Musicians Demand Records of Music Used for Torture at GITMO

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Byrnzie wrote:
    On another note....I wonder if any of the Arab dudes in Gitmo are now Pearl Jam fans? :P
    ...
    Does this mean they will be joining the Ten/VHC and bitching about the people in the front rows not 'Rocking out enough' or 'Going apeshit'?
    If so, that would be torture to us.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    [quote

    an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.[/quote]
    Do you understand WAR? Would you be willing to go over and solve everything for us. PLease?[/quote]
    i am sure that she understands war. the question is do you understand reality?




    aerial it seems you are trying to justify torture and say that is saved american lives. there is no proof that this torture yielded any useful info from these inmates. this is not "24" and jack bauer does not exist. the days of government sponsored, anything goes, and violate human rights as a means to an end US foreign policy are over. policy is changing whether you, or hannity, or beck, or oreilly likes it or not. the war on terror as we have known it for the last 8 years, with black prisons, extraordinary rendition, and torture is coming to an end. i am sure that triumphantangel would be more than willing to "go over there and solve everything for us", but you know that that is what diplomats are for.[/quote]

    It was said that they did get life saving information and yes if torture (Play loud music to long..water drops on there head OMG) is going to save American lives
    I am all for it. Because of people like you Americans will be the only ones tortured....you think terroist are going to fight by any type of guidelines...Come on get REAL....they don't even have the guts to wear a uniform.....they are cowards....and people want to give them rights.....Now thats stupid!
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    aerial wrote:
    It was said that they did get life saving information and yes if torture (Play loud music to long..water drops on there head OMG) is going to save American lives
    I am all for it. Because of people like you Americans will be the only ones tortured....you think terroist are going to fight by any type of guidelines...Come on get REAL....they don't even have the guts to wear a uniform.....they are cowards....and people want to give them rights.....Now thats stupid!

    That's why it's so important that we don't use torture. We shouldn't sink to their level. The unwillingness to do things like that is what is supposed to separate us from them.
  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    soulsinging wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    It was said that they did get life saving information and yes if torture (Play loud music to long..water drops on there head OMG) is going to save American lives
    I am all for it. Because of people like you Americans will be the only ones tortured....you think terroist are going to fight by any type of guidelines...Come on get REAL....they don't even have the guts to wear a uniform.....they are cowards....and people want to give them rights.....Now thats stupid!

    That's why it's so important that we don't use torture. We shouldn't sink to their level. The unwillingness to do things like that is what is supposed to separate us from them.

    Totally agree. What we do says something about us, not about the 'other side'.
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  • TravisTheSky
    TravisTheSky Posts: 615
    DeLukin wrote:
    Obviously Gitmo is a complex issue. If was as easy as getting a few musicians to generate headlines to close it, it would've been gone the day after Obama took office. Regardless of intentions this just comes off looking like some kind of publicity stunt with little credibility.

    Exactly: Obama turned out to be a huge publicity stunt with no credibility!
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Do the Musicians know Americans are tortured also. Where is the outrage!


    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is currently the Director of the Mapping Sharia Project and the Owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing (dgaubatz.blogspot.com). He can be contacted at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:davegaubatz@gmail.com">davegaubatz@gmail.com</a><!-- e -->.

    FP: Dave Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview.


    There has been an enormous amount of talk about torture of Islamic terrorists who have been captured, specifically since the war in Iraq (2003); what are your thoughts?


    Gaubatz: I believe it is time intelligence officers and other agents who were involved in obtaining evidence from terrorists on the ground in Iraq at the start of the war (2003) begin helping one another out and telling it like it was.


    In April – July 2003, while in Nasiriyah, Iraq, I had the opportunity to talk with the Director of Saddam’s Nasiriyah Hospital, several doctors, and nurses who actually attended to Private Jessica Lynch when she was a POW. In addition another agent and I had the opportunity to 'interrogate' the Director of the 'Red Crescent' who was located across the road from the hospital. This Director was responsible for the torture and death of American soldiers from the 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, TX, and many other service members throughout Iraq.


    FP: What guidance were you and your team of counter-terrorism officers provided for conducting interviews or interrogations?


    Gaubatz: Jamie, it is important to note many of the interrogations our team conducted were not within the safe confines of a ‘friendly’ base or inside a prison. The vast majority of our interrogations were in the field. The only guidance other agents and I had received was the enemy we were fighting were specifically Islamic terrorists (Saddam civilian Fedeyeen and supporters of Al Qaeda); neither who wore military uniforms.


    When I was deployed to Iraq, I was an 1811 U.S. Federal Agent. I had been briefed by our government that since I was a civilian, but would have identification indicating I was a Major, be carrying an M16, a 9mm, and other weapons. If the enemy captured me I would be considered a spy under the ‘Geneva Convention’ and would likely be executed. Our government leaders advised me during briefings they would have no legal authority to prevent this. I acknowledged I understood these rights and was willing to take the risks for our country.


    These were essentially our rules of engagement in the field as well. If the enemy had no uniform they were not soldiers and were considered terrorists. They had no rights. This did not mean we abused captured enemies, but it does mean we thought we had the support of our government to obtain all and any information that would protect our ‘troops’ and our country. And we did collect an enormous amount of intelligence.


    FP: Can you name politicians who were aware of intelligence that was being obtained during interrogations?


    Gaubatz: It would be easier to name the ones who were not concerned. In early 2003, Americans fighting in Iraq felt we had the support of all politicians, regardless of political affiliation. We had inquires from politicians of all levels about the intelligence we were collecting. These politicians had constituents who wanted answers on the war and I believe deserved answers. Our teams wrote hundreds of intelligence reports and we briefed many through other electronic means. One such person at the time was then Senator Joe Biden (now VP Biden). I still have my war notes taken from the field, and his name was written in my book on 7 June 2003.


    Biden was aware of intelligence we were obtaining from the field, and never did anyone question our methods of obtaining the intelligence. We were professionals and collected intelligence using the best method one could when surrounded by enemies sometimes 6 to our 2.


    FP: Can you provide some specific intelligence you were able to obtain during filed interviews and interrogations?


    Gaubatz: Yes, it is time American intelligence officers begin bringing forth the truth of the realities of how our brave troops were treated during Operation Iraqi Freedom by the same people who are now being protected and soon to be released by President Obama and with the support VP Biden, who knew the truth about our soldiers being tortured.


    Why will he not speak about it? Did Biden know Iranians were entering Iraq and providing sophisticated weapons to Islamic terrorists to kill our brave troops? I am not trying to single out Biden who knew what was going on, but to let the American people understand both Republicans and Democratic leaders were aware of the situation in Iraq.


    We were being encouraged by both parties to obtain intelligence to protect our troops and country.


    When we went to war in 2003, we were facing an enemy we were not prepared for, and still aren’t. The enemy was not simply the Army of Saddam, but the Islamic terrorists who were residing in Iraq well before 2003. Once we entered Iraq, the Iranians began entering southern Iraq and were paying Islamic suicide bombers to kill Americans. VP Biden and all key government leaders were provided reports of these acts.


    Now I watch television daily and hear our liberal leaders whining about Islamic terrorists who may have been ‘slapped’, or put into a box with a caterpillar. None of these liberals were standing up for civilian intelligence officers in 2003 that were being deployed to Iraq with misleading identification and weapons.


    When we went to war in 2003, we were facing an enemy we were not prepared for, and still aren’t. The enemy was not simply the Army of Saddam, but the Islamic terrorists who were residing in Iraq well before 2003. Once we entered Iraq, the Iranians began entering southern Iraq and were paying Islamic suicide bombers to kill Americans.


    I mentioned in my first question, I had interrogated ‘Enemy Prisoners of War’ (EPWs) in the field during the war. One was the Director of the Red Crescent in Nasiriyah, Iraq.


    Below is the reality of what our troops faced and the tortures they endured. We obtained intelligence during interrogations. We subsequently saved lives.


    Below is a sampling of the results of the interrogations agents and I obtained: I have the documents, photographs, and contact information of Iraqis and U.S. personnel who were also aware. Anything I write or speak about can be verified. Simply ask VP Biden and our President to release the complete intelligence reports my team and I wrote in 2003.


    1. When the members of the 507th were ambushed in Nasiriyah, Iraq, Private Jessica Lynch was initially taken to an Iraqi military base hospital in the Nasiriyah area (not the civilian hospital). Some of the other 507th were killed during the ambush, and others were captured and then murdered.


    2. I visited the military hospital Private Lynch was held and it can be best described as 'filth'. Jessica suffered physically and psychologically at this military facility.


    3. When our brave troops began bombing this Iraqi base, the Iraqis decided to move Private Lynch to the Nasiriyah civilian hospital. The leaders of the Baath Party were using the basement of the hospital and its many tunnels as sanctuary.


    4. Jessica Lynch was drugged, tied up, and placed under the stretcher in a Red Crescent vehicle. The Director of the Red Crescent was a senior member of the Baath Party and was allowing the use of ambulances to transport weapons and Saddam supporters (military and Saddam's civilian Fedeyeen forces) throughout Iraq. Our U.S. military on the ground had been informed the 'Rules of Engagement' did not allow searching mosques, schools, or Red Crescent ambulances. U.S. military personnel died as a result of this.


    5. A few days before Private Lynch was rescued, she was placed in Saddam’s civilian hospital.


    6. The doctor of Jessica Lynch and a brave Iraqi lady was 'Hameeda'. She is the sister-in-law of my good friend Mohammed Odeh Al Rehaief. Mohammed is the Iraqi lawyer who had provided intelligence to U.S. forces which enabled Jessica to be rescued.


    7. Jessica Lynch's hospital bed was located near a window overlooking a soccer field near the grounds of the hospital. She had been forced to watch as some of her team members were tortured, beheaded and buried.


    8. One agent and I had interviewed the Saddam Hospital staff and determined the location of the dead Americans who had been killed during the 507th ambush.


    9. The Director took us to a position on the soccer field and said the 507th members had been buried in front of the soccer goal posts, so the children would run over their graves while playing soccer. This was to dishonor our ‘troops’.


    10. The Director informed us the 507th members had been beheaded and many had been dragged through the streets of Nasiriayh.


    11. The night before Jessica Lynch was rescued; the Fedeyeen had threatened to take Jessica Lynch from her hospital bed, use a ‘Red Crescent vehicle, and go into the desert area outside of Nasiriyah. The Fedeyeen were going to bury Jessica alive in the vehicle. The doctor of Jessica was able to talk the Fedeyeen out of removing her this night. The next day our troops rescued her.


    12. I wrote numerous intelligence reports pertaining to these tragedies and others. Senator Biden and many others were aware of the tortures our troops underwent, and the ‘interrogation results I and others had conducted on Enemy of Prisoners of War (EPW), and the results.


    FP: Can you mention any other intelligence you were able to obtain during interrogations?


    Gaubatz: I have hundreds of pages of personal notes, photographs, names, dates, locations, and yes, VP Biden was aware of intelligence we were obtaining from EPWs. He nor any politician ever asked how we were obtaining.


    EPWs informed our teams of hidden weapons, the locations of Fedeyeeen forces, the locations and methods of ‘suicide bombers, and the Iranians who were entering southern Iraq to provide specialized weapons to insurgents, and paying Iraqis to conduct ‘suicide bombings against our troops’.


    I still have the listing of insurgents, their locations, and the type weapons they had to use against our troops. These notes were written in Arabic, translated into English and then forwarded to all levels of our government.


    Our troops knew in 2003 we were facing an ‘evil ideology’ of Islamic terrorists, many died, and many more will likely sacrifice their lives because we have politicians who care more for their careers than they do the security of our nation.


    I am releasing several never before seen documents and photographs I obtained while working counter-intelligence/counter-intelligence in 2003. Why? Because the intelligence gathering abilities of our brave officers is being hampered, this translates into our country facing a national security threat from Islamic terrorists. This means our children will become their targets.


    I believe it disturbs many Americans and the intelligence officers that now we have liberal Democrats in office who know the truth about the sufferings of our troops, and now stand up for the rights of Islamic terrorists who may have to be pushed around to save our troops. I will not be one responsible for their deaths and the sufferings their parents will go through simply because a politician wants to placate the liberals who care more for Islamic terrorists than they do for their neighbor’s son or daughter fighting for our country.


    FP: Final words?


    Gaubatz: I have never written or said anything I can’t substantiate under oath when required to do so. Will VP Biden, Pelosi or others do the same under oath? I believe it is time the American public demand they begin answering our questions; with their right hand raised, using a Bible, not the Quran. Thank you.

    Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev’s Soviet Union and is the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz’s Left Illusions. His new book is United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror. To see his previous symposiums, interviews and articles Click Here. Email him at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:jglazov@rogers.com">jglazov@rogers.com</a><!-- e -->.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    US troops are not being tortured with these artists music, could be one reason there is no outrage by the artists. why should they speak out against something they cannot possibly hope to influence anyway? it would be pointless to speak out against the torture you're talking about. a militant group doesn't have to concern itself with public opinion, a state does.



    the interview is a lame attempt to excuse torture, and makes very little sense in the over all scheme of things.


    the best way to keep your troops out of harms way is by not putting them in it in the first place.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Commy wrote:
    US troops are not being tortured with these artists music, could be one reason there is no outrage by the artists. why should they speak out against something they cannot possibly hope to influence anyway? it would be pointless to speak out against the torture you're talking about. a militant group doesn't have to concern itself with public opinion, a state does.



    the interview is a lame attempt to excuse torture, and makes very little sense in the over all scheme of things.


    the best way to keep your troops out of harms way is by not putting them in it in the first place.

    I see take up for the enemy but not your fellow Americans....just beacuse they played there music?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    aerial wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    US troops are not being tortured with these artists music, could be one reason there is no outrage by the artists. why should they speak out against something they cannot possibly hope to influence anyway? it would be pointless to speak out against the torture you're talking about. a militant group doesn't have to concern itself with public opinion, a state does.



    the interview is a lame attempt to excuse torture, and makes very little sense in the over all scheme of things.


    the best way to keep your troops out of harms way is by not putting them in it in the first place.

    I see take up for the enemy but not your fellow Americans....just beacuse they played there music?

    do you not see that you are missing the point of what commy said? he is not taking up for the enemy. he is just saying that the interview you posted is only relevent to the topic because we put our soldiers in harm's way, and the music, which was the topic of this thread, was not used on our guys. those musicians are most likely not in favor of torture on our people, they are against ALL TORTURE!
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Commy wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Do you understand WAR? Would you be willing to go over and solve everything for us. PLease?
    can you refresh my memory, what problems are these wars solving?
    ...
    That is the 780 Billion Dollar question... what do we get by 'Winning' Afghanistan?
    A lifetime of an American military presence there where our soldiers get killed one an two at a time by people who don't want us there... except for the Afghani 'Leaders' who will get billions of taxpayer dollars in a half-hearted, half-assed attempt to prolong a 'War On Terror'?
    If someone else has an answer... please, tell me what it is to ease my mind and get behind this fiasco.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.


    how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?
    don't compete; coexist

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.


    how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?


    Secret government records are a secret for a reason.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    aerial wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.


    how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?


    Secret government records are a secret for a reason.


    sometimes to hide crimes?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing


    how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?[/quote]


    Secret government records are a secret for a reason.[/quote]


    sometimes to hide crimes?[/quote]


    Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    aerial wrote:

    Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..

    So you think they should shut up? We should all keep to ourselves and pretend that the gov't is "doing their job"? Silence is the enemy. Keeping quiet is acting like you're a victim of a Fascist state, especially when you have every right to say what you want. Or have you forgotten that we have Freedom of Speech here?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.

    i know many soldiers, both current, as well as vietnam and WWII era from helping my father at his VFW post, and from my job at the doctor's office that gets many referrals from the air force base to treat the active duty and veterans' injuries. most of them are very humble people and do not look at what they do or have done as anything overly glorious like being "willing to give their life for everyone in the united states of america". i can say that all of them that i have gotten to know do not look at it like that. they look at it as having a job to do and getting injured or killed was just an occupational hazard. they just want to support their family. most of them do not want to be placed on a pedestal and want only to live a quiet life. not one of them would pat themselves on the back and say that they placed their life on the line for everyone in the country. they would have serious ego issues if they did that. that said, how do you think that "declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations" will put our troops in more danger?? these two variables are not even correlated.

    i do not see a connection between releasing records pertaining to music that was used to torture prisoners equating to incresed danger for the troops....for one, how does us playing the music to torture these people keep our troops safer and if the records are released how will that threaten the troops? the records are a matter of public record and are evidence in the case that we tortured people at gitmo.

    so please explain to me how releasing the records of things that have already happened will have a negative impact on the soldiers already in the field. the enemy is not going to say "they released the records of music used at gitmo...lets kill all of the soldiers." chances are they were planning on killing them for other reasons already.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
    ...
    How do you suppose the soldiers feel about our government 'Keeping Secrets' from the very citizens they are fighting for?
    The Government kept secret the helath dangers to the soldiers they had exposed to radiation bombardment during the atmosperic atomic bomb testing in the Navada deserts in the 1950s. 'Government Secrets' of the past were illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos during the Viet Nam War. Government kept secrrets about Agent Orange from the soldiers so they wouldn't have to pay for the damage it did to their health. More recently, the government tried to keep Gulf War Syndrome under wraps... exposure to the effects of depleteded uramium warheads. And the denial of the existance of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to the Iraq and Afghanistan troops.
    The Soldiers fight to defend the PEOPLE of the United States, the Constitution of the United States... not the Government of the United States... and surely NOT THE POLITICIANS for the United States. It is OUR duty as citizens to protect their honor by exposing the truth about the war.
    If you ask me... you do a great DISSERVICE to those whom have died in a war... by keeping secrets from their loved ones and the people they died in defense of. Just ask the Tillman Family.
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  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Was the music in question owned and used by the personel working there, or actually owned by the government? I'm still a little confused as to how they are going to do anything legally to get their music "back". They are going to have to find Pvt Smucky who worked there some 6 years ago and get a warrent to search his CD collection? I think protesting is all they can do, I don't know what else they can legally do.
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  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
    ...
    How do you suppose the soldiers feel about our government 'Keeping Secrets' from the very citizens they are fighting for?
    The Government kept secret the helath dangers to the soldiers they had exposed to radiation bombardment during the atmosperic atomic bomb testing in the Navada deserts in the 1950s. 'Government Secrets' of the past were illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos during the Viet Nam War. Government kept secrrets about Agent Orange from the soldiers so they wouldn't have to pay for the damage it did to their health. More recently, the government tried to keep Gulf War Syndrome under wraps... exposure to the effects of depleteded uramium warheads. And the denial of the existance of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to the Iraq and Afghanistan troops.
    The Soldiers fight to defend the PEOPLE of the United States, the Constitution of the United States... not the Government of the United States... and surely NOT THE POLITICIANS for the United States. It is OUR duty as citizens to protect their honor by exposing the truth about the war.
    If you ask me... you do a great DISSERVICE to those whom have died in a war... by keeping secrets from their loved ones and the people they died in defense of. Just ask the Tillman Family.

    You're right to a point, but keeping secrets is important to some level of national secruity. I know the company you work for keeps a tight lid on what they give out to people.
    BRING BACK THE WHALE

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