion is ok.")
And we're seriously gonna sit here and thumb our assholes of where Shaq ranks? Top 5, top 10? Who gives a fuck? The stats are marginal vs most of these guys, sans Lebron because Lebron is the exception to almost every and all rules. Shaq was a beast and one of the greatest centers to play the game.
There is no hypocrisy because both Shaq and Chuck proved it on the court, and whatever deficiencies they may have had found other ways to compensate to win. Ben does not. Stop reaching.
Between them: multiple rings, first ballot hall of famers, MVPs (multiple). Like what the fuck are we talking about here? Chuck and Shaq can talk all the shit they want on Ben and they're not wrong.
More importantly, to everyone else, ignore this dumb dumb. Like I said, made for a great morning of reading to start the day.
I don't think Chuck won a championship. He was still an awesome player - just in a tough era.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Criticizing Barkley and Shaq's careers (lol), instead of actually responding to their accurate criticisms of Mr. August is a clear indicator of a weak point of view and just an attempt to waste people's time in yet another dumb argument.
No, he's just slurping for Ben because Lizard Brain makes the connection of abhorring The Process with now finding any reason to defend anything anti-Process, such as the case with Mr. Dumb Dumb here feeling a need to defend Ben against two hall of fame players who have won championships. And I know you're selective in your arguments, so I'll say again - Chuck left town because he wasn't getting paid. Something this fucking overentitled brat got before he even showed the stats. Chuck was shown the door because Harold Katz was a fucking cheapskate.
It's like how he'd bring up Ryan Howard and Andy Reid's names in anything. Like how my father in law can usurp any benign conversation into a Jesus Christ Fox News segment ("Did the Phillies win? Oh yeah? Yeah, I'll tell you who's not winning. The American people. Those chem trails up there in the sky? Obama. The Muslim terrorists want you to think abortion is ok.")
And we're seriously gonna sit here and thumb our assholes of where Shaq ranks? Top 5, top 10? Who gives a fuck? The stats are marginal vs most of these guys, sans Lebron because Lebron is the exception to almost every and all rules. Shaq was a beast and one of the greatest centers to play the game.
There is no hypocrisy because both Shaq and Chuck proved it on the court, and whatever deficiencies they may have had found other ways to compensate to win. Ben does not. Stop reaching.
Between them: multiple rings, first ballot hall of famers, MVPs (multiple). Like what the fuck are we talking about here? Chuck and Shaq can talk all the shit they want on Ben and they're not wrong.
More importantly, to everyone else, ignore this dumb dumb. Like I said, made for a great morning of reading to start the day.
well first off Cliffy said Shaq was top 5 or top 10. that is where that comment came from. But pick and choose what to pick on.
and I haven't defended Ben since the playoffs. I still think he is great and the Sixers will most likely be a worse team when he is gone.
but hey it's cool to call me names, it doesn't bother me. just don't be like the other guy and be a tattle tale when the shoe is on the other foot if that every happens.
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
You are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. That is what makes sports great. But isn't it interesting that when the Lakers had to choose between Shaq and Kobe they chose Kobe and got rid of Shaq?
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
You are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. That is what makes sports great. But isn't it interesting that when the Lakers had to choose between Shaq and Kobe they chose Kobe and got rid of Shaq?
When they chose to stick with the guy that was just entering his prime vs. the guy that was exiting his prime? Yeah, what a head scratcher.
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
Mmmmm.....I don't know man. Couple of top tenner's for sure, though. Tough to compare a center and guard.
Well my argument is predicated on the admission that Kobe was very distinctly Robin to Shaq’s Batman during the 3-peat. It was not 1A and 1B like some people like to argue now. Kobe was still very young at that point, and he wasn’t going to carry a team to the Finals if Shaq wasn’t there. Shaq, on the other hand, I believe could have still won those 3 rings with just about any other all-star reserve quality player.
I have several other reasons I would say Shaq > Kobe that I don’t feel like typing up right now. I’d say Shaq falls somewhere in the 7-10 range while Kobe is more like 11-13.
yeah, it is. you have one #1 left from your bazillion picks.
And he's a top 5 player in the game, who just put up one of the best season's in franchise history. They were a 1 seed who underachieved (because of Ben) but this was pretty much the only team since Dr J left (almost 40 years ago) who had a legit chance to win it all. The whole point of tanking a few years was to get that kind of player or players that would put them in that position. As currently constructed, they're still a top 2 or 3 seed in the East right now anyway.
Plus he just signed an extension so....yeah it's far from over.
Stop it. Please stop trying to justify the process...
If they can win a chip I will give them partial credit.
He changes the argument to suit the current status of the Process. Originally it was to win a championship. Now that they still have not gone further in the playoffs than they did before the Process started the argument has changed to it was to acquire stars. After they trade Simmons they will most likely then have 1 star left after what 8 years of the process? And that 1 star can't stay on the court. But yea Trust the Process.
‘zactly.
coulda just drafted the true ROY at #12
If I had known then what I know now...
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
yeah, it is. you have one #1 left from your bazillion picks.
And he's a top 5 player in the game, who just put up one of the best season's in franchise history. They were a 1 seed who underachieved (because of Ben) but this was pretty much the only team since Dr J left (almost 40 years ago) who had a legit chance to win it all. The whole point of tanking a few years was to get that kind of player or players that would put them in that position. As currently constructed, they're still a top 2 or 3 seed in the East right now anyway.
Plus he just signed an extension so....yeah it's far from over.
Stop it. Please stop trying to justify the process...
If they can win a chip I will give them partial credit.
He changes the argument to suit the current status of the Process. Originally it was to win a championship. Now that they still have not gone further in the playoffs than they did before the Process started the argument has changed to it was to acquire stars. After they trade Simmons they will most likely then have 1 star left after what 8 years of the process? And that 1 star can't stay on the court. But yea Trust the Process.
‘zactly.
coulda just drafted the true ROY at #12
Sure. He won the ROY and Trump won the election. Lol.
Unfortunately Ben has plateaued or even gotten worse since then and Don’s improved his game so…fuck the Jazz. They’re still just okay. Lol
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
Mmmmm.....I don't know man. Couple of top tenner's for sure, though. Tough to compare a center and guard.
Well my argument is predicated on the admission that Kobe was very distinctly Robin to Shaq’s Batman during the 3-peat. It was not 1A and 1B like some people like to argue now. Kobe was still very young at that point, and he wasn’t going to carry a team to the Finals if Shaq wasn’t there. Shaq, on the other hand, I believe could have still won those 3 rings with just about any other all-star reserve quality player.
I have several other reasons I would say Shaq > Kobe that I don’t feel like typing up right now. I’d say Shaq falls somewhere in the 7-10 range while Kobe is more like 11-13.
All I know is I scored 2 points vs Kobe in garbage time in an 8th grade basketball game.
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
Mmmmm.....I don't know man. Couple of top tenner's for sure, though. Tough to compare a center and guard.
Well my argument is predicated on the admission that Kobe was very distinctly Robin to Shaq’s Batman during the 3-peat. It was not 1A and 1B like some people like to argue now. Kobe was still very young at that point, and he wasn’t going to carry a team to the Finals if Shaq wasn’t there. Shaq, on the other hand, I believe could have still won those 3 rings with just about any other all-star reserve quality player.
I have several other reasons I would say Shaq > Kobe that I don’t feel like typing up right now. I’d say Shaq falls somewhere in the 7-10 range while Kobe is more like 11-13.
All I know is I scored 2 points vs Kobe in garbage time in an 8th grade basketball game.
People still hung up on this stupid Ben Simmons rookie thing? Jeez let it go already.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
well yea it's funny if you think Shaq is a top 5 player of all time when he is not even top 5 that has played for 1 franchise itself. stick to soccer big guy.
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
You are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. That is what makes sports great. But isn't it interesting that when the Lakers had to choose between Shaq and Kobe they chose Kobe and got rid of Shaq?
When they chose to stick with the guy that was just entering his prime vs. the guy that was exiting his prime? Yeah, what a head scratcher.
Shaq played 7 more years after he left the Lakers. Not exactly end of his career. and how about Kobe himself calling Shaq 'lazy' and said they would have won 10 championships if Shaq tried harder.
well yea it's funny if you think Shaq is a top 5 player of all time when he is not even top 5 that has played for 1 franchise itself. stick to soccer big guy.
I repeat, lol
instead of a snarky response want to tell me which of the players i mentioned who have played for the Lakers he was better than? No reasonable NBA historian or person who has covered the NBA thinks his career was better than LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, or Magic. Not one. So maybe Kobe or Jerry West? maybe...so at best he is the 5th best player who has played for the Lakers. And you will get a lot of people who will tell you that Kobe and/or Jerry West had better careers. So yea stick to soccer.
Again I think there are clearly a top 8 in NBA history that most people who follow the NBA agree on in some order: Jordan LeBron Kareem Magic Bird Wilt Oscar Robertson Bill Russell
Alright...5, 10, maybe 15, whatever. The point remains. I also don't really care that much, just thought it was odd to call out one of the best players ever.
so is simmons done with us now or do you think he comes to his senses and plays with us this year?
8/28/98- Camden, NJ
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
so is simmons done with us now or do you think he comes to his senses and plays with us this year?
He's done. Fuck him.
His first game back at the Center for his new team will be TO w/the Cowboys in '06 all over again....except I can almost guarantee Ben will sit that game out.
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And if anyone thinks Shaq was better than LeBron, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Wilt and Jerry West they are fucking morons. So yea to say Shaq is one of the greatest 5 players of all time when he is not 1 of the 5 greatest players to play for the Lakers they are behind help.
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
It's like how he'd bring up Ryan Howard and Andy Reid's names in anything. Like how my father in law can usurp any benign conversation into a Jesus Christ Fox News segment ("Did the Phillies win? Oh yeah? Yeah, I'll tell you who's not winning. The American people. Those chem trails up there in the sky? Obama. The Muslim terrorists want you to think abortion is ok.")
And we're seriously gonna sit here and thumb our assholes of where Shaq ranks? Top 5, top 10? Who gives a fuck? The stats are marginal vs most of these guys, sans Lebron because Lebron is the exception to almost every and all rules. Shaq was a beast and one of the greatest centers to play the game.
There is no hypocrisy because both Shaq and Chuck proved it on the court, and whatever deficiencies they may have had found other ways to compensate to win. Ben does not. Stop reaching.
Between them: multiple rings, first ballot hall of famers, MVPs (multiple). Like what the fuck are we talking about here? Chuck and Shaq can talk all the shit they want on Ben and they're not wrong.
More importantly, to everyone else, ignore this dumb dumb. Like I said, made for a great morning of reading to start the day.
https://stathead.com/tiny/LCQvA vs West
https://stathead.com/tiny/GAquD vs Kareem
https://stathead.com/tiny/9o8HT vs Lebron
https://stathead.com/tiny/wt5qv vs Kobe
https://stathead.com/tiny/cl8w7 vs Magic
https://stathead.com/tiny/fMAd3 vs Ben
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Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
And I’ll fight to the death over that opinion. Revisionist historians be damned.
and I haven't defended Ben since the playoffs. I still think he is great and the Sixers will most likely be a worse team when he is gone.
but hey it's cool to call me names, it doesn't bother me. just don't be like the other guy and be a tattle tale when the shoe is on the other foot if that every happens.
coulda just drafted the true ROY at #12
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Again I think there are clearly a top 8 in NBA history that most people who follow the NBA agree on in some order:
Jordan
LeBron
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
His first game back at the Center for his new team will be TO w/the Cowboys in '06 all over again....except I can almost guarantee Ben will sit that game out.