At what point?

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

good post vinny. i have a lot of respect for you and your posts. now if maybe 3 or 4 more people on your side were this articulate we might be able to have a serious worthwhile debate.

Oh so what just because Im not as articulate as some one im not worth listening to, Im not worthy of having an opinion ? You got some nerve.. :x

wow arent we feeling important? it was not directed at you specifically, but you can imply what you want from it, i do not really care anymore.

inmytree

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

ledvedderman

inmytree wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

Are you saying people disagreeing about disagreeing is a bad thing? You make me sick you commy, facist, socialistic fuck

gimmesometruth27

ledvedderman wrote:

inmytree wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

Are you saying people disagreeing about disagreeing is a bad thing? You make me sick you commy, facist, socialistic fuck

LMAO....this is funny.

inmytree

ledvedderman wrote:

inmytree wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

Are you saying people disagreeing about disagreeing is a bad thing? You make me sick you commy, facist, socialistic fuck

nice...!!!!

aerial

soulsinging wrote:

aerial wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

So perfect and aerial...if this is a grassroots American non-partisan uprising...why did it take off after January 2009? Where were these people with Medicare Part D, turning the largest surplus into the largest defitcit, and the trampling the Bush administration did on the Constitution you all love to carry in your pockets? Where were you then? Where were you when the Bush admin bailed out the banks on Wall Street. There were no massive protests there. There were no signs claiming expanding Medicare to Nazi Germany. Don't say it's been brewing for a while, we both know that is bullshit. Why did it all change in January of 2009?

I have tried to explain this before and will not answer the "where were you when Bush was President?" again.....if this movement started then would understand it better?
if so, why?......all I will say to that question for now on is "better late than never"!

yes, i would. becos then i would have some reason to believe this is about the issues, not just a cloak to present the same old bullshit republican policies this country rejected in 08 and return to business as usual. all you want to see is obama gone. palin could be elected tomorrow and adopt every majoy position obama has now and you would all disappear and stop talking about socialism and praise palin for thinking about the common man. this isnt about the issues, it's about gaining validation for the redneck version of republicanism.

I want ALL the liars (ALL politicians) in Washington to do the job they were elected to do and Stop acting as if Americans are stupid. I may not be the most articulate ( I not only envy you that are I respect you) person but I do have standards. I am not a republican or a racist and I do not hate Obama. Your post is not True.

ledvedderman

Dude, just answer why no one was this fired up in December 2008? Fast forward 30 days and it's all the rave? Just answer that.

gimmesometruth27

ledvedderman wrote:

Dude, just answer why no one was this fired up in December 2008? Fast forward 30 days and it's all the rave? Just answer that.

nobody can answer that other than saying "it was a groundswell of a silent majority that is now becoming loud and making a tidal wave" or something like that.

these people were arrogant enough to think that mccain was going to be swept into office. they did not think that about 8 million more people would block that from happening.

polaris_x

inmytree wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

no ... simply that we share more common beliefs than we have differences ... our gov'ts should govern openly and honestly for the people ... the simple fact of the matter is that they do not ... they split people up to discuss secondary topics to create a divide during which they continue to take everyone for what their worth ...

soo ... while they create this left vs. right, republican vs. democrat dichotomy ... the reality is they are playing both sides of the fence ... in the end they manipulate the system to benefit the few at the expense of the many ...

polaris_x

ledvedderman wrote:

Are you saying people disagreeing about disagreeing is a bad thing? You make me sick you commy, facist, socialistic fuck

I AM A SOCIALIST!!!

ledvedderman

polaris_x wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Are you saying people disagreeing about disagreeing is a bad thing? You make me sick you commy, facist, socialistic fuck

I AM A SOCIALIST!!!

Well, enjoy hell. Because that's where you go when you don't enjoy freedom.

inmytree

polaris_x wrote:

inmytree wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

are you saying people disagreeing is a bad thing....?

no ... simply that we share more common beliefs than we have differences ... our gov'ts should govern openly and honestly for the people ... the simple fact of the matter is that they do not ... they split people up to discuss secondary topics to create a divide during which they continue to take everyone for what their worth ...

soo ... while they create this left vs. right, republican vs. democrat dichotomy ... the reality is they are playing both sides of the fence ... in the end they manipulate the system to benefit the few at the expense of the many ...

of course folks have common beliefs and goals, it's just a matter of how we get there...that's where the problems start...

personally I'm glad we have at least two distinct sides...and I'd be happy if a third, fourth and fifth party joined the fray...we do I feel this way...? because not everyone is going to agree about everything...every problem has lots and lots and lots of solutions....so it takes time to pick one or six...that's what democracy is...folks have a say...and folks can complain, moan, protest, yell, and so on...it's part of the process...and unless we go to one party one ruler, things aren't going to change...

FiveB247x

Not sure I agree bout that, but I do agree it's a great example about how we can't even have rational debate in this nation without media driven generalizations and silly catch phrases taking over. The dumbing down of society is so strong and widespread, you can't have an open discussion without it deterating into a mud throwing contest where both sides use half-truthes and say or do anything to make some point in order to win some bs arguement which ends up being about nothing or a sidenote to the actual issue or topic.

polaris_x wrote:

this thread is a great example of how the powers that be have managed to pit side against side - sorry FiveB ... the empire will not crumble until people start seeing the same things for what they are ...

polaris_x

inmytree wrote:

of course folks have common beliefs and goals, it's just a matter of how we get there...that's where the problems start...

personally I'm glad we have at least two distinct sides...and I'd be happy if a third, fourth and fifth party joined the fray...we do I feel this way...? because not everyone is going to agree about everything...every problem has lots and lots and lots of solutions....so it takes time to pick one or six...that's what democracy is...folks have a say...and folks can complain, moan, protest, yell, and so on...it's part of the process...and unless we go to one party one ruler, things aren't going to change...

the problem is that everyone is distracted with these "solutions" that no one is actually addressing the main problem: Open and Honest Gov't. I would gladly vote for a conservative even tho i am a socialist at this stage if i knew they would govern in the interests of the people ... that is not happening now whether you have a D or R beside their name ... so, while the general public yip and yap about how much tax is good ... they are basically playing the same game ...

soulsinging

aerial wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

yes, i would. becos then i would have some reason to believe this is about the issues, not just a cloak to present the same old bullshit republican policies this country rejected in 08 and return to business as usual. all you want to see is obama gone. palin could be elected tomorrow and adopt every majoy position obama has now and you would all disappear and stop talking about socialism and praise palin for thinking about the common man. this isnt about the issues, it's about gaining validation for the redneck version of republicanism.

I want ALL the liars (ALL politicians) in Washington to do the job they were elected to do and Stop acting as if Americans are stupid. I may not be the most articulate ( I not only envy you that are I respect you) person but I do have standards. I am not a republican or a racist and I do not hate Obama. Your post is not True.

I appreciate your compliment, but I'm still not convinced. The same stuff was going on long before Obama took office, and there was not a peep from anyone on the right. There was no tea party, no protests. Then, the second he takes office, suddenly all of these non-partisan people are up in arms over his policies that aren't much different from the last guy's? Where there's smoke, there's usually fire... It happened too quick and too well-coordinated to not have been planned well in advance by the Karl Rove's of the right. They timed these things, got the foxnews talking heads to fall in line, and now you all think you're part of a silent majority movement. I'm sorry, but you've been had by the same people that sold you out during the Bush presidency.

inmytree

polaris_x wrote:

inmytree wrote:

of course folks have common beliefs and goals, it's just a matter of how we get there...that's where the problems start...

personally I'm glad we have at least two distinct sides...and I'd be happy if a third, fourth and fifth party joined the fray...we do I feel this way...? because not everyone is going to agree about everything...every problem has lots and lots and lots of solutions....so it takes time to pick one or six...that's what democracy is...folks have a say...and folks can complain, moan, protest, yell, and so on...it's part of the process...and unless we go to one party one ruler, things aren't going to change...

the problem is that everyone is distracted with these "solutions" that no one is actually addressing the main problem: Open and Honest Gov't. I would gladly vote for a conservative even tho i am a socialist at this stage if i knew they would govern in the interests of the people ... that is not happening now whether you have a D or R beside their name ... so, while the general public yip and yap about how much tax is good ... they are basically playing the same game ...

so what's your solution...do we not have political parties...? you speak of interests of the people, well people have differing interests....

you mention taxes...well, hate to break to you, as long as there are taxes people are going to yip and yap...

I think folks get this notion of a perfect world in there head and then forget that others have there own notion of a perfect world in their head...and sometimes they are not the same...

soulsinging

inmytree wrote:

so what's your solution...do we not have political parties...? you speak of interests of the people, well people have differing interests....

you mention taxes...well, hate to break to you, as long as there are taxes people are going to yip and yap...

I think folks get this notion of a perfect world in there head and then forget that others have there own notion of a perfect world in their head...and sometimes they are not the same...

it's one of the few areas i admire the right more than the left. at least the right openly acknowledges that they know most people dont agree with them but they just dont care and are going to pursue it anyway becos they know what's best for everyone. the left always acts like everyone deep down is a hie hard liberal and they're just in denial or ignorant and all they need to to be shown the light. the delusion is kinda hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.

inmytree

soulsinging wrote:

inmytree wrote:

so what's your solution...do we not have political parties...? you speak of interests of the people, well people have differing interests....

you mention taxes...well, hate to break to you, as long as there are taxes people are going to yip and yap...

I think folks get this notion of a perfect world in there head and then forget that others have there own notion of a perfect world in their head...and sometimes they are not the same...

it's one of the few areas i admire the right more than the left. at least the right openly acknowledges that they know most people dont agree with them but they just dont care and are going to pursue it anyway becos they know what's best for everyone. the left always acts like everyone deep down is a hie hard liberal and they're just in denial or ignorant and all they need to to be shown the light. the delusion is kinda hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.

sad but true....

FiveB247x

People can't openly discuss an issue without generalizing some side point or side note about the other half. Everything deteriates into finger pointing and arguements over nothing, while the problems just continue to mount and go unresolved. The American public is more of a problem than the government - how bout we all think and discuss that for a moment?

polaris_x

inmytree wrote:

so what's your solution...do we not have political parties...? you speak of interests of the people, well people have differing interests....

you mention taxes...well, hate to break to you, as long as there are taxes people are going to yip and yap...

I think folks get this notion of a perfect world in there head and then forget that others have there own notion of a perfect world in their head...and sometimes they are not the same...

i think you are missing my point ... i understand that people have different interests and priorities ... all i'm saying is that gov't should be open and honest ... right now - regardless of who is in power - they are only serving special interests ... the solution is to awaken people to this simple fact ... people are either distracted or asleep at the wheel ...