At what point?

inmytree

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

did you see how the dumbass john boehner read from what he called "the preamble of the constitution yesterday?" that idiot does not even know that there is no preamble to the constitution and what he read was part of what you posted from the declaration of independence. when the minority leader of the house can not even keep from confusing these two distinctly different documents, and nobody in attendance caught it, it says a lot about the intelligence of the people involved with this "movement"...i will try to find the video and post it.

enjoy the video here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/0 ... 47278.html

be sure to watch the Patriot recite the Pledge of Allegiance.....

inmytree

FiveB247x wrote:

At what point?

At what point will we look around and be so fed up with the nation around us that we are serious about fixing the problems that continually haunt us? Our society merely picks sides and cares more about silly antics and side-note tabloid type foolishness than the future outcome of our nation and world. Our education system is awful, our healthcare is terrible, our social security is failing, our government is corrupt and politicians are run by big business, yet everyone is too wrapped up in their own little worlds of consumerism and greed they don't care enough to fix anything. Media, entertainment and public relations have so warped our society; people can't function or are too easily trained to have the attention span of a spastic dog and ability to think for themselves even less. There's no way around it. What will the final straw be before our society wakes up? Another terrorist attack? Another economic collapse followed by another heist of tax funds? Seriously, the depth of our society's tolerance and ignorance is astounding. In the long term, you reap what you sow. It may not be an overnight catastrophe, but in the end, this nation will falter because of its greed and grasp for world power while being led by a small group of elite as the masses march in line under the guise of patriotism and justice. We won't be invaded and taken over like in some world war movie plot, in my opinion; we will slowly lose control of what brought us together, federalism, and as a result slowly splinter off into small areas of loosely connected places similar to the original colonies. Except this time, we won't be collectively coming together under the guise of freedom and a new way; we'll be separating in a failed experiment. And maybe years later there will be another group of people who wonder - at what point should we try again, but many will cry out, at what point did the last experiment fail? And the universal reply will be that the same reasons it began, it came to an end. Many like to say that mankind is so flawed it is inherently impossible to adjust, but perhaps it is just mankind’s loss of rational thought and wisdom which led to their downfall. In the Age of Enlightenment, people dreamt of a future without war, poverty and a world full of equality and goodness. At what point do you scratch your head and seriously wonder what kind of future the world will be in store for us? It’s not a pretty picture.

I can sum up my stance is a few words...it is what it is...

mankind is not perfect...and there will never be a utopia...all I know is, I can control me and only me...I can't worry too much about others and the world...sure I can speak out and get involved...but there will always be selfish, greedy, hateful people in this world...

If the world ends tomorrow, so be it...I can't worry about it today...I know this sound like I don't care...That's not true...I care about me and mine...I work my 40+ hours a week, treat others with respect, pay my taxes on time, follow most of the laws ( ) and vote...all of which are within my control...

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

At what point?

At what point will we look around and be so fed up with the nation around us that we are serious about fixing the problems that continually haunt us? Our society merely picks sides and cares more about silly antics and side-note tabloid type foolishness than the future outcome of our nation and world. Our education system is awful, our healthcare is terrible, our social security is failing, our government is corrupt and politicians are run by big business, yet everyone is too wrapped up in their own little worlds of consumerism and greed they don't care enough to fix anything. Media, entertainment and public relations have so warped our society; people can't function or are too easily trained to have the attention span of a spastic dog and ability to think for themselves even less. There's no way around it. What will the final straw be before our society wakes up? Another terrorist attack? Another economic collapse followed by another heist of tax funds? Seriously, the depth of our society's tolerance and ignorance is astounding. In the long term, you reap what you sow. It may not be an overnight catastrophe, but in the end, this nation will falter because of its greed and grasp for world power while being led by a small group of elite as the masses march in line under the guise of patriotism and justice. We won't be invaded and taken over like in some world war movie plot, in my opinion; we will slowly lose control of what brought us together, federalism, and as a result slowly splinter off into small areas of loosely connected places similar to the original colonies. Except this time, we won't be collectively coming together under the guise of freedom and a new way; we'll be separating in a failed experiment. And maybe years later there will be another group of people who wonder - at what point should we try again, but many will cry out, at what point did the last experiment fail? And the universal reply will be that the same reasons it began, it came to an end. Many like to say that mankind is so flawed it is inherently impossible to adjust, but perhaps it is just mankind’s loss of rational thought and wisdom which led to their downfall. In the Age of Enlightenment, people dreamt of a future without war, poverty and a world full of equality and goodness. At what point do you scratch your head and seriously wonder what kind of future the world will be in store for us? It’s not a pretty picture.

There is a movement trying to help keep America together and get back on track. The Tea Party is a movement with a simple back to the basics (honesty, integrity, patriotism, accountability etc.) agenda that includes ALL AMERICANS that want to join. This is not a racist or hate filled organization.
Let Washington know you ARE paying attention.

stop feeding us this "non-racist or hate filled" crap! did you SEE the signs that were are michelle bachmann's "press conference" yesterday? there were signs featuring a photo of a pile of emaciated dead bodies take from the dachau concentration camp in 1945 with the heading "national socialist health care, dachau 1945" and multiple multiple racist sign held up. you tell me how that is not "hate filled"!! when you have the republican leadership, people elected by the people standing in font of large groups telling people we need a revolution, that is treason against the government, not just a litle protest. the tea bag movement and the gop are alienating the rest of the nation, and even the moderate wing of the GOP and they are showing their true colors as a bunch of marginalized, redneck, racist, STUPID, hate filed, racist, simpletons...

I didn't know Jeanine Garofalo was a PJ Fan!
Were do you get your information on the TEA Party?
I did not see what your talking about yesterday.....what racist signs did they have?
There is no treason .....and it is legal to demonstrate.....all Americans need to let politician know that we are holding them accountable for now on.
You must be young an idealistic which is one of the best stages in life .....I have to say tho, even when I was young I never hated as you do....in my time it was peace and love for everyone to everyone......what can make someone be so disrepectful to another human being?....

VINNY GOOMBA

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

when you have the republican leadership, people elected by the people standing in font of large groups telling people we need a revolution, that is treason against the government, not just a litle protest.

When does a "little" protest ever solve anything?
Also it's government officials that commit treason when they ignore their oath of office when they sell us out to special interests, and send us off to unjust wars. The founders wrote in the Delcaration of Independence that it is actually our DUTY to abolish government, and institute new government that recognizes the rights of man if necessary:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

I will give you this, if GOP leadership is actually calling for revolution, they had best be careful what they wished for, they are just as guilty of bringing us to where we are right now as any Democrat.

did you see how the dumbass john boehner read from what he called "the preamble of the constitution yesterday?" that idiot does not even know that there is no preamble to the constitution and what he read was part of what you posted from the declaration of independence. when the minority leader of the house can not even keep from confusing these two distinctly different documents, and nobody in attendance caught it, it says a lot about the intelligence of the people involved with this "movement"...i will try to find the video and post it.

I didn't see any of it-- but I believe you. There's morons in every movement. They are always given the most press. Change = any deviation from the status quo, so there is obviously an agenda to discredit any REAL change anywhere-- whether it's the type you want to see, or the type I want to see. None of us will get our way when we keep believing that the morons, or "MORANS" are automatically assumed to be the leaders of any movement that is pushing for equality.

Whenever I speak in defense of this movement, I speak from my personal experiences with it from actually being there a few times. I haven't been to all of them, nor could I be for all of them, so I can't speak for all of them.

I consider myself, as far as classic definitions go to be a Libertarian / Conservative / Ron Paul Republican / and yes, even a Tea Party person-- but I prefer to have no label, since all of these labels mean far too many things to different people (I share almost nothing in common with Hannity or O'Reilly principally, yet we're all Conservatives?). I just want freedom and fairness by strict adherence to simple principles as stated in the Constitution. Everyone should. WE THE PEOPLE have nothing to lose by advocating this system of rule, and by pushing for more people to want it.

I have met many like-minded people that feel as I do, who are able to speak their peace eloquently, and who share in this current movement against big government in favor of individual liberty and personal responsibility. Some people have just woken up to the fact that we're being robbed of our liberty everyday-- and just like people who have literally just woken up from sleep, they're groggy, incoherent, and saying somethings that don't always make sense. The anger and frustration is very real though, and given some time spent educating themselves, brushing up on their history, and ditching party lines for objectivity, the ineloquent members of any movement will either lose interest, or will transform themselves to better educate others. Ideas go through the same "survival of the fittest" natural selection that species do.

It's like good music, my man. Dig a little bit and that's where you'll find most of the gems. Turn on MSNBC or Fox, and you'll find what's being called "the mainstream," and it's almost always CRAP. Once in a while, someone or some group can be both uber-mainstream, but still talented, principled, and awesome. It kind of reminds me of this one band that I love

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

did you see how the dumbass john boehner read from what he called "the preamble of the constitution yesterday?" that idiot does not even know that there is no preamble to the constitution and what he read was part of what you posted from the declaration of independence. when the minority leader of the house can not even keep from confusing these two distinctly different documents, and nobody in attendance caught it, it says a lot about the intelligence of the people involved with this "movement"...i will try to find the video and post it.

You know gimmie you really say some stupid things sometimes and this is a perfect example. How do you know no one caught it? Were you there? Of course not..So the man mis-spoke. Im sorry he's not perfect like your boy Obama. ATt least he didn't say he had been to 57 states like Obama did when he was on the campaign trail. You and a few others can make fun of us all you want. All it does is show your hypocrisy when it comes to freedom of speech and how immature you really are. Let me educate you. The silent majority is silent no more. Were awake we are good souls, we believe in the constitution,the declaration of Independence,and The Bill of Rights.Conservatism is on the ascendency. This weeks elections have sent shock waves through this administration and the halls of congress even though they pretend not to notice us and they do so at their own political risk.
Our ranks continue to grow and our resolve continues to harden. and those who insist on not listening to the people, We the people. They will fall into the political abyss next November just as Corzine and Deeds did.

inmytree

is it just me, or does it seem these teaparty folks are acting like religious nuts shoving their views down the throats of others...

for me, believe what you want, I respect that...just respect my right to disagree with you...

ledvedderman

So perfect and aerial...if this is a grassroots American non-partisan uprising...why did it take off after January 2009? Where were these people with Medicare Part D, turning the largest surplus into the largest defitcit, and the trampling the Bush administration did on the Constitution you all love to carry in your pockets? Where were you then? Where were you when the Bush admin bailed out the banks on Wall Street. There were no massive protests there. There were no signs claiming expanding Medicare to Nazi Germany. Don't say it's been brewing for a while, we both know that is bullshit. Why did it all change in January of 2009?

aerial

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

I will give you this, if GOP leadership is actually calling for revolution, they had best be careful what they wished for, they are just as guilty of bringing us to where we are right now as any Democrat.[/quote]

did you see how the dumbass john boehner read from what he called "the preamble of the constitution yesterday?" that idiot does not even know that there is no preamble to the constitution and what he read was part of what you posted from the declaration of independence. when the minority leader of the house can not even keep from confusing these two distinctly different documents, and nobody in attendance caught it, it says a lot about the intelligence of the people involved with this "movement"...i will try to find the video and post it.[/quote]

I didn't see any of it-- but I believe you. There's morons in every movement. They are always given the most press. Change = any deviation from the status quo, so there is obviously an agenda to discredit any REAL change anywhere-- whether it's the type you want to see, or the type I want to see. None of us will get our way when we keep believing that the morons, or "MORANS" are automatically assumed to be the leaders of any movement that is pushing for equality.

Whenever I speak in defense of this movement, I speak from my personal experiences with it from actually being there a few times. I haven't been to all of them, nor could I be for all of them, so I can't speak for all of them.

I consider myself, as far as classic definitions go to be a Libertarian / Conservative / Ron Paul Republican / and yes, even a Tea Party person-- but I prefer to have no label, since all of these labels mean far too many things to different people (I share almost nothing in common with Hannity or O'Reilly principally, yet we're all Conservatives?). I just want freedom and fairness by strict adherence to simple principles as stated in the Constitution. Everyone should. WE THE PEOPLE have nothing to lose by advocating this system of rule, and by pushing for more people to want it.

I have met many like-minded people that feel as I do, who are able to speak their peace eloquently, and who share in this current movement against big government in favor of individual liberty and personal responsibility. Some people have just woken up to the fact that we're being robbed of our liberty everyday-- and just like people who have literally just woken up from sleep, they're groggy, incoherent, and saying somethings that don't always make sense. The anger and frustration is very real though, and given some time spent educating themselves, brushing up on their history, and ditching party lines for objectivity, the ineloquent members of any movement will either lose interest, or will transform themselves to better educate others. Ideas go through the same "survival of the fittest" natural selection that species do.

It's like good music, my man. Dig a little bit and that's where you'll find most of the gems. Turn on MSNBC or Fox, and you'll find what's being called "the mainstream," and it's almost always CRAP. Once in a while, someone or some group can be both uber-mainstream, but still talented, principled, and awesome. It kind of reminds me of this one band that I love [/quote]


Thank you! Wish I could explain it as you do...

WaveCameCrashin

When did making fun of someone's beliefs become the same as disagreeing with some one and where the hell did forcing religion on some one come into play.

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

When did making fun of someone's beliefs become the same as disagreeing with some one and where the hell did forcing religion on some one come into play.

I'm assuming you're addressing my comment...

anyhoo, making fun and disagreeing can be the same thing...you see, when one makes fun, they are usually disagreeing....you just don't like their method of disagreeing....

WaveCameCrashin

ledvedderman wrote:

So perfect and aerial...if this is a grassroots American non-partisan uprising...why did it take off after January 2009? Where were these people with Medicare Part D, turning the largest surplus into the largest defitcit, and the trampling the Bush administration did on the Constitution you all love to carry in your pockets? Where were you then? Where were you when the Bush admin bailed out the banks on Wall Street. There were no massive protests there. There were no signs claiming expanding Medicare to Nazi Germany. Don't say it's been brewing for a while, we both know that is bullshit. Why did it all change in January of 2009?

Look man I just joined this fan club a year ago ok . You and a few others like to call us Hypocrites but aren't you also being a Hypocrite. Obama is doing a lot of the same shit Bush did and I don't hear you saying a damn thing.

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

So perfect and aerial...if this is a grassroots American non-partisan uprising...why did it take off after January 2009? Where were these people with Medicare Part D, turning the largest surplus into the largest defitcit, and the trampling the Bush administration did on the Constitution you all love to carry in your pockets? Where were you then? Where were you when the Bush admin bailed out the banks on Wall Street. There were no massive protests there. There were no signs claiming expanding Medicare to Nazi Germany. Don't say it's been brewing for a while, we both know that is bullshit. Why did it all change in January of 2009?

Look man I just joined this fan club a year ago ok . You and a few others like to call us Hypocrites but aren't you also being a Hypocrite. Obama is doing a lot of the same shit Bush did and I don't hear you saying a damn thing.

If you paid attention more, you would see that I have many grievences with the Obama admin. I'm pretty sure I've listed them several times on here.

WaveCameCrashin

inmytree wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

When did making fun of someone's beliefs become the same as disagreeing with some one and where the hell did forcing religion on some one come into play.

I'm assuming you're addressing my comment...

anyhoo, making fun and disagreeing can be the same thing...you see, when one makes fun, they are usually disagreeing....you just don't like their method of disagreeing....

Yeah it just shows that you're a hack and can't put up any valid points.

ledvedderman

How about you make a valid point and respond to why as of January 2009 it became such a pressing issue. Newsflash, Ron Paul didn't have that big of an impact to let it spread like this.

WaveCameCrashin

ledvedderman wrote:

If you paid attention more, you would see that I have many grievences with the Obama admin. I'm pretty sure I've listed them several times on here.

Ok Im willing to give you that ,but I don't remember anything specific. Sorry....

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

When did making fun of someone's beliefs become the same as disagreeing with some one and where the hell did forcing religion on some one come into play.

I'm assuming you're addressing my comment...

anyhoo, making fun and disagreeing can be the same thing...you see, when one makes fun, they are usually disagreeing....you just don't like their method of disagreeing....

Yeah it just shows that you're a hack and can't put up any valid points.

does it...? or does it show that you're a thin-skinned baby who can't handle the heat...?

I have points, you just cry about them....

if you want to get personal, my PM box is open...

Jeanwah

FiveB247x wrote:

Once again I completely agree - sadly, protest and uprisings (if any) are not where they need to be. Hopefully it will keep spreading and people will wake up.

When the media refuses to cover protests, then no one knows about them. I'm all for protesting and speaking up but the problem is first and foremost our gov't controlled media. If the average joe doesn't hear about them (and they NEVER report on protesting that may be against what the gov't wants), then the word doesn't spread. Start first with overthrowing our corrupt communication channels.

soulsinging

ledvedderman wrote:

So perfect and aerial...if this is a grassroots American non-partisan uprising...why did it take off after January 2009? Where were these people with Medicare Part D, turning the largest surplus into the largest defitcit, and the trampling the Bush administration did on the Constitution you all love to carry in your pockets? Where were you then? Where were you when the Bush admin bailed out the banks on Wall Street. There were no massive protests there. There were no signs claiming expanding Medicare to Nazi Germany. Don't say it's been brewing for a while, we both know that is bullshit. Why did it all change in January of 2009?

this is the question i've been asking of the tea party folks since they sprang out of nowhere in the first place. not one has ever given me an answer. this is not a grass roots constitutional movement, it's a partisan movement planned and fueled entirely by opposition to obama and obama only. they did the same to clinton. even moderate dems are incredibly reviled by the right... they refuse to give them a fair shake, actively attempt to sabotage all they do, and then play the victim when america resoundingly rejects their bullshit. biggest bunch of opportunistic whining sore losers i ever saw.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I didn't know Jeanine Garofalo was a PJ Fan!
Were do you get your information on the TEA Party?
I did not see what your talking about yesterday.....what racist signs did they have?
There is no treason .....and it is legal to demonstrate.....all Americans need to let politician know that we are holding them accountable for now on.
You must be young an idealistic which is one of the best stages in life .....I have to say tho, even when I was young I never hated as you do....in my time it was peace and love for everyone to everyone......what can make someone be so disrepectful to another human being?....

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you seriously did not see what i was talking about? it is on pretty much every news website out there. inmytree even posted it for you. do you not watch the videos that people post on here? we post things to make points and maybe educate those that would like to learn something that they did nto know. jeanne garofalo has nothing to do with this conversation. they had the usual racist signs of obama in the joker whiteface, swastikas, the hitler mustache, etc etc. why don't you google it and look for it? do you not have a proper search engine?? i know that you do because you have posted links on here before...it is all there is you choose to see it.

it IS treason when government officials are inciting people to rise up in revolution and threaten their elected officials that disagree with her. this is something that NEVER happened during the war protests, elected officials did not openly support the protestors or encourage them to threaten or do violence to their elected officials. they tucked their tails and ran the other way. how do i know? i was there.... threatening violence to elected officials at the behest of other opposing elected officials is TREASON. bachmann told these nutjobs to go into their representative's offices and ambush them. this is not civil disobedience, but it is threatening the government, which is a big difference from a legal demonstration, rally, or "press conference". it is far beyond that now.

aerial my age is of no consequence to this situation. you say i am young and idealistic, which i am not. if i seem like that then you seem to be old and brainwashed with the black and white mentality of a 5th grader. i do not hate you or anyone else, but your incessant inability to see things from both sides makes you look misguided. for anyone to support michelle bachmann and this press conference it is laughable.

what are you gonna do when this health bill passed this weekend? what are you gonna do, except maybe benefit from it and NOT have the least bit of gratitude because it was not your party or like minded individuals that gave it to you.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

When did making fun of someone's beliefs become the same as disagreeing with some one and where the hell did forcing religion on some one come into play.

he said these protests and arguments on this board were like zealots shoving their beliefs on people. pay attention please.