I really think you hit on something here... I dig this album because of my personal life... (Kid, living together, generally content) and this album just breaths this feeling... Even though it has some very dark sides to it too...
The End for example (my father in law died a few years after a painful battle with cancer; I can't listen to this song without thinking about him; the way he said goodbye to his family) or Speed of Sound (very dark lyrics). I still have to digest it all... But I really, really, love this album...
I really think you hit on something here... I dig this album because of my personal life... (Kid, living together, generally content) and this album just breaths this feeling... Even though it has some very dark sides to it too...
The End for example (my father in law died a few years after a painful battle with cancer; I can't listen to this song without thinking about him; the way he said goodbye to his family) or Speed of Sound (very dark lyrics). I still have to digest it all... But I really, really, love this album...
I really think you hit on something here... I dig this album because of my personal life... (Kid, living together, generally content) and this album just breaths this feeling... Even though it has some very dark sides to it too...
The End for example (my father in law died a few years after a painful battle with cancer; I can't listen to this song without thinking about him; the way he said goodbye to his family) or Speed of Sound (very dark lyrics). I still have to digest it all... But I really, really, love this album...
Thanks and your kid is the cutest
Thanks... And that was 11 weeks ago... He has grown so much, it is amazing...
I really think you hit on something here... I dig this album because of my personal life... (Kid, living together, generally content) and this album just breaths this feeling... Even though it has some very dark sides to it too...
The End for example (my father in law died a few years after a painful battle with cancer; I can't listen to this song without thinking about him; the way he said goodbye to his family) or Speed of Sound (very dark lyrics). I still have to digest it all... But I really, really, love this album...
Thanks and your kid is the cutest
Thanks... And that was 11 weeks ago... He has grown so much, it is amazing...
Goes by before you know it... Keep a journal for him on your thoughts. I wish I started mine earlier.
I am right around the Median age of the band and maybe after years of angst and the Bush Administration and other things to throw stones at, perhaps like me, it's time to reflect on the good things in life like having kids and family. I hear a lot of that in here. Mortality too which is something on my mind as well. They still rock it out but in a more refined way. Kind of like a fine wine.
Curious to see if those that don't like it as much fall into a younger age bracket.
I love this cd, but again, I'm around the same age as the band so the subject matter seems appropriate to me!!
I'm nearly 40 and I honestly don't care for Backspacer right now, anyway. So maybe it's an age thing for many people, but for this chick who's married, with a child, that theory proves untrue. I happen to miss the rockin band that PJ once was. If I wanted to hear the slower, more moving music (and I may at some other time) I'd put in ITW. Backspacer feels like EV, not PJ, overall. It just doesn't. Give me Got Some, and I love Amongst the Waves, but the rest? Right now it's a snore for me. I really wish it wasn't, but I don't find myself wanting to hear this album over and over. Especially The End. I don't know how some people love this song, it's downright depressing.
I'm nearly 40 and I honestly don't care for Backspacer right now, anyway. So maybe it's an age thing for many people, but for this chick who's married, with a child, that theory proves untrue. I happen to miss the rockin band that PJ once was. If I wanted to hear the slower, more moving music (and I may at some other time) I'd put in ITW. Backspacer feels like EV, not PJ, overall. It just doesn't. Give me Got Some, and I love Amongst the Waves, but the rest? Right now it's a snore for me. I really wish it wasn't, but I don't find myself wanting to hear this album over and over. Especially The End. I don't know how some people love this song, it's downright depressing.
I don't get this at all..a snore, and slow? And someone else mentioned that only Got Some and The Fixer will rock live?? Maybe a few of you received a different version or something, because it certainly sounds like Gonna See My Friend rocks pretty f'n hard, not exactly a lullaby..Supersonic pretty much kicks you right in the balls, not something to be found on ITW...Johnny Guitar may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't consider it a slow dance song...Force of Nature is pure rock & roll....and it just simply doesn't get any better than Unthought Known..the way this song builds and then explodes will definitely rock your shit off, similar to Given to Fly....
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
its defiantly an age thing.. I always thought i responded/related to the guys very well, even though they've always been easily twice my age.. but i think with this new album, myself along with alot of other younger fans (im 21) might have hit a road bump in the "relating" area.. Its not bad persay.. Its just like when a friend or older sibling you are close to gets married, has kids... and you feel kind of "left out" or not left out per-say but, left behind.. Or unable to relate as much as you used to... That's probably a horrible example but i hope it at least sort of makes sense.
I'm 24 and can totally relate to this.
i do love this album alot though. it's already in my top 5 pj albums. i love how in 18 years they haven't made the same album over and over. they always challenge themselves everytime they go into the studio.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
its defiantly an age thing.. I always thought i responded/related to the guys very well, even though they've always been easily twice my age.. but i think with this new album, myself along with alot of other younger fans (im 21) might have hit a road bump in the "relating" area.. Its not bad persay.. Its just like when a friend or older sibling you are close to gets married, has kids... and you feel kind of "left out" or not left out per-say but, left behind.. Or unable to relate as much as you used to... That's probably a horrible example but i hope it at least sort of makes sense.
I'm 24 and can totally relate to this.
i do love this album alot though. it's already in my top 5 pj albums. i love how in 18 years they haven't made the same album over and over. they always challenge themselves everytime they go into the studio.
Very well put brian i agree they never give us the same shit rehashed like all the other bands out there today ...
I don't think it's an age thing....
But I don't know what it is. I was so excited for this release, now that I have it, not so much.
I have never had to skip a song on any pearl jam album before, I could even take "footsteps"...difficult, but I could at least listen to it. I've had to skip three songs on this album because they were just not my cup of tea, unbearable, in fact can't listen to them at all. There are a couple of good songs, not great, but good. I love, love, love, PJ, have since '92, I got no code, (has always been one of my favorites in fact) but this one comes up bland, homogenized, and sappy for me. And I agree, this seems more like an EV album rather than PJ.
its defiantly an age thing.. I always thought i responded/related to the guys very well, even though they've always been easily twice my age.. but i think with this new album, myself along with alot of other younger fans (im 21) might have hit a road bump in the "relating" area.. Its not bad persay.. Its just like when a friend or older sibling you are close to gets married, has kids... and you feel kind of "left out" or not left out per-say but, left behind.. Or unable to relate as much as you used to... That's probably a horrible example but i hope it at least sort of makes sense.
I'm 24 and can totally relate to this.
i do love this album alot though. it's already in my top 5 pj albums. i love how in 18 years they haven't made the same album over and over. they always challenge themselves everytime they go into the studio.
Very well put brian i agree they never give us the same shit rehashed like all the other bands out there today ...
thanks jose
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I am right around the Median age of the band and maybe after years of angst and the Bush Administration and other things to throw stones at, perhaps like me, it's time to reflect on the good things in life like having kids and family. I hear a lot of that in here. Mortality too which is something on my mind as well. They still rock it out but in a more refined way. Kind of like a fine wine.
Curious to see if those that don't like it as much fall into a younger age bracket.
Well, I'm only 21, and I love the lyrics on the album...well, I just love the whole album, lyrics and music.
I totally agree with the age thing. I was 20 when Ten was released and just like the band full of angst and pent up aggression. As we, or most of, have grown up so have they. They could not have made Backspacer 20 years ago.
I am fairly new to this forum, always felt I was to old to be trolling around a forum but the more I am on here i realize that a lot of people are my age or beyond. I have seen this band live no less than twenty times from coast to coast, own every piece of music they have released including boots and then some. With that said I think although I am new to the forum I have invested enough time into this band over the last 20 years to voice an opinion.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion about the music but do we really want all the albums to sound like Ten? What fun would that be? There are plenty of bands that make multiple records that sound the same. I wont mention any by name, I don't want to offend anybody. One of the things that I love most about this band is that every album is so much different than the last. I don't see how it's even possible to compare one to the next. Sure you may like one better than the other but there are no comparisons. Mike, Matt, Stone, Jeff and Eddie melt your face in different ways on almost every song on every in some way. No two riffs from song to song or album to album are the same. If you take Eddie's vocals out of most songs and just here the music you'd be hard pressed to name the band. That can't be said for most bands, even the big names. I love U2, Greenday and the Foo's to name a few, but they are predictable.
Idont know about this age thing. some of you say you can relate cuz you're "older" and some say you cant cuz you're "younger".... i think this album has something for EVERYONE and in order to see that, you gotta listen to it and not JUDGE it or look for mistakes or whatever. And by the way......i heard on a radio station (101.9 in ny)that Ed DID say in a recent interview that they are trying to reach a younger crowd rather than the "old" now. Maybe its because all of you with great numbers that get in front row just stand there OR because he is tired of seeing the same people show after show after show!!!
i think? i am older than you.....and while it's growing on me, i am not feeling this overwhelming LOVE that many of you are. so again, i really don't think the age correlation is *it*....there's more to it than that.
it's a very different album, which is cool....but for me anyway, in some ways, it's also an homage to a lot of music. i hear a lot of influences, a lot seems 'familiar' to me.....and that can be both good and bad. i hear some amazing things, and some....not so much, for me. so thus far, it's a mixed bag. i am curious to see the 'shelf-life' of this album for me, b/c there are a couple songs that are just gorgeous, a couple i find fun, but a few more that are just not connecting for me. i haven't listened to s/t in ages and ages.....so i wonder where this one will end up.
i think? i am older than you.....and while it's growing on me, i am not feeling this overwhelming LOVE that many of you are. so again, i really don't think the age correlation is *it*....there's more to it than that.
I think where the old fart does have somewhat of a point is this: For the most part, in general, I think most people's opposition to this record is that it isn't as angst-ridden as previous releases. It certainly isn't nearly as angst ridden as the early albums that got most of us into this band.
And angst is such a teenager/20-something emotion. I think most of us ease into middle age, we get more comfortable in our own skin. We get married, we have kids, we start to settle into life. And we get content. I hear a strong sense of contentment on this record, and it matches where I am in life right now.
If I were 18 years old, and this were my first exposure to the band, I would probably hate it. Because I wouldn't get it.
I don't mean this to say old people can't hate it, too. I don't mean to say young people can't enjoy it, too. I just think IN GENERAL, age does have something to do with how one perceives and accepts these new songs.
I think, generally speaking, you need to have a certain amount of years under your belt to truly appreciate Backspacer.
I mean, the guy who I was once convinced was predicting his own suicide on Vitalogy is now talking out putting away his early grave. That's quite a sea change.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
well im 24 dont really consider myself as an old fart n i think its an amazing album, i cant actually stop listening to it. ive never took to an album as quick as ive taken to this one. much love for backspacer!
i think? i am older than you.....and while it's growing on me, i am not feeling this overwhelming LOVE that many of you are. so again, i really don't think the age correlation is *it*....there's more to it than that.
I think where the old fart does have somewhat of a point is this: For the most part, in general, I think most people's opposition to this record is that it isn't as angst-ridden as previous releases. It certainly isn't nearly as angst ridden as the early albums that got most of us into this band.
And angst is such a teenager/20-something emotion. I think most of us ease into middle age, we get more comfortable in our own skin. We get married, we have kids, we start to settle into life. And we get content. I hear a strong sense of contentment on this record, and it matches where I am in life right now.
If I were 18 years old, and this were my first exposure to the band, I would probably hate it. Because I wouldn't get it.
I don't mean this to say old people can't hate it, too. I don't mean to say young people can't enjoy it, too. I just think IN GENERAL, age does have something to do with how one perceives and accepts these new songs.
I think, generally speaking, you need to have a certain amount of years under your belt to truly appreciate Backspacer.
I mean, the guy who I was once convinced was predicting his own suicide on Vitalogy is now talking out putting away his early grave. That's quite a sea change.
see, i addressed this earlier in this thread.....i think of that more as relating to mindset than age. and that mindset may or may not correlate with age. aso the contentment, i too definitely hear a lot of that on this album, and in some songs it is absolutely luminous and sparkling, others it is fun.....and yet, i still personally don't love how it is delivered in parts. i don't hate the album, but i don't love it either....and it seems there are many with extrme reactions in one direction or the other, and i am not one of em. it definitely is getting better with me each listen, b/c at first just breathe was the only tune to grab me from the get-go....but i still have my issues with a few that interferes with me being able to say i "love" it, as a whole.
however, sure...absolute agreement that the perspective change for ed is vast and obvious, and i actually love that (even while still loving his angst/anger from the past too)....it's simply....delivery. and thus why i personally just don't correlate loving/hating, or whatever...for this album...with age alone.
see, i addressed this earlier in this thread.....i think of that more as relating to mindset than age. and that mindset may or may not correlate with age. aso the contentment, i too definitely hear a lot of that on this album,
I agree...not sure that it's an age thing, but maybe more of a stage of life thing and contentment. I LOVE this album...love the lyrics...just cannot get enough of it. I don't think it would have struck the same chord with me 10 years ago.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
see, i addressed this earlier in this thread.....i think of that more as relating to mindset than age. and that mindset may or may not correlate with age. aso the contentment, i too definitely hear a lot of that on this album,
I agree...not sure that it's an age thing, but maybe more of a stage of life thing and contentment. I LOVE this album...love the lyrics...just cannot get enough of it. I don't think it would have struck the same chord with me 10 years ago.
thing is, i am very content.....and yet, i am just not loving this album as a WHOLE. i love SOME songs, SOME lyrics.....SOME i see such love/contentment....others fun....and sure, i hear/see some fun in others, but it's fun i just don't get. i think perhaps 10 years ago i might've liked it more actually, mostly for the music......i am far tougher on lyrics, and on this band, than with other bands, and at other times in life....but hey, whateva.....i;m the old fart who apparently jis in the minority. that's ok too. just breathe, in and of itself.....makes it ALL worthwhile. the fact that there are a few others i really like, it's all good.
see, i addressed this earlier in this thread.....i think of that more as relating to mindset than age. and that mindset may or may not correlate with age. aso the contentment, i too definitely hear a lot of that on this album,
I agree...not sure that it's an age thing, but maybe more of a stage of life thing and contentment. I LOVE this album...love the lyrics...just cannot get enough of it. I don't think it would have struck the same chord with me 10 years ago.
thing is, i am very content.....and yet, i am just not loving this album as a WHOLE. i love SOME songs, SOME lyrics.....SOME i see such love/contentment....others fun....and sure, i hear/see some fun in others, but it's fun i just don't get. i think perhaps 10 years ago i might've liked it more actually, mostly for the music......i am far tougher on lyrics, and on this band, than with other bands, and at other times in life....but hey, whateva.....i;m the old fart who apparently jis in the minority. that's ok too. just breathe, in and of itself.....makes it ALL worthwhile. the fact that there are a few others i really like, it's all good.
LOVE Just Breathe. Unthought Known, Force of Nature, Amongst the Waves and Got Some are my other favorites.
Music is such an individual thing. So is contentment...stage of life, etc. Zoso loves the album too...but I don't think it would have struck the same chord for me at 25 that it has for him or that it does for me now. I say just take what you love and enjoy!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
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I really think you hit on something here... I dig this album because of my personal life... (Kid, living together, generally content) and this album just breaths this feeling... Even though it has some very dark sides to it too...
The End for example (my father in law died a few years after a painful battle with cancer; I can't listen to this song without thinking about him; the way he said goodbye to his family) or Speed of Sound (very dark lyrics). I still have to digest it all... But I really, really, love this album...
Thanks... And that was 11 weeks ago... He has grown so much, it is amazing...
I love this cd, but again, I'm around the same age as the band so the subject matter seems appropriate to me!!
How old is your kid... And Jesus that is some creepy picture you have there :shock: . Is that a hand in the crocs mouth???
I've got 3. 9 (boy), 6 (boy) and 4 (girl). They are making me premature gray, but I love every second of it
You see I will never have that problem. I'm getting bold
I don't get this at all..a snore, and slow? And someone else mentioned that only Got Some and The Fixer will rock live?? Maybe a few of you received a different version or something, because it certainly sounds like Gonna See My Friend rocks pretty f'n hard, not exactly a lullaby..Supersonic pretty much kicks you right in the balls, not something to be found on ITW...Johnny Guitar may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't consider it a slow dance song...Force of Nature is pure rock & roll....and it just simply doesn't get any better than Unthought Known..the way this song builds and then explodes will definitely rock your shit off, similar to Given to Fly....
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
i do love this album alot though. it's already in my top 5 pj albums. i love how in 18 years they haven't made the same album over and over. they always challenge themselves everytime they go into the studio.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Speed of Sound might be my favorite
Very well put brian i agree they never give us the same shit rehashed like all the other bands out there today ...
But I don't know what it is. I was so excited for this release, now that I have it, not so much.
I have never had to skip a song on any pearl jam album before, I could even take "footsteps"...difficult, but I could at least listen to it. I've had to skip three songs on this album because they were just not my cup of tea, unbearable, in fact can't listen to them at all. There are a couple of good songs, not great, but good. I love, love, love, PJ, have since '92, I got no code, (has always been one of my favorites in fact) but this one comes up bland, homogenized, and sappy for me. And I agree, this seems more like an EV album rather than PJ.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Well, I'm only 21, and I love the lyrics on the album...well, I just love the whole album, lyrics and music.
I am fairly new to this forum, always felt I was to old to be trolling around a forum but the more I am on here i realize that a lot of people are my age or beyond. I have seen this band live no less than twenty times from coast to coast, own every piece of music they have released including boots and then some. With that said I think although I am new to the forum I have invested enough time into this band over the last 20 years to voice an opinion.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion about the music but do we really want all the albums to sound like Ten? What fun would that be? There are plenty of bands that make multiple records that sound the same. I wont mention any by name, I don't want to offend anybody. One of the things that I love most about this band is that every album is so much different than the last. I don't see how it's even possible to compare one to the next. Sure you may like one better than the other but there are no comparisons. Mike, Matt, Stone, Jeff and Eddie melt your face in different ways on almost every song on every in some way. No two riffs from song to song or album to album are the same. If you take Eddie's vocals out of most songs and just here the music you'd be hard pressed to name the band. That can't be said for most bands, even the big names. I love U2, Greenday and the Foo's to name a few, but they are predictable.
Enough said so feel free to ban the newbie
Please tell me you are kidding my friend. I figured this would be right up youR alley.
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MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
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HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
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i think? i am older than you.....and while it's growing on me, i am not feeling this overwhelming LOVE that many of you are. so again, i really don't think the age correlation is *it*....there's more to it than that.
it's a very different album, which is cool....but for me anyway, in some ways, it's also an homage to a lot of music. i hear a lot of influences, a lot seems 'familiar' to me.....and that can be both good and bad. i hear some amazing things, and some....not so much, for me. so thus far, it's a mixed bag. i am curious to see the 'shelf-life' of this album for me, b/c there are a couple songs that are just gorgeous, a couple i find fun, but a few more that are just not connecting for me. i haven't listened to s/t in ages and ages.....so i wonder where this one will end up.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
10/30/09.10/31/09.5/17/10.9/7/11
EV:boston 1+2.albnay 1.boston 2010
I think where the old fart does have somewhat of a point is this: For the most part, in general, I think most people's opposition to this record is that it isn't as angst-ridden as previous releases. It certainly isn't nearly as angst ridden as the early albums that got most of us into this band.
And angst is such a teenager/20-something emotion. I think most of us ease into middle age, we get more comfortable in our own skin. We get married, we have kids, we start to settle into life. And we get content. I hear a strong sense of contentment on this record, and it matches where I am in life right now.
If I were 18 years old, and this were my first exposure to the band, I would probably hate it. Because I wouldn't get it.
I don't mean this to say old people can't hate it, too. I don't mean to say young people can't enjoy it, too. I just think IN GENERAL, age does have something to do with how one perceives and accepts these new songs.
I think, generally speaking, you need to have a certain amount of years under your belt to truly appreciate Backspacer.
I mean, the guy who I was once convinced was predicting his own suicide on Vitalogy is now talking out putting away his early grave. That's quite a sea change.
for the least they could possibly do
well im 24 dont really consider myself as an old fart n i think its an amazing album, i cant actually stop listening to it. ive never took to an album as quick as ive taken to this one. much love for backspacer!
see, i addressed this earlier in this thread.....i think of that more as relating to mindset than age. and that mindset may or may not correlate with age.
however, sure...absolute agreement that the perspective change for ed is vast and obvious, and i actually love that (even while still loving his angst/anger from the past too)....it's simply....delivery. and thus why i personally just don't correlate loving/hating, or whatever...for this album...with age alone.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
thing is, i am very content.....and yet, i am just not loving this album as a WHOLE. i love SOME songs, SOME lyrics.....SOME i see such love/contentment....others fun....and sure, i hear/see some fun in others, but it's fun i just don't get.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Music is such an individual thing. So is contentment...stage of life, etc. Zoso loves the album too...but I don't think it would have struck the same chord for me at 25 that it has for him or that it does for me now. I say just take what you love and enjoy!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Like I said, the age/contentment thing is just a generalization. Doesn't neccesarily apply to everyone. It could just be that you are a weird old fart
for the least they could possibly do