We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?
Secret government records are a secret for a reason.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?
Secret government records are a secret for a reason.
sometimes to hide crimes?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing
how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?[/quote]
Secret government records are a secret for a reason.[/quote]
sometimes to hide crimes?[/quote]
Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..
So you think they should shut up? We should all keep to ourselves and pretend that the gov't is "doing their job"? Silence is the enemy. Keeping quiet is acting like you're a victim of a Fascist state, especially when you have every right to say what you want. Or have you forgotten that we have Freedom of Speech here?
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
i know many soldiers, both current, as well as vietnam and WWII era from helping my father at his VFW post, and from my job at the doctor's office that gets many referrals from the air force base to treat the active duty and veterans' injuries. most of them are very humble people and do not look at what they do or have done as anything overly glorious like being "willing to give their life for everyone in the united states of america". i can say that all of them that i have gotten to know do not look at it like that. they look at it as having a job to do and getting injured or killed was just an occupational hazard. they just want to support their family. most of them do not want to be placed on a pedestal and want only to live a quiet life. not one of them would pat themselves on the back and say that they placed their life on the line for everyone in the country. they would have serious ego issues if they did that. that said, how do you think that "declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations" will put our troops in more danger?? these two variables are not even correlated.
i do not see a connection between releasing records pertaining to music that was used to torture prisoners equating to incresed danger for the troops....for one, how does us playing the music to torture these people keep our troops safer and if the records are released how will that threaten the troops? the records are a matter of public record and are evidence in the case that we tortured people at gitmo.
so please explain to me how releasing the records of things that have already happened will have a negative impact on the soldiers already in the field. the enemy is not going to say "they released the records of music used at gitmo...lets kill all of the soldiers." chances are they were planning on killing them for other reasons already.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
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How do you suppose the soldiers feel about our government 'Keeping Secrets' from the very citizens they are fighting for?
The Government kept secret the helath dangers to the soldiers they had exposed to radiation bombardment during the atmosperic atomic bomb testing in the Navada deserts in the 1950s. 'Government Secrets' of the past were illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos during the Viet Nam War. Government kept secrrets about Agent Orange from the soldiers so they wouldn't have to pay for the damage it did to their health. More recently, the government tried to keep Gulf War Syndrome under wraps... exposure to the effects of depleteded uramium warheads. And the denial of the existance of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to the Iraq and Afghanistan troops.
The Soldiers fight to defend the PEOPLE of the United States, the Constitution of the United States... not the Government of the United States... and surely NOT THE POLITICIANS for the United States. It is OUR duty as citizens to protect their honor by exposing the truth about the war.
If you ask me... you do a great DISSERVICE to those whom have died in a war... by keeping secrets from their loved ones and the people they died in defense of. Just ask the Tillman Family.
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Was the music in question owned and used by the personel working there, or actually owned by the government? I'm still a little confused as to how they are going to do anything legally to get their music "back". They are going to have to find Pvt Smucky who worked there some 6 years ago and get a warrent to search his CD collection? I think protesting is all they can do, I don't know what else they can legally do.
We have soldiers willing to give their life for everyone in the United Stated of America. We need to stand up for each other and our country, while still having disagreements . . . Maybe a good example would be like siblings. You know how it is that we can fight with our sister, and say bad things about her, but god forbid if anyone else does . By declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations they put our soldiers in more danger. I’m sure these crazy Muslims are having a field day with this. There just waiting for all that classified information these musicians will be handing over to them. They must be laughing all the way to there next bombing.
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How do you suppose the soldiers feel about our government 'Keeping Secrets' from the very citizens they are fighting for?
The Government kept secret the helath dangers to the soldiers they had exposed to radiation bombardment during the atmosperic atomic bomb testing in the Navada deserts in the 1950s. 'Government Secrets' of the past were illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos during the Viet Nam War. Government kept secrrets about Agent Orange from the soldiers so they wouldn't have to pay for the damage it did to their health. More recently, the government tried to keep Gulf War Syndrome under wraps... exposure to the effects of depleteded uramium warheads. And the denial of the existance of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to the Iraq and Afghanistan troops.
The Soldiers fight to defend the PEOPLE of the United States, the Constitution of the United States... not the Government of the United States... and surely NOT THE POLITICIANS for the United States. It is OUR duty as citizens to protect their honor by exposing the truth about the war.
If you ask me... you do a great DISSERVICE to those whom have died in a war... by keeping secrets from their loved ones and the people they died in defense of. Just ask the Tillman Family.
You're right to a point, but keeping secrets is important to some level of national secruity. I know the company you work for keeps a tight lid on what they give out to people.
No, it's not as easy as that. As I stated before Obama wants GITMO shut down. He's made no secret about calling it a failed experiment. So why hasn't it happened? I don't know. Neither do you, and neither does Rage Against the Machine. THAT's my point. We can make all the noise we want, but if the most powerful human on the planet wants the place closed down and it hasn't been yet maybe there's more to this issue than putting names on a petition or having rock stars generate press. Do you think we have all the facts on this issue? We don't. And that's why it hasn't been shut down yet. I'm trying to look at the issue objectively (WITHOUT political filters). Is that indifference? I don't think so.
No, it's not as easy as that. As I stated before Obama wants GITMO shut down. He's made no secret about calling it a failed experiment. So why hasn't it happened? I don't know. Neither do you, and neither does Rage Against the Machine. THAT's my point. We can make all the noise we want, but if the most powerful human on the planet wants the place closed down and it hasn't been yet maybe there's more to this issue than putting names on a petition or having rock stars generate press. Do you think we have all the facts on this issue? We don't. And that's why it hasn't been shut down yet. I'm trying to look at the issue objectively (WITHOUT political filters). Is that indifference? I don't think so.
In war times......Playing loud music is not exceptable but chopping off someones head is okay? :?
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
This might sound nefariously inappropriate, but how many soldiers are willing to "die for their country" versus "needing someone to pay for college" or "needing a job with good benefits" and the military is the best way to accomplish that need? That is what is being sold to them on the advertisements anyway.
and if a person is willing to "die for their country," isn't that insanity? (at least in the context of preemptive warfare ala Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al)
How many soldiers lay on their deathbed thinking "I died for a good cause" versus "Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke" (yes, that is Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus I think)
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
This might sound nefariously inappropriate, but how many soldiers are willing to "die for their country" versus "needing someone to pay for college" or "needing a job with good benefits" and the military is the best way to accomplish that need? That is what is being sold to them on the advertisements anyway.
and if a person is willing to "die for their country," isn't that insanity? (at least in the context of preemptive warfare ala Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al)
How many soldiers lay on their deathbed thinking "I died for a good cause" versus "Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke" (yes, that is Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus I think)
Every single one is willing to do die for their country that is what joing the military is about. Maybe it is hard to understand but while I served I knew more people did it more then the college money. Yeah its a good incentive but many have an urge to defned the country they love too.
Do they want to die no I don't thinks so but they all know the risk.
My favorite quote comes to mind. No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country
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08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Every single one is willing to do die for their country that is what joing the military is about. Maybe it is hard to understand but while I served I knew more people did it more then the college money. Yeah its a good incentive but many have an urge to defned the country they love too.
Do they want to die no I don't thinks so but they all know the risk.
My favorite quote comes to mind. No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country
that is all very respectable and like I said, i hope this doesn't sound too inappropriate, but I still don't see why anyone would be willing to die for any war since WWII. Willing to die for what? The false pretense of establishing a democracy? Oil? Temporary eradication of terrorists? If so, that is insanity. Otherwise, IT SEEMS they are doing it to go to college, the bennies, or they are just brainwashed. :? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with anyone's reasons to be in the military and I certainly am not proselytizing this thought process, but I still don't get the whole "dying for your country" thing. Such a waste of a life, if you ask me. All I know is that we are here now, we might only have this one life to live, and "nationality" and "patriotism" and "morality" are the reason for every war and they GLORIFY most wars. Its sick.
A bad joke, bad joke, bad joke.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Every single one is willing to do die for their country that is what joing the military is about. Maybe it is hard to understand but while I served I knew more people did it more then the college money. Yeah its a good incentive but many have an urge to defned the country they love too.
Do they want to die no I don't thinks so but they all know the risk.
My favorite quote comes to mind. No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country
How does invading Afghanistan and Iraq constitute defending your country?
Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..
that is all very respectable and like I said, i hope this doesn't sound too inappropriate, but I still don't see why anyone would be willing to die for any war since WWII. Willing to die for what? The false pretense of establishing a democracy? Oil? Temporary eradication of terrorists? If so, that is insanity. Otherwise, IT SEEMS they are doing it to go to college, the bennies, or they are just brainwashed. :? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with anyone's reasons to be in the military and I certainly am not proselytizing this thought process, but I still don't get the whole "dying for your country" thing. Such a waste of a life, if you ask me. All I know is that we are here now, we might only have this one life to live, and "nationality" and "patriotism" and "morality" are the reason for every war and they GLORIFY most wars. Its sick.
A bad joke, bad joke, bad joke.
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Great thought.
I forget who said it... so I have to paraphrase, **War is the decision made by old men to send their young men off to kill another old man's young men**
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
This might sound nefariously inappropriate, but how many soldiers are willing to "die for their country" versus "needing someone to pay for college" or "needing a job with good benefits" and the military is the best way to accomplish that need? That is what is being sold to them on the advertisements anyway.
and if a person is willing to "die for their country," isn't that insanity? (at least in the context of preemptive warfare ala Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al)
How many soldiers lay on their deathbed thinking "I died for a good cause" versus "Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke" (yes, that is Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus I think)
No U.S soldier has died 'for their country' in Iraq or Afghanistan. They've died in the attempt to fatten the wallets of a handful of fish-bellies in Washington and Texas.
To think that the average American citizen could benefit one iota from the fact that a million poor, brown skinned people have been snuffed out in the Middle East is incredibly delusional. Iraq has been destroyed and turned into a lawless terrorist training camp.
Afghanistan is run by warlords and has been turned into a terrorist training camp, and Bin Laden is alive and well 6 years after the event. No U.S soldier has 'died for their country'. They've died for a fucked-up foreign policy instigated by a bunch of fat-cat liars and armchair murderers in D.C, and these money Nazis do not represent your country.
This might sound nefariously inappropriate, but how many soldiers are willing to "die for their country" versus "needing someone to pay for college" or "needing a job with good benefits" and the military is the best way to accomplish that need? That is what is being sold to them on the advertisements anyway.
and if a person is willing to "die for their country," isn't that insanity? (at least in the context of preemptive warfare ala Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al)
How many soldiers lay on their deathbed thinking "I died for a good cause" versus "Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke" (yes, that is Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus I think)
No U.S soldier has died 'for their country' in Iraq or Afghanistan. They've died in the attempt to fatten the wallets of a handful of fish-bellies in Washington and Texas.
To think that the average American citizen could benefit one iota from the fact that a million poor, brown skinned people have been snuffed out in the Middle East is incredibly delusional. Iraq has been destroyed and turned into a lawless terrorist training camp.
Afghanistan is run by warlords and has been turned into a terrorist training camp, and Bin Laden is alive and well 6 years after the event. No U.S soldier has 'died for their country'. They've died for a fucked-up foreign policy instigated by a bunch of fat-cat liars and armchair murderers in D.C, and these money Nazis do not represent your country.
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how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Secret government records are a secret for a reason.
sometimes to hide crimes?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
how does knowing information on when the music was used endanger the troops?[/quote]
Secret government records are a secret for a reason.[/quote]
sometimes to hide crimes?[/quote]
Sometimes........but what do these musicians want with the records?...what do they want to get out of this?...what good will come from this? Important military information could be leaked that could jeopardize our country and our military..
So you think they should shut up? We should all keep to ourselves and pretend that the gov't is "doing their job"? Silence is the enemy. Keeping quiet is acting like you're a victim of a Fascist state, especially when you have every right to say what you want. Or have you forgotten that we have Freedom of Speech here?
i know many soldiers, both current, as well as vietnam and WWII era from helping my father at his VFW post, and from my job at the doctor's office that gets many referrals from the air force base to treat the active duty and veterans' injuries. most of them are very humble people and do not look at what they do or have done as anything overly glorious like being "willing to give their life for everyone in the united states of america". i can say that all of them that i have gotten to know do not look at it like that. they look at it as having a job to do and getting injured or killed was just an occupational hazard. they just want to support their family. most of them do not want to be placed on a pedestal and want only to live a quiet life. not one of them would pat themselves on the back and say that they placed their life on the line for everyone in the country. they would have serious ego issues if they did that. that said, how do you think that "declassifying all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations" will put our troops in more danger?? these two variables are not even correlated.
i do not see a connection between releasing records pertaining to music that was used to torture prisoners equating to incresed danger for the troops....for one, how does us playing the music to torture these people keep our troops safer and if the records are released how will that threaten the troops? the records are a matter of public record and are evidence in the case that we tortured people at gitmo.
so please explain to me how releasing the records of things that have already happened will have a negative impact on the soldiers already in the field. the enemy is not going to say "they released the records of music used at gitmo...lets kill all of the soldiers." chances are they were planning on killing them for other reasons already.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
How do you suppose the soldiers feel about our government 'Keeping Secrets' from the very citizens they are fighting for?
The Government kept secret the helath dangers to the soldiers they had exposed to radiation bombardment during the atmosperic atomic bomb testing in the Navada deserts in the 1950s. 'Government Secrets' of the past were illegal wars in Cambodia and Laos during the Viet Nam War. Government kept secrrets about Agent Orange from the soldiers so they wouldn't have to pay for the damage it did to their health. More recently, the government tried to keep Gulf War Syndrome under wraps... exposure to the effects of depleteded uramium warheads. And the denial of the existance of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to the Iraq and Afghanistan troops.
The Soldiers fight to defend the PEOPLE of the United States, the Constitution of the United States... not the Government of the United States... and surely NOT THE POLITICIANS for the United States. It is OUR duty as citizens to protect their honor by exposing the truth about the war.
If you ask me... you do a great DISSERVICE to those whom have died in a war... by keeping secrets from their loved ones and the people they died in defense of. Just ask the Tillman Family.
Hail, Hail!!!
You're right to a point, but keeping secrets is important to some level of national secruity. I know the company you work for keeps a tight lid on what they give out to people.
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and if a person is willing to "die for their country," isn't that insanity? (at least in the context of preemptive warfare ala Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al)
How many soldiers lay on their deathbed thinking "I died for a good cause" versus "Bad joke, bad joke, bad joke" (yes, that is Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus I think)
Every single one is willing to do die for their country that is what joing the military is about. Maybe it is hard to understand but while I served I knew more people did it more then the college money. Yeah its a good incentive but many have an urge to defned the country they love too.
Do they want to die no I don't thinks so but they all know the risk.
My favorite quote comes to mind. No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country
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00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
that is all very respectable and like I said, i hope this doesn't sound too inappropriate, but I still don't see why anyone would be willing to die for any war since WWII. Willing to die for what? The false pretense of establishing a democracy? Oil? Temporary eradication of terrorists? If so, that is insanity. Otherwise, IT SEEMS they are doing it to go to college, the bennies, or they are just brainwashed. :? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with anyone's reasons to be in the military and I certainly am not proselytizing this thought process, but I still don't get the whole "dying for your country" thing. Such a waste of a life, if you ask me. All I know is that we are here now, we might only have this one life to live, and "nationality" and "patriotism" and "morality" are the reason for every war and they GLORIFY most wars. Its sick.
A bad joke, bad joke, bad joke.
How does invading Afghanistan and Iraq constitute defending your country?
I call 'Bullshit'.
Great thought.
I forget who said it... so I have to paraphrase, **War is the decision made by old men to send their young men off to kill another old man's young men**
Hail, Hail!!!
No U.S soldier has died 'for their country' in Iraq or Afghanistan. They've died in the attempt to fatten the wallets of a handful of fish-bellies in Washington and Texas.
To think that the average American citizen could benefit one iota from the fact that a million poor, brown skinned people have been snuffed out in the Middle East is incredibly delusional. Iraq has been destroyed and turned into a lawless terrorist training camp.
Afghanistan is run by warlords and has been turned into a terrorist training camp, and Bin Laden is alive and well 6 years after the event. No U.S soldier has 'died for their country'. They've died for a fucked-up foreign policy instigated by a bunch of fat-cat liars and armchair murderers in D.C, and these money Nazis do not represent your country.
Wow...you need a hug