Maybe it's an age thing

Mrs.Vedder78

Flagg wrote:

I was having that same thought. A lot of these new songs speak to me and fit me because I find myself in similar circumstances. Grown up, job, married, kids, getting a little older (37), more responibility, and generally happy with life.

The same way they spoke to me when I was young, disaffected, angry, depressed, unsure of my place in the world and Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy spoke to me in my late teens, early 20s.

I feel the same way you do me at 31 though, married, 3 kids ... you are 37?!? :shock: DAYUM! you gettin' old man! :P

decides2dream

AmentsChick wrote:

Not once in listening did I feel "uplifted" (Avocado I would describe that way, though!). Do I consider it an angry album? Absolutely not. Doesn't have the animosity and ferocity that early albums did. Which I totally understand...they ARE less angry (especially Ed). And I think BlackDiamond hit the nail on the head. Their music has grown with them. I'm just not in the same place (as I said before). I'm single, no kids, not married...can't "count on both hands the ones I love". It's definitely an age thing, at least for me.

i love that line.....and i don't have kids.
so if i were only going by that...i could only count one(husband) as my love? nah...i take it bigger than that....family and friends, b/c even ed's immediate family, can only be counted on one hand. i just get the feeling that ed is feeling FULL of love, and sure...that can do with so much, tho sure, age/family circumstance definitely is propbably more than a small part of that...:D just sayin'. tho i do understand your sentiment, and ed's.....ed most definitely is more hopeful, happy...and clearly, in love.....with his SO, his daughters...life.....and i do truly enjoy that. doesn't change what i think of some tunes on backspacer tho. :twisted:




btw - i LOVEd turning 30, so it ain't all chicks......and 40 wasn't too shabby either...;)
tho i admit, i may just be a wee bit different. haha.

AmentsChick

For the record, I should clarify...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.

Fahka

AmentsChick wrote:

For the record, I should clarify...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.

Really sorry to hear that.. the most unfair thing one has to deal with in life .. I still can't listen to "come back" without tearing up..

decides2dream

AmentsChick wrote:

For the record, I should clarify...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.

i'm sorry to read that, truly. :(
it always hurts, but the first time someone close goes....definitely the hardest.

btw - i was merely commenting on the age thing of the discussion and how i can see it to some degree, and yet on the other, not. i really think it is mindset more than anything....b/c even amongst many of the 'older' fans, i know there are many single, childless, etc.....so there is more to it imo.



be well ac.

The Champ

I'm 29, and absolutely loved this album from the first listen on Saturday night. I haven't felt this giddy about a record since Yield..for me, there are no fillers here that need to be skipped..unlike Avocado and Riot Act, which obviously have many great tracks, but are also littered with unfortunate clunkers..

AmentsChick

decides2dream wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

For the record, I should clarify...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.

i'm sorry to read that, truly. :(
it always hurts, but the first time someone close goes....definitely the hardest.

btw - i was merely commenting on the age thing of the discussion and how i can see it to some degree, and yet on the other, not. i really think it is mindset more than anything....b/c even amongst many of the 'older' fans, i know there are many single, childless, etc.....so there is more to it imo.



be well ac.

Damnit. I'm crying. Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to go workout...relieve some stress. Going to listen to something rockin...unlike Backspacer. :P

decides2dream

AmentsChick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

For the record, I should clarify...

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the lyrics for Just Breathe...it just hit too close to home for me with watching a family member die recently. It was the first time someone close to me died.

i'm sorry to read that, truly. :(
it always hurts, but the first time someone close goes....definitely the hardest.

btw - i was merely commenting on the age thing of the discussion and how i can see it to some degree, and yet on the other, not. i really think it is mindset more than anything....b/c even amongst many of the 'older' fans, i know there are many single, childless, etc.....so there is more to it imo.



be well ac.

Damnit. I'm crying. Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to go workout...relieve some stress. Going to listen to something rockin...unlike Backspacer. :P

i'm sorry.....yikes......i'm so good at that, hahahaha. and your last comment made me laugh!



champ, you are becoming a total sap!

AmentsChick

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

That's because he's old and married.

decides2dream

AmentsChick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

That's because he's old and married.

exactly, thus why i say it's not an age thing...but a mindset. "old" at 29.

LeatherMandi wrote:

its defiantly an age thing.. I always thought i responded/related to the guys very well, even though they've always been easily twice my age.. but i think with this new album, myself along with alot of other younger fans (im 21) might have hit a road bump in the "relating" area.. Its not bad persay.. Its just like when a friend or older sibling you are close to gets married, has kids... and you feel kind of "left out" or not left out per-say but, left behind.. Or unable to relate as much as you used to... That's probably a horrible example but i hope it at least sort of makes sense.

absolutely, and again why i think it's a mindset thing. i married at 23....i know people right here on this board, married in their 20s, some having kids in their 20s, etc.....and sure, being sappy, finding your love, having a family if that's your thing.....all definitely mindset. i mean really, let's be honest, outside of matt, ed and the boys actually went for fatherhood a little older, all over 40 or around there. sure, most people go for parenthood later nowadays, but usually early to mid-30s. so really, i think where ed and company are at is more in line with a mindset/outlook than necessarily age, tho sure...i think perhaps you appreciate more of it (generally speaking) as you get older?


and the young, they can't see beyond today
the old, the wisdom they can't give away



the young men they pretend
the old men comprehend


or sumthin' like that

The Champ

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

Why is that? All I said was that I loved this record from the start, and much prefer it to Avocado and Riot Act due to less clutter to skip....I'm loving all the different directions it pulls me..from punk to rock etc..it's a great feeling, especially since I wasn't expecting much..

The Champ

AmentsChick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

That's because he's old and married.

I am very immature, thank you very much...and yes, sorry for your loss..

Fahka

decides2dream wrote:

AmentsChick wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

That's because he's old and married.

exactly, thus why i say it's not an age thing...but a mindset. "old" at 29.

LeatherMandi wrote:

its defiantly an age thing.. I always thought i responded/related to the guys very well, even though they've always been easily twice my age.. but i think with this new album, myself along with alot of other younger fans (im 21) might have hit a road bump in the "relating" area.. Its not bad persay.. Its just like when a friend or older sibling you are close to gets married, has kids... and you feel kind of "left out" or not left out per-say but, left behind.. Or unable to relate as much as you used to... That's probably a horrible example but i hope it at least sort of makes sense.

absolutely, and again why i think it's a mindset thing. i married at 23....i know people right here on this board, married in their 20s, some having kids in their 20s, etc.....and sure, being sappy, finding your love, having a family if that's your thing.....all definitely mindset. i mean really, let's be honest, outside of matt, ed and the boys actually went for fatherhood a little older, all over 40 or around there. sure, most people go for parenthood later nowadays, but usually early to mid-30s. so really, i think where ed and company are at is more in line with a mindset/outlook than necessarily age, tho sure...i think perhaps you appreciate more of it (generally speaking) as you get older?


and the young, they can't see beyond today
the old, the wisdom they can't give away



the young men they pretend
the old men comprehend


or sumthin' like that

I don't really plan on doing the kid thing but yeah, i think you are right. I'll appreciate Backspacer more in like 9 years Maybe mind set is a much better word because i know people who had two kids before they could even drink legally :shock: So im sure its an age/mind set / space in time thing..

decides2dream

The Champ wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

Why is that? All I said was that I loved this record from the start, and much prefer it to Avocado and Riot Act due to less clutter to skip....I'm loving all the different directions it pulls me..from punk to rock etc..it's a great feeling, especially since I wasn't expecting much..

it's not just about this album, just you in general.....puh-leese. besides, 'feel giddy'....? yea, real champ-like. face it, you put the pussy on a pedestal and now you are a sap. and sure, happily married and loved.


and good, already working on those lower expectations will take you far in life!


leathermandi....i hear yea. mindset. i'm not 'doing the kid thing' either, but yes....i am happily in love. and sure, i am older. hahahaha.

The Champ

decides2dream wrote:

absolutely, and again why i think it's a mindset thing. i married at 23....i know people right here on this board, married in their 20s, some having kids in their 20s, etc.....and sure, being sappy, finding your love, having a family if that's your thing.....all definitely mindset. i mean really, let's be honest, outside of matt, ed and the boys actually went for fatherhood a little older, all over 40 or around there. sure, most people go for parenthood later nowadays, but usually early to mid-30s. so really, i think where ed and company are at is more in line with a mindset/outlook than necessarily age, tho sure...i think perhaps you appreciate more of it (generally speaking) as you get older?

I honestly don't feel ready to be a parent....I want to be able to fly off to Vegas, go to concerts, attend Met games whenever etc..and the wife feels the same..though we both want kids, just not yet ..

Flagg

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

Flagg wrote:

I was having that same thought. A lot of these new songs speak to me and fit me because I find myself in similar circumstances. Grown up, job, married, kids, getting a little older (37), more responibility, and generally happy with life.

The same way they spoke to me when I was young, disaffected, angry, depressed, unsure of my place in the world and Ten, Vs, and Vitalogy spoke to me in my late teens, early 20s.

I feel the same way you do me at 31 though, married, 3 kids ... you are 37?!? :shock: DAYUM! you gettin' old man! :P

Hey!

Now I am depressed.

Fortunately I can listen to Unthought Known and cheer myself right back up again!!

The Champ

decides2dream wrote:

The Champ wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

champ, you are becoming a total sap!

Why is that? All I said was that I loved this record from the start, and much prefer it to Avocado and Riot Act due to less clutter to skip....I'm loving all the different directions it pulls me..from punk to rock etc..it's a great feeling, especially since I wasn't expecting much..

it's not just about this album, just you in general.....puh-leese. besides, 'feel giddy'....? yea, real champ-like. face it, you put the pussy on a pedestal and now you are a sap. and sure, happily married and loved.


and good, already working on those lower expectations will take you far in life!

I felt like such a pussy typing the word 'giddy,' but yeah, the record made me feel like a kid again on Saturday night..had those butterflies floating around, which doesn't happen often these days....and low expectations because I wasn't feeling The Fixer..the rest of the album is on point....and sure, I can't be a prick all of the time.. ..

decides2dream

The Champ wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

it's not just about this album, just you in general.....puh-leese. besides, 'feel giddy'....? yea, real champ-like. face it, you put the pussy on a pedestal and now you are a sap. and sure, happily married and loved.


and good, already working on those lower expectations will take you far in life!

I felt like such a pussy typing the word 'giddy,' but yeah, the record made me feel like a kid again on Saturday night..had those butterflies floating around, which doesn't happen often these days....and low expectations because I wasn't feeling The Fixer..the rest of the album is on point....and sure, I can't be a prick all of the time.. ..

exactly.
ya sap.



and it's ok, we love you anyway......
i didn't hear anything outside of got some on conan before getting my CD....and yea, i am still not feelin' the fixer, amongst a few other tunes. c'est la vie. maybe i will, maybe i won't. either way, will not diminish my love of pj, nor ruin my world...so all is a-ok. but i do love, love, love just breathe.........

mattcoz

AmentsChick wrote:

Black Diamond wrote:

I am right around the Median age of the band and maybe after years of angst and the Bush Administration and other things to throw stones at, perhaps like me, it's time to reflect on the good things in life like having kids and family. I hear a lot of that in here. Mortality too which is something on my mind as well. They still rock it out but in a more refined way. Kind of like a fine wine.

Curious to see if those that don't like it as much fall into a younger age bracket.

Yeah, agreed on that. But I found it to be really morbid as well...and dark. Hard for me to get through dealing with the death of my grandpa.

There's certainly some of that. Obviously The End, and Just Breathe is beautiful, sentimental, yet a little morbid as well.

But then there's songs like The Fixer, Amongst The Waves, Unthought Known, and Supersonic, songs that leave you with a big smile on your face.

I think The End just leaves you in such a dark place, I always want to start the album over again to make me feel better... but that just ends up leaving me in the same place, doomed to repeat the album for eternity. Oh well, there are worse fates.

The Champ

decides2dream wrote:

exactly.
ya sap.



and it's ok, we love you anyway......
i didn't hear anything outside of got some on conan before getting my CD....and yea, i am still not feelin' the fixer, amongst a few other tunes. c'est la vie. maybe i will, maybe i won't. either way, will not diminish my love of pj, nor ruin my world...so all is a-ok. but i do love, love, love just breathe.........

So doesn't the record version of Got Some knock you on your ass? It's absolutely perfect....And don't you have that feeling with Unthought Known of being lifted up from the ground, soaring above everything..I don't know how else to describe it..in a Given to Fly kind of way that only Pearl jam can do...