The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited September 2009
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.
    Cult = the easily influenced being brainwashed by charismatic leader.
    consiracy theorists = hardcore critical thinkers who question everything.

    Quite the contradictory.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.
    Cult = the easily influenced are taken control of.
    consiracy theorists = hardcore critical thinkers.

    Quite the contradictory.

    more like this...

    conspiracy theorists < hardcore critical thinkers.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.

    Do you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman and shot JFK?
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    edited September 2009
    Jeanwah wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.
    Cult = the easily influenced being brainwashed by charismatic leader.
    consiracy theorists = hardcore critical thinkers who question everything.

    Quite the contradictory.

    Again, I'm not making this up. It's a psychological fact. There is some fascinating research out there on the psycology of conspiracy theorists.
    Post edited by slightofjeff on
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Byrnzie wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.

    Do you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman and shot JFK?

    I think Dick Cheney did it.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I wonder if all the yahoo's on this message board throwing around the term 'Conspiracy theorists' would have been criticizing Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in 1972 and calling them conspiracy theorists for daring to claim that the President was behind the Watergate break-in?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    People who believe in conspiracy theories have a lot of the same mental characteristics as people who join cults.

    I'm just saying is all.
    Cult = the easily influenced being brainwashed by charismatic leader.
    consiracy theorists = hardcore critical thinkers who question everything.

    Quite the contradictory.

    Again, I'm not making this up. It's a psychological fact.
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if all the yahoo's on this message board throwing around the term 'Conspiracy theorists' would have been criticizing Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in 1972 and calling them conspiracy theorists for daring to claim that the President was behind the Watergate break-in?

    Probably.

    Until they produced facts. Or something other than crackpot conjecture and unprovables.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if all the yahoo's on this message board throwing around the term 'Conspiracy theorists' would have been criticizing Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in 1972 and calling them conspiracy theorists for daring to claim that the President was behind the Watergate break-in?
    Didn't you know the POTUS can never do any wrong. Even when he admits it in public.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I wonder if those responsible for uncovering the Iran-Contra scandal were also conspiracy theorists?
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if those responsible for uncovering the Iran-Contra scandal were also conspiracy theorists?

    Here's a common fallacy of conspiracy theorists right here. Just because conspiracies have existed before in the course of human history, it must mean that other things are also a conspiracy.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2009
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.

    And what's the psychology pf people who believe everything they're told by authority figures, even in the face of a mass of evidence to the contrary?
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if all the yahoo's on this message board throwing around the term 'Conspiracy theorists' would have been criticizing Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in 1972 and calling them conspiracy theorists for daring to claim that the President was behind the Watergate break-in?

    Probably.

    Until they produced facts. Or something other than crackpot conjecture and unprovables.
    Back then the journalists actually had integrity and and weren't told what they can and what they can't report. Back then, journalists were the ones actually digging up the dirt in Washington. Now that the gov't controls the media, anyone who disagrees are simply considered "conspiracy theorists", huh.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if all the yahoo's on this message board throwing around the term 'Conspiracy theorists' would have been criticizing Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in 1972 and calling them conspiracy theorists for daring to claim that the President was behind the Watergate break-in?

    And that might not even be true. Some think it was actually the people under Nixon who set him up to look bad...people like Poppy Bush. Who knows if that is true or not but I got it from this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Dy ... 850&sr=8-1

    You might be interested in reading it sometime because it does go into the Kennedy assassination a bit too.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Byrnzie wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.

    And what's the psychology pf people who believe everything their told by authority figures, even in the face of a mass of evidence to the contrary?

    Again, conjecture and unprovables do not constitute evidence.

    One thing 9.11 conspiricists have never been able to answer to my satisfaction: If it was all George W. Bush's fault, why did Osama bin Laden take credit for it?
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.
    Seriously dude. You can't connect cult members to the other. "Brainwashing" does not equal "choosing not to conform".
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder if those responsible for uncovering the Iran-Contra scandal were also conspiracy theorists?

    Here's a common fallacy of conspiracy theorists right here. Just because conspiracies have existed before in the course of human history, it must mean that other things are also a conspiracy.

    Strange leap of logic you make there. Are you suggesting that as humans we should never question anything, even when the facts presented to us are so full of holes that they resemble Swiss cheese?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited September 2009
    Byrnzie wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.

    And what's the psychology pf people who believe everything their told by authority figures, even in the face of a mass of evidence to the contrary?
    cult members. or, rather, sheep.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Jeanwah wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    They're not psychological terms! They're socialogical terms. :roll:

    Maybe we're splitting hairs here. Maybe we're talking about two separate things. I don't know.

    I'm specifically talking about the psychology of conspiracy theorists. According to some psychologists, they cling to their theories for many of the same reasons other people cling to their cults.
    Seriously dude. You can't connect cult members to the other. "Brainwashing" does not equal "choosing not to conform".

    Take it up with science. Not with me.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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