Maybe it's an age thing
Black Diamond
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I am right around the Median age of the band and maybe after years of angst and the Bush Administration and other things to throw stones at, perhaps like me, it's time to reflect on the good things in life like having kids and family. I hear a lot of that in here. Mortality too which is something on my mind as well. They still rock it out but in a more refined way. Kind of like a fine wine.
Curious to see if those that don't like it as much fall into a younger age bracket.
Curious to see if those that don't like it as much fall into a younger age bracket.
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Yeah, agreed on that. But I found it to be really morbid as well...and dark. Hard for me to get through dealing with the death of my grandpa.
Maybe it is that I'm in a different place than the band. I'm still ready to rock, whilst you old geezers are slowing down...and talking about death relentlessly.
The same way they spoke to me when I was young, disaffected, angry, depressed, unsure of my place in the world and Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy spoke to me in my late teens, early 20s.
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totally agree...being close to ed's age, it seems with each album his lyrics seems speak to me and this album more than others
and i've thought the same thing...i'd be interested to see the ages of the people that aren't getting the album...
I'm 37 and I have to be honest grown a little tired of the angry sound of the band, I liked S/T allot but Backspacer for me at least is much better, it flows better, it's the most consistent since Yield, I just love it and it speaks to me like yourself, soon to become a Father hopefully, what Eddie is writing about here, really strikes a chord with me.
I still think Vs (one of PJ's angriest albums), Vitalogy (probably still their darkest) & Yield ( a mixture of both with some optimism thrown in) are better albums but we have those album to listen to when we want that kind of vibe from the band. To me Backspacer has come at the right time in my life and although some don't feel tracks like Just Breathe, Amongst The Waves & Unthought Known, I just love the hell outta of them.
So yes it might very well be an age factor, though I'm sure there will be exceptions to that rule.
:P
hey you want me to be dirty, i'll head over to the shaved thread
well you know my age and i am right up there with ya
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
"bit light and cheery"? WTF?! LOL!! It's downright morbid.
I've listened to Backspacer twice now and I'm really enjoying it.
I'm 29 (30 in November) and don't consider myself "older". Maybe I am. :?
what's funny is i think the exact opposite...ed's lyrics are superb and i love the phrasing...the lyrics to amongst the waves, unthough known, speed of nature really speak to me...i'm enjoying happy ed
the album is down and dirty...no bullshit just straight rock and roll...it was their objective and i think they succeeded...and i'm glad they did...i love all the albums because each one is an individual piece of art...yes the band has a sound but with each album they take it a different direction...this direction is simple and unfettered from grandiose ideas (musically and lyrically)...it's like a breath of fresh air :oops:
and if someone doesn't like just breathe they have no soul
(raises hand) I have no soul. I couldn't even make it through JB. Make me think of my Gpa who recently died and made me cry.
Personally I didn't think this album was "no bullshit just straight rock and roll". Quite the opposite. I found it to be really tame almost boppy....with hints of death ballads.
i love just breathe...i like unthought known, amongst the waves......it's more like the fixer, johnny guitar, etc....not as much. i love straight up rock and roll, i love 80s music, and i love the deeper, more complex stuff too...i just find on some songs, great lyrics...others.....not so much. what can i say, i hold pj and ed to a higher standard. also, as i said, while i can enjoy some ramones, not really a fan....and in songs like johnny guitar and such, i just hear too much. so i find some lyrics, superb....a lot of the music is great....but as a sum total, i am not feeling it as much. it may change, and it may not.
btw - i don't find it 'down and dirty' at all.....there is too much polish in the background to be down and dirty. i might like some of the songs better if they were straight down and dirty....;) there definitely is that new wave/80s/synth pop vibe mixed in there and that ain't down and dirty...just my 2 cents.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
It might have it's dark moments but are trying to tell me this as dark as Vitalogy, yes Ed's reflecting on some heavy stuff but I'm getting allot of optimism from this album , maybe your not but tracks like Amongst & Unthought really are uplifting. I just think some people will think it too cheery for their tastes.
It's only when you analyse the lyrics that you get that dark vibe but the delivery at times is far more upbeat than they've been for ages and I have been into this band since 1992, I know my Pearl Jam thank you.
Amentschick...I think i'm just trying to get used to the fact that I am getting older
Well Happy early Birthday for you!
Yes, I understand that every life must end, uh-huh
As we sit alone, I know someday we must go, uh-huh
Oh I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the ones I love
Some folks just have one, yeah, others, they've got none
Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
Practiced all my sins, never gonna let me win, uh-huh
Under everything, just another human being, uh-huh
I don't wanna hurt, there's so much in this world to make me believe
Stay with me
You're all I see...
Did I say that I need you?
Did I say that I want you?
Oh, if I didn't I'm a fool you see
No one knows this more than me
As I come clean...
I wonder everyday, as I look upon your face, uh-huh
Everything you gave
And nothing you would save, oh no
Nothing you would take
Everything you gave...
Did I say that I need you?
Oh, did I say that I want you?
Oh, if I didn't I'm a fool you see
No one knows this more than me
And I come clean, ah...
Nothing you would take
Everything you gave
Hold me til I die
Meet you on the other side...
and no, i am not wanting pj to be all ed, sound just like ed, like itw, not at all......honestly, it took me a long time to warm up to itw. i LOVEd it in the film, but listening to the album, it was just too short! hahaha. it took many, many listens before i fell in love with it. and yes, i do love it now....and i do love pj's love/introspective songs.....but i like their hard-edged songs just as much, maybe more.....and what can i say? this is just a far different pj delivery for me on this new album, and some of the lyrics just don't speak to me....but hey, it's pj....and i will keep listening and hoping....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I think 30 is just harder for chicks to accept. Thanks for the early bday wishes, although I prefer not to think about it.
I feel the same way you do me at 31 though, married, 3 kids ... you are 37?!? :shock: DAYUM! you gettin' old man!
i love that line.....and i don't have kids.
so if i were only going by that...i could only count one(husband) as my love? nah...i take it bigger than that....family and friends, b/c even ed's immediate family, can only be counted on one hand. i just get the feeling that ed is feeling FULL of love, and sure...that can do with so much, tho sure, age/family circumstance definitely is propbably more than a small part of that...:D just sayin'. tho i do understand your sentiment, and ed's.....ed most definitely is more hopeful, happy...and clearly, in love.....with his SO, his daughters...life.....and i do truly enjoy that. doesn't change what i think of some tunes on backspacer tho.
btw - i LOVEd turning 30, so it ain't all chicks......and 40 wasn't too shabby either...;)
tho i admit, i may just be a wee bit different. haha.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.
Really sorry to hear that.. the most unfair thing one has to deal with in life .. I still can't listen to "come back" without tearing up..
i'm sorry to read that, truly. :(
it always hurts, but the first time someone close goes....definitely the hardest.
btw - i was merely commenting on the age thing of the discussion and how i can see it to some degree, and yet on the other, not. i really think it is mindset more than anything....b/c even amongst many of the 'older' fans, i know there are many single, childless, etc.....so there is more to it imo.
be well ac.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Damnit. I'm crying. Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to go workout...relieve some stress. Going to listen to something rockin...unlike Backspacer. :P
i'm sorry.....yikes......i'm so good at that, hahahaha. and your last comment made me laugh!
champ, you are becoming a total sap!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
That's because he's old and married.
exactly, thus why i say it's not an age thing...but a mindset.
absolutely, and again why i think it's a mindset thing. i married at 23....i know people right here on this board, married in their 20s, some having kids in their 20s, etc.....and sure, being sappy, finding your love, having a family if that's your thing.....all definitely mindset. i mean really, let's be honest, outside of matt, ed and the boys actually went for fatherhood a little older, all over 40 or around there. sure, most people go for parenthood later nowadays, but usually early to mid-30s. so really, i think where ed and company are at is more in line with a mindset/outlook than necessarily age, tho sure...i think perhaps you appreciate more of it (generally speaking) as you get older?
and the young, they can't see beyond today
the old, the wisdom they can't give away
the young men they pretend
the old men comprehend
or sumthin' like that
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow