Couple arrested for not paying tip

dunkman

decides2dream wrote:

dunkman wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

this is absolutely ridiculous.

how much do you wanna bet the only reason the cops actually arrested them is because they frequent that restaurant and are looking for some free meals?

16 fucking dollars....deal with it! :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'll bet you.

They paid for everything they had except the tip... as the service was shittier than your 'reading of first posts' skills so how were they looking for a free meal?

I only had poor service once when i was in Florida... but the waitress was older than Methusalahs granny and she was saving up for a new plastic hip... so i left her a quarter and the flight times to the UK.

priceless!
and you are making fun of his reading comprehension skills?
perhaps reread his post. ya know, the one you quoted.
btw - it took you long enough to show up in this thread!



and for the record, you bet...utterly fucking ridiculous. we do not have any laws forcing tipping, whether it is on the menu or not.

his post is ambigious

The Jeagler wrote:

how much do you wanna bet the only reason the cops actually arrested them is because they frequent that restaurant and are looking for some free meals?

'they' could be the people from this story, not the cops. thats what i got from my reading of his post. he should really explain himself better. he meaning jeagles. no the cop guy. or the non-tipping hero.

In My Dreams

theoceansmademe wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Most restaurants add a gratuity for large groups. I have never heard of adding 18% automatically. I wonder if it was mentioned on the menu, or somewhere else in plain view.

Should be an interesting court case!

Exactly what I thought after reading the original post.

If it's on the menu then it is theft. They new prior to ordering that there would be a required tip.

I spent 10+ years in the business and sometimes you're just to busy to give the service people want.
My gut feeling is the costumers were Assholes, for I have waited on many.

Hooray for the law!

They wanted silverware and napkins.

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

dunkman wrote:

'they' could be the people from this story, not the cops. thats what i got from my reading of his post. he should really explain himself better. he meaning jeagles. no the cop guy. or the non-tipping hero.

aye...however one could easily decipher from the thread title and the original article who i was referring to.

it's okay dunk. i still love ya!

decides2dream

dunkman wrote:

his post is ambigious

The Jeagler wrote:

how much do you wanna bet the only reason the cops actually arrested them is because they frequent that restaurant and are looking for some free meals?

'they' could be the people from this story, not the cops. thats what i got from my reading of his post. he should really explain himself better. he meaning jeagles. no the cop guy. or the non-tipping hero.

i'll play....;)
hope that helps.
not ambiguous.
just sayin'.

Cosmo

16 bucks divided by 8... 2 bucks per person.
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If I were there... I'd have paid the entire 16 bucks for my loser 7 friends and their bullshit 'Principles'.
It doesn't kill me to have to walk a few steps to get a refill (probably a farther walk to go take a leak)... and how fucking heavy are forks and spoons?
But, there is no fucking way I'm getting cuffs slapped on, lawyers, courts and judges for a measly 2 bucks.

haffajappa

Cosmo wrote:

16 bucks divided by 8... 2 bucks per person.
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If I were there... I'd have paid the entire 16 bucks for my loser 7 friends and their bullshit 'Principles'.
It doesn't kill me to have to walk a few steps to get a refill (probably a farther walk to go take a leak)... and how fucking heavy are forks and spoons?
But, there is no fucking way I'm getting cuffs slapped on, lawyers, courts and judges for a measly 2 bucks.

I'd like to think the reason you are out and paying for your food is so that someone can serve you, otherwise what is the point? TIPS = to insure prompt service. the meaning has gotten slightly skewed nowadays, especially when they're not even doing their job :shock:

Cosmo

haffajappa wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

16 bucks divided by 8... 2 bucks per person.
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If I were there... I'd have paid the entire 16 bucks for my loser 7 friends and their bullshit 'Principles'.
It doesn't kill me to have to walk a few steps to get a refill (probably a farther walk to go take a leak)... and how fucking heavy are forks and spoons?
But, there is no fucking way I'm getting cuffs slapped on, lawyers, courts and judges for a measly 2 bucks.

I'd like to think the reason you are out and paying for your food is so that someone can serve you, otherwise what is the point? TIPS = to insure prompt service. the meaning has gotten slightly skewed nowadays, especially when they're not even doing their job :shock:

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No... because I think I should stand on principles that are meaningful... such as social injustices. TIPS do not fall under that catagory in my book. A couple of bucks in not a big deal in my life. And there is no fucking way I am getting handcuffed, booked and causing court costs and lawyer's fees for 2 bucks per person. Any of my cheap fucking friends with their bullshit 'principles' are not worth the consequences. I'll deal with their arguements over the cost to the taxpayers for police and court costs.
And we do not know all of the details of this specific case. If the restaurant/bar was under staffed, it is NOT the waitresses' fault. It is the fault of either the restaurant owner and/or the manager. And as I said, it doesn't kill me to get off my ass, walk to the bar and get a refill or a fork... I am not going to take it out on the poor waitress if the manager failed to schedule the proper amount of workers. I like waitresses... I date waitresses... I know the types of assholes they are forced to endure on a daily basis.
Now... I have been forced to leave a restaurant because of poor service in the past. We just ran out of time because the concert time was coming up. We didn't pay... but, we were never served and never ate. We did pay for our drinks and left a tip for the drinks because the poor waitress was getting her ass kicked... and they didn't have enough help in the kitchen. Manager's fault... not the help.
I work on compassion... if the bar was empty and there were 4 waitresses standing around, gossiping... that's a completely different story. But, it sounds like this was not the case. I'm not going to punish the minimum wage (plus tips) waitress because the restaurant owner and/or manager is too cheap to staff sufficiently.

Byrnzie

Why not just do away with tips and add the $18 to the cost of the shit you're buying. That way, there's no confusion. People should only receive tips if they deserve them.

haffajappa

Cosmo wrote:

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No... because I think I should stand on principles that are meaningful... such as social injustices. TIPS do not fall under that catagory in my book. A couple of bucks in not a big deal in my life. And there is no fucking way I am getting handcuffed, booked and causing court costs and lawyer's fees for 2 bucks per person. Any of my cheap fucking friends with their bullshit 'principles' are not worth the consequences. I'll deal with their arguements over the cost to the taxpayers for police and court costs.
And we do not know all of the details of this specific case. If the restaurant/bar was under staffed, it is NOT the waitresses' fault. It is the fault of either the restaurant owner and/or the manager. And as I said, it doesn't kill me to get off my ass, walk to the bar and get a refill or a fork... I am not going to take it out on the poor waitress if the manager failed to schedule the proper amount of workers. I like waitresses... I date waitresses... I know the types of assholes they are forced to endure on a daily basis.
Now... I have been forced to leave a restaurant because of poor service in the past. We just ran out of time because the concert time was coming up. We didn't pay... but, we were never served and never ate. We did pay for our drinks and left a tip for the drinks because the poor waitress was getting her ass kicked... and they didn't have enough help in the kitchen. Manager's fault... not the help.
I work on compassion... if the bar was empty and there were 4 waitresses standing around, gossiping... that's a completely different story. But, it sounds like this was not the case. I'm not going to punish the minimum wage (plus tips) waitress because the restaurant owner and/or manager is too cheap to staff sufficiently.

tipping is different everywhere, not every waitress makes 4 dollars an hour.
here, where they make the same wage as anybody else in an entry level job, i don't tip if the service is shitty.
this is where the meaning has gotten out of hand.

Cosmo

haffajappa wrote:

tipping is different everywhere, not every waitress makes 4 dollars an hour.
here, where they make the same wage as anybody else in an entry level job, i don't tip if the service is shitty.
this is where the meaning has gotten out of hand.

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Minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour and waiters and waitresses are taxed on an I.R.S. scale that assumes they are tipped something along the lines of 8% or so. So, if you leave a 10% tip, they get taxed on 8% of that.
And the point i am making is that the service depends on so many other factors besides the waitress herself. Insufficient staffing because the owner or manager want to cut operating costs to increase profits... inept or insufficient workers in the kitchen. You may take it out on the waitress... I am not. That is all I'm saying.
I don't care what criteria you use to tip... or justify for not tipping. I leave something for the waitress just about every time... unless I actually see her pissing on my omlette. I don't have a level of expectations or demand that my wishes be fulfilled. As long as I get the meal I ordered and there is no spit or piss on it... i'm good.

Vogstar90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJwYaeolXc
God I hate the tipping culture.... It's such a disincentive to providing a good service. Pay the employees decent salary instead, and let the tipping be an extra bonus when you've earned it.

Random_Wookie

Why should you be forced to leave a TIP, I only TIP if I like the service. Are these people fat or lazzy,just becasue you have to get up to get a refill and silver wear does not justify not tipping. What did they order? As I dont know the cost of food in the states but that does seem awfully low for food and drinks for 6 people. (fries and water perhaps?)

Cosmo

Random_Wookie wrote:

Why should you be forced to leave a TIP, I only TIP if I like the service. Are these people fat or lazzy,just becasue you have to get up to get a refill and silver wear does not justify not tipping. What did they order? As I dont know the cost of food in the states but that does seem awfully low for food and drinks for 6 people. (fries and water perhaps?)

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The party was a total of 8... the couple that got arrested and 6 of their friends. The total of the bill was 73 bucks ($9.12 per person (avg.)) including the tip.
My guess is there is something else that is not being reported here. The police would not be arresting people for not paying the tip. My dangerously, unfounded speculation is that beligerence played a part in the arrests.
Either way... in my opinion, it is not like they are fighting for some sort of social injustice and not a justifiable reason for getting your ass arrested. The court costs alone will exceed the tip.

_Crazy_Mary_

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

haffajappa

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

nice boss.

you know what i never think is fair? if someone dine and dashes the waitress has to pay... same with someone stealing gas. the latter was part of the reason they made a new law here, because someone was trying to steal gas and the attendant ran in front of the car to stop him, the kid ran over the attendant and dragged him a couple blocks. really sad. all for 20 bucks of gas.

JaneNY

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

That is terrible (but you have a nice boss). I never leave cash on a table and leave because I'm always worried that another patron might steal it off the table. I saw this happen once many years ago.

Cosmo

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

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See. This is my point. Waitresses have to deal with assholes all the time... whether intentionally or not. Nothing to do with Mary's service... people can be real fucking assholes or real fucking stupid at times.
This is WHY I ALWAYS leave a decent tip. I know what waitresses have to deal with and I am not going to be part of the assholiness they are faced with on a regular basis.

dunkman

Cosmo wrote:

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

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See. This is my point. Waitresses have to deal with assholes all the time... whether intentionally or not. Nothing to do with Mary's service... people can be real fucking assholes or real fucking stupid at times.
This is WHY I ALWAYS leave a decent tip. I know what waitresses have to deal with and I am not going to be part of the assholiness they are faced with on a regular basis.

do you tip bus drivers?

haffajappa

dunkman wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night, I had a table that left cash on the table with the bill and left before I realized they only put out $83 when the bill was $87. So not only did I get screwed out of a tip, but I end up paying $4 out of my pocket! My boss generously slipped me a $20 and said it was from that table at the end of the night. Of course, I know it was from him, but I just said, "oh good. They remembered to come back!"

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See. This is my point. Waitresses have to deal with assholes all the time... whether intentionally or not. Nothing to do with Mary's service... people can be real fucking assholes or real fucking stupid at times.
This is WHY I ALWAYS leave a decent tip. I know what waitresses have to deal with and I am not going to be part of the assholiness they are faced with on a regular basis.

do you tip bus drivers?

or anyone in the customer service industry, for that matter :roll:
never thought of bus drivers though, that's a good point.

Cosmo

haffajappa wrote:

or anyone in the customer service industry, for that matter :roll:
never thought of bus drivers though, that's a good point.

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What does that do with anything? Just because you are cheap... has nothing to do with me.
And YES... i leave a tip for hotel maids, car valets, taxi drivers, bell hops and sky caps... and YES... airport shuttle bus drivers.... I give them a tip, too. What is your stupid fucking point?