The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

You see, no evidence. Just more baiting gibberish.

from your holy grail....

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras---including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike---could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon (37-38).


do you believe a plane hit the pentagon?

you seem to be very concerned about the 115 things listed in the report. you keep saying over and over and over and over again. that must mean you believe them right?

I have no further questions your honor.


it goes on and on..

16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for several reasons (33-34).

17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several hundred miles per hour (34).

18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing's façade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered (34).

19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon (34-36).

20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial airliner---even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be thus defended (36).

21. The omission of the fact that pictures from various security cameras---including the camera at the gas station across from the Pentagon, the film from which was reportedly confiscated by the FBI immediately after the strike---could presumably answer the question of what really hit the Pentagon (37-38).

22. The omission of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's reference to "the missile [used] to damage [the Pentagon]" (39).


DO YOU BELIEVE A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON?

I rest my case

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

You see, no evidence. Just more baiting gibberish.

form your holy grail...

9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition (26-27).


since you continually say all 115 items are accurate....

were bombs planted in WTC?


I have no further questions your honor.

Byrnzie

The Desperation of this troll truly knows no bounds.

jlew24asu

you asked for evidence..

Byrnzie wrote:

What would be even funnier is if this baiting troll could provide any evidence to support this accusation.

I provided it.

Byrnzie wrote:

The Desperation of this troll truly knows no bounds.

not shocking you have nothing to say. do you enjoy being embarrassed like this?

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Unfortunately that fails to address even one of the 115 lies mentioned above.

Byrnzie wrote:

Your links address the mechanics of the twin towers coming down, but you've failed to address the other 100 points mentioned.

Byrnzie wrote:

Sure, you can keep whistling this tune all day long. But It does nothing to address any of the 115 points raised in the original post.

Byrnzie wrote:

Great. Please address all of the 115 lies and omissions contained in the 9/11 commission report and enlighten us to the facts then.

Byrnzie wrote:

Anyway, is that what we're discussing here? I thought we were discussing the 115 lies and omissions contained in the 9/11 commission report?

how about YOU address some of these points.

Do you believe a plane hit the Pentagon?

if not, we can then cover the 15 or so points in your list that try to say something other the a plane hit the building. if you do however believe a plane hit the pentagon, then lets start by saying, alot of your list is utterly nonsense.

ready when you are....

Byrnzie

Do I believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? The answer to that question is that I don't know. I also don't have answers to the other 114 questions listed. And neither does the U.S government as things stand. They've chosen to side-step them instead of addressing them. Hence the problem people have in believing the official story.

Good night!

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

So now I'm accused of being "...someone who believes that bombs were planted in WTC and a missile hit the pentagon.'"

Hilarious!

What would be even funnier is if this baiting troll could provide any evidence to support this accusation.

wasn't such a hilarious accusation now was it? :roll: you are something else dude.

Byrnzie wrote:

Do I believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? The answer to that question is that I don't know. I also don't have answers to the other 114 questions listed. And neither does the U.S government as things stand. They've chosen to side-step them instead of addressing them. Hence the problem people have in believing the official story.

Good night!

for the record. the answer is YES. a plane hit the pentagon.

next question. do you believe bombs were planted in WTC?

Pepe Silvia

slightofjeff wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Maybe nobody asked them to. Or maybe nobody had presented any evidence that Bin Laden was responsible? - Something that never happened, even to this day.

Maybe nobody asked them to? I swear to God, if I were looking down the barrel of a loaded gun, and the world was saying, "Give up bin Laden, or die" ... nobody would have to ASK me to volunteer the fact that I'd already tried to hand him over. It would sort of be the first fucking words out my mouth.

Nobody asked them to? Are you serious?

You're right about nobody presenting evidence that Bin Laden was responsible ... except for bin Laden himself. The guy fucking confessed. What more do you want? Maybe he can come to your house and show you his diary. Would that help?

This is the part I can't get over. The guy tried to take down the towers once and failed, vowed repeatedly to do it again, did it again and succeeded, and people don't believe him.

It's like your neighbor tries to shoot you, ends up winging you with a flesh wound, then spends the next eight years telling everybody, "I'm going to kill that motherfucker." Then you turn up dead. Your neighbor says, "Yup, I killed the motherfucker."

I think most rational people would take his word for it. Instead of saying, you know ... I think the U.S. government did it.


I know it's hard to believe for you free thinkers out there, but sometimes the most rational explanation really IS the truth.[/]

while i don't think it was 'mere hours after the towers were hit or fell' Afghanistan offered to hand over bin laden if we provided proof of his guilt. what seems wrong with that? if Afghanistan said hey, we KNOW slightofjeff helped carry out a terrorist attack against us! you'd have no problem with our government just saying 'oh, ok' and handing you over without asking for the proof? instead of giving proof we choose to bomb them.

also, bin laden had denied being a part of the attacks after they happened then later a tape came out, miraculously found in a home of bin laden supposedly talking about the attacks, yet he wrote with the opposite hand as stated in his CIA file.

i don't know what happened, i think at the very least they sat back and did nothing. too much doesn't make sense

jlew can roll his eyes at PNAC all he wants but Cheney and company sure made sure their policies got enacted

Pepe Silvia

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

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it didn't seem to bother bush and co. they were quite ok with murdering innocent civilians form Iraq and Afghanistan.

Really.... that's funny because it doesn't seem to bother Obama either and not to mention the dems that voted for the wars when bush was in office

i'm not arguing that..i said bush and co..duh...

you said There's no way any man or woman with any kind of conscious could live with themselves knowing that they helped murder 3000 innocent people., i proved you wrong. i don't care if it's batman who made the call.

before Cheney was vp he was asked how he and his company can do business with a few countries, some in violation of US law, that have horrid human rights records? his answer: i don't think about it

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew can roll his eyes at PNAC all he wants but Cheney and company sure made sure their policies got enacted

do you know that this almighty powerful organization doesnt even exist anymore? and at best had a one room office in Washington. please research the PNAC. you clearly know little about it besides thinking they somehow hatched a plan to attack and kill Americans.

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew can roll his eyes at PNAC all he wants but Cheney and company sure made sure their policies got enacted

do you know that this almighty powerful organization doesnt even exist anymore? and at best had a one room office in Washington. please research the PNAC. you clearly know little about it besides thinking they somehow hatched a plan to attack and kill Americans.

they also had members like cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, scooter libby........they got what they wanted, didn't they?

we invaded iraq
we broke the nuclear nonproliferation treaty
we increased defense spending
we militarized space.....

who cares if PNAC still exists now? i said Bush was a puppet for their agendas. everyone knows Bush didn't know much of what was going on during his 8 years

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew can roll his eyes at PNAC all he wants but Cheney and company sure made sure their policies got enacted

do you know that this almighty powerful organization doesnt even exist anymore? and at best had a one room office in Washington. please research the PNAC. you clearly know little about it besides thinking they somehow hatched a plan to attack and kill Americans.

they also had members like cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, scooter libby........they got what they wanted, didn't they?

we invaded iraq
we broke the nuclear nonproliferation treaty
we increased defense spending
we militarized space.....

so based on their obvious agenda, that has been common knowledge since the late 80s, they planned and executed 9/11? or at the least sat back and all agreed to let our country get attacked? is that really what you believe?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

who cares if PNAC still exists now? i said Bush was a puppet for their agendas. everyone knows Bush didn't know much of what was going on during his 8 years

yes he did. he made the final decision. thats what Presidents do. Cheney has recently been quoted saying he was upset with Bush becasuse he didn't always follow his advising.

you have a closed mind, try to think a little on your own and not believe everything you read at face value.

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

The Desperation of this troll truly knows no bounds.

its not a troll, its the board lord. i am sick of reading all of this baiting....

jlew24asu

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

The Desperation of this troll truly knows no bounds.

its not a troll, its the board lord. i am sick of reading all of this baiting....

he makes it all too easy to expose. as clearly seen above. you have anything constructive to add? are you a truther too?

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Do I believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? The answer to that question is that I don't know.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg

DragonsAfter3or4

jlew24asu wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Do I believe that a plane hit the Pentagon? The answer to that question is that I don't know.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/13.jpg

Be careful. Some will say that is nothing more than an oversized pic of the St. Louis 98 PJ concert. Same colors and it involves a plane. Shhhhhhhhhhhh

http://www.fivehorizons.com/tour/mem/post_STL98.gif

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

do you know that this almighty powerful organization doesnt even exist anymore? and at best had a one room office in Washington. please research the PNAC. you clearly know little about it besides thinking they somehow hatched a plan to attack and kill Americans.

they also had members like cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, scooter libby........they got what they wanted, didn't they?

we invaded iraq
we broke the nuclear nonproliferation treaty
we increased defense spending
we militarized space.....

so based on their obvious agenda, that has been common knowledge since the late 80s, they planned and executed 9/11? or at the least sat back and all agreed to let our country get attacked? is that really what you believe?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

who cares if PNAC still exists now? i said Bush was a puppet for their agendas. everyone knows Bush didn't know much of what was going on during his 8 years

yes he did. he made the final decision. thats what Presidents do. Cheney has recently been quoted saying he was upset with Bush becasuse he didn't always follow his advising.

you have a closed mind, try to think a little on your own and not believe everything you read at face value.

sigh i already stated twice in this thread that i didn't know what happened.

you are the 1 who asks a question then have it answered only to ask a million more....you stated we never conceived of airplanes being used to attack us....i gave you a link to a usa today article talking about NORAD running drills in 1999 of hijacked airplanes being crashed into the wtc and pentagon and other buildings and you don't address it, you just asked more questions.

Bush was a puppet for PNAC plain and simple. it doesn't matter that they are no longer around, members of PNAC were all through the white house from VP to sec of Defense to advisors, Cheney's cheif of staff....Bush was the face. He even admitted he doesn't read or look into things very much, he relies on what his advisers and those around him tell him. in other words, he does as he's told.

i remember in 04 he had a town hall type meeting and a girl asked him about making cuts to the student loan program and other programs just a day or 2 before this meeting. Bush had no fucking clue what she was talking about! he even asked her if she was sure! he's an idiot period. he didn't always do everything Cheney said but he did enough. Read PNAC's paper from 2000 and tell me most of that agenda didn't get enacted during Bush's first term.

like i said, i don't know what happened but people should be allowed to ask questions without all the hostility and attacks. a lot doesn't add up.

Pepe Silvia

Byrnzie wrote:

I wonder if those responsible for uncovering the Iran-Contra scandal were also conspiracy theorists?

yeah, until it was proven and then most people just shrugged and could care less....

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

sigh i already stated twice in this thread that i didn't know what happened.

you are the 1 who asks a question then have it answered only to ask a million more....you stated we never conceived of airplanes being used to attack us....i gave you a link to a usa today article talking about NORAD running drills in 1999 of hijacked airplanes being crashed into the wtc and pentagon and other buildings and you don't address it, you just asked more questions.

what would you like me to address? we ran drills, so what? the drills obviously failed as we were not prepared that day. you say what exactly? that it was allowed to happen?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

Bush was a puppet for PNAC plain and simple.

no he wasn't. you sound like a brain washed Alex Jones soldier.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

it doesn't matter that they are no longer around, members of PNAC were all through the white house from VP to sec of Defense to advisors, Cheney's cheif of staff....Bush was the face. He even admitted he doesn't read or look into things very much, he relies on what his advisers and those around him tell him. in other words, he does as he's told.

what the fuck are you getting at? that the PNAC, included Bush, allowed 9/11 to happen?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

like i said, i don't know what happened but people should be allowed to ask questions without all the hostility and attacks. a lot doesn't add up.

asking questions is one thing and accusing the PNAC and Bush of allowing the 9/11 attacks to happen is another.

there were many people in power who wanted to go to war with Iraq and keep America as a super power. I ask...SO WHAT. what does this prove? fact is, 9/11 was an attack on our country by Muslim extremists. Bush, Cheney, PNAC had nothing to do with it

Byrnzie

Interesting logic:

Muslim extremists attacked America. Therefore, Iraq was a legitimate target.


That's like saying that because some terrorists blew up a bar in Bali a few years ago and killed a bunch of Western tourists, that Laos is now a legitimate target because the people there have slanty eyes.

But, fuck it, who needs a valid reason to bomb the shit out of a sovereign nation when you regard yourselves as being above the law, and you have a subservient media and a politically disengaged and apathetic public? Yesterdays Vietnam is today's Iraq. Today's Iraq is tomorrows Iran. And the carnage and the lies just go on, and on, and on.