Kat, Sea, 10C - can there PLEASE be a limit on buying merch?

walkunafraid

joberschlake wrote:

I had to leave the restaurant I was at in Seattle to get in line early, and made my friend that had no interest in it come with. It's the nature of the beast, this has been going on for years with the posters. People buy them, and flip them on ebay.

It may be the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean that people should just accept it. I am surprised that anyone who listens to Pearl Jam's music would imply that.

While the idea of a (1) shirt per person limit would be ok, they still only have like (1) box of these shirts at the show, so even with a limit, there's a REALLY good chance that they'd still sell out super fast

I don't mind making the shirts limited. I would be okay with not getting a shirt if I simply was outdone by a bunch of fans buying one shirt for them to wear. What's not right is not getting a shirt because some greedy fuckers decide that they are going to buy them all so that they can profit off the band. I can't imagine the band would be okay with that either.

If you are at the show and want the shirt that bad, leave the bar and get in line.

I wasn't at a bar. I got to the show over an hour before the opening band went on. I left for the venue immediately after work without even stopping to go home so that I could buy some merchandise and enjoy Ben Harper. I stood in line. That didn't help the fact that people got there before me and bought (and were allowed to be) armfuls of shirts to scalp. I saw groups of guys split up, go to separate booths, buy a bunch of shirts, then run to the booth where there buddy was still was to cut in line and buy more.

Sorry, I don't see how anyone could just accept that as "the nature of the beast."

Cosmo

Better than that...
Print a bunch of shirts and sell them at this website.
This way you punish the dufuses that wil spend 200 bucks for a 35 dollar t-shirt and that market will dry up.
Next time 'round... the people who buy 10 shirts at the gigs will have to either have to eat the shirts... or sell them at a loss.

joberschlake

walkunafraid wrote:

joberschlake wrote:

I had to leave the restaurant I was at in Seattle to get in line early, and made my friend that had no interest in it come with. It's the nature of the beast, this has been going on for years with the posters. People buy them, and flip them on ebay.

It may be the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean that people should just accept it. I am surprised that anyone who listens to Pearl Jam's music would imply that.

While the idea of a (1) shirt per person limit would be ok, they still only have like (1) box of these shirts at the show, so even with a limit, there's a REALLY good chance that they'd still sell out super fast

I don't mind making the shirts limited. I would be okay with not getting a shirt if I simply was outdone by a bunch of fans buying one shirt for them to wear. What's not right is not getting a shirt because some greedy fuckers decide that they are going to buy them all so that they can profit off the band. I can't imagine the band would be okay with that either.

If you are at the show and want the shirt that bad, leave the bar and get in line.

I wasn't at a bar. I got to the show over an hour before the opening band went on. I left for the venue immediately after work without even stopping to go home so that I could buy some merchandise and enjoy Ben Harper. I stood in line. That didn't help the fact that people got there before me and bought (and were allowed to be) armfuls of shirts to scalp. I saw groups of guys split up, go to separate booths, buy a bunch of shirts, then run to the booth where there buddy was still was to cut in line and buy more.

Sorry, I don't see how anyone could just accept that as "the nature of the beast."

Look man, I was bummed I didn't get a Chicago shirt. I was more bummed when it went for 500 bucks on ebay. But I am not entitled to a shirt at the show. If they sell out of a limited shirt, then they sell out. Life goes on, those things happen. I'm not sure why a Pearl Jam fan shouldn't be ok with the way things are. I am a fan of a band who sells shirts at their shows. Just because of that doesn't mean I am guaranteed one at every show I go to. I go to the shows for the music, and if I get a shirt, then it's an added bonus.

As far as greedy fuckers buying all of them up to make a profit, I understand, as I'm not a fan of it. Maybe I make less of a deal out of it because I'm used to seeing people drive the market up on things. If you think this is ridiculous for a shirt, check out Ohio state football tickets online sometime. I live in Columbus, and it's a joke for what people want to go to a game. Honestly man, it sucks, but as long as someone is willing to shell out 500 bucks for a shirt, it's going to keep happening. The merch booths used to limit posters to one per person, and flippers/scalpers still got people to buy them extra posters, and they still flipped them. So yes, it's the nature of the beast, and even with a 1 per person limit, it's not going to stop it.

RoughMix

Don't make the shirts so "limited".
If there is more available that alone will stop people from buying 10 or more at a time.
It is ironic that a "club" which is against selling anything over face value, creates an after market for products which they limit in the first place.

breath123

lukinreprise wrote:

breath123 wrote:

I emailed the 10c on this, everyone should do the same.

as far as the issue of blaming the buyers or the sellers, I am torn.

yeah, the guys buying 20 limited edition shirts (as they did at LA2) are bottom dwelling scumbags for sure.

however, if there is no buyer, there is no market.

I've got a great silk screener. I have a mind to make a bunch of knockoffs and flood ebay with them for cheap.

that's kind of like punishing the buyer, but you know what they say...

beware.

You doing worse than the shirt flippers is somehow making this situation better?

Shit, if you went to a show, and someone bought all the merch before you had a chance to even see the merch table.. you wouldn't be tempted to try to buy some? What if it were your first show? The time of your life? It's not all the buyers fault, sure, they kinda make the economy, but flipping ripped off t-shirts is way worse (to me, anyways).


I know what I'm trying to say, just not sure if it's getting out the way I want.

Limit 1 per person, please.

I completely agree with you on all points!

I did want a lakers shirt, obviously I didn't get one. I was bummed. I did have the time of my life!

as for my idea, you'd laugh if you knew how lazy i am.

I was just saying that If I made a shirt of equal quality that looked exactly the same, I made no profit and I actually took away the profit of people trying to stick it to PJ fans, that's a negative somehow?

frankly the whole t shirt thing is ridiculous. you think they will be worth anything after 10 years like posters?

Bottom line, don't buy them on e bay and people won't buy 20 of them in the merch line.

Cosmo

breath123 wrote:

Bottom line, don't buy them on e bay and people won't buy 20 of them in the merch line.

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This is the solution.

elwayvedder

wht would be nice is if a simple email came out from the 10c and said "fear not if you didn't get a sports themed shirt at a certain show. like the posters, we will have them available online after the 2009 tour."

NoCode_inMT

Bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heather_honey

elwayvedder wrote:

wht would be nice is if a simple email came out from the 10c and said "fear not if you didn't get a sports themed shirt at a certain show. like the posters, we will have them available online after the 2009 tour."

I agree. I'd love to get a Seahawks tee but I wasn't there and I'm NOT paying eBay prices. Hopefully it'll work out like the BS Target tees and more will be online. Sooner than later would be nice to put a stop to the flippers but, eh, either I'll get one at regular price or I just won't get one.

P.S. - who's got $100+ for a t-shirt these days? Or any day for that matter?!?!

Cosmo

I have a good idea for Los Angeles...
Make the next 2 L.A. shirts the Clippers and the Sparks.
No one wants those.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

I have a good idea for Los Angeles...
Make the next 2 L.A. shirts the Clippers and the Sparks.
No one wants those.

my friend is hoping for the Sol

Fahka

Id have to say that other than like a few shouldn't be allowed.. I mean, three.. okay that could be for family/friends but 10? Fuck that...

IamMine

Cosmo wrote:

Better than that...
Print a bunch of shirts and sell them at this website.
This way you punish the dufuses that wil spend 200 bucks for a 35 dollar t-shirt and that market will dry up.
Next time 'round... the people who buy 10 shirts at the gigs will have to either have to eat the shirts... or sell them at a loss.

Me like your idea, Comso...

A little devil in me is hoping that is exactly what they will do with the orange vinyl.... and people are going to feel like asswipes for spending at least 450 bucks!

Oh please don't preach me about demand and supply... I completely understand - I've taken courses in businesses and economics...

It's also a psychological game (or marketing if you want me to be politically correct )....

As much as I hate seeing people doing this shit, I hate it even worse when people HAVE the money and can afford to bid the highest, which leads to the "standard" or "average" for other prospective sellers to sell... (orange vinyl is one example).

If people weren't thinking for themselves, things would be a lot easier.... but sadly, that is not the case.

So we gotta come with policies... and communication - e.g. the merch workers and people in charge....

That would reduce, not eliminating, the numbers of profit-seeking people.

I thought what was done at the Vic was excellent!

Something like showing your ticket to the merch... get a stamp on it or even better a designed hole on the ticket stating that you've already purchased a poster. Shirt...different stamp or different kind of hole....

Just be creative and make it work... of course would have to change it all the time because people always find loopholes (using friends, etc....)... but would work for most, I think....

I like the pre-order idea 10c has started... hopefully that'll spread to other merchs. That still does not stop people who already pre-ordered from buying more at the merch and flipping them.... sigh.

Ah, it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't.... but I'd rather a chance with 10c through pre-orders so I don't have to go to any merch table at the show and just relax!

Enkidu

I agree - please put a limit on how many t-shirts or posters you can buy. The Lakers shirt at LA2 was gone almost instantly and it was disgusting to see these scumbag-scalper-eBayselling-assholes standing right there in front of everybody bragging about what they were doing.

Cosmo

We're partially to blame for all of this. if there weren't buyers willing to pay 300 bucks for a t-shirt... there wouldn'rt be an incentive for people to buy them up and sell them.
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And who is it that are paying these prices? Are Bank of America executives using bailout money to buy these shirts on EBay? Or are they Columbian Drug Cartel kingpins? I don't know about anyone else... but, i am still in a fucking recession.

Beachman44

Scalping tickets is illegal in some states. This is a form of scalping.
10C takes steps to limit scalping of their limited tickets they sell to members.
10C took steps to limit scalping of posters.
So lets make some steps to stop this form of "scalping" of limited T's or anything limited to one show.

IamMine

Cosmo wrote:

We're partially to blame for all of this. if there weren't buyers willing to pay 300 bucks for a t-shirt... there wouldn'rt be an incentive for people to buy them up and sell them.
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And who is it that are paying these prices? Are Bank of America executives using bailout money to buy these shirts on EBay? Or are they Columbian Drug Cartel kingpins? I don't know about anyone else... but, i am still in a fucking recession.

I agree....

..and I don't know about anyone else....but I'm still in a fucking depression. :P

Even if I had the money, I wouldn't do it... because I'd be encouraging this behavior for others to follow - either on the seller or buyer side.

We could argue about this all day and people will still do it.... :-/

However, we can channel this energy into positivism/activism - encouraging 10c to set up a policy and to enforce it. That's only partial, though... others would have to enforce it as well. :P

It's up to people.....to do the right thing. :P

JOEJOEJOE

I think they need to impose some sort of limit, however, they run the risk of getting stuck with excess shirts/posters if, for some reason, they don't sell out. Trucking around, or shipping, "dead" merch is a hassle.

PJ_ROCKS

Please let the 10c sell the shirts, based on the fact that people got fan club tickets to the show!!!!!!!
Like they did with the posters, one or two per person.

3legged dog

To limit shirts to one or two is stupid!! What if someone is buying a shirt or two for themselves and another ten club member who couldn't make the show? If they did make a limit on shirts/posters it should be like (6). Their should be a limit like this or sell them on this site for 10c members. Anyone buying more than 6 is going to flip, looks like everyone should get to the merch table early. Merch table would lose money if limit was (2).