Why Hitler Failed

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118

    no, i am not crying about anything. everything i say on here i would say to your face. i am not afraid of you and i have no problems telling you how i feel and telling you the truth. if the mods are not going to warn or speak to you i am going to tell you what is up. these personal attacks on all of the other posters have to stop.

    who the fuck are you? first of all, I've insulted no one. if you or others want to act like message board tough guys, I'm going to defend myself. if people want to constantly show America as some worthless evil empire, I'm going to call them out. if someone wants to disgrace the victims of 9/11, on the anniversay, I'm going to call them out. if someone wants to spread lies about Americans killings one million Iraqis, I'm going to call them out.

    I'm still confused who you think you are giving me this lecture. moving on..
    say what you want to me i really don't care. i try to be really diplomatic when i post on here but i have no patience or tolerance when you hijack threads and start making rules and demands. for instance you always say "no cut and paste party", "no wiki links", etc as if you are the ruler of the board and everyone has to post according to your criteria.


    I never say "no" this or that. It simply gets old when the same thing is cut and pasted over and over and over again...
    well nobody died and made you king. you belittle thread topics, like you did a few posts ago in this very thread. here is an idea if you don't like the thread how about not posting in it? is that so difficult?

    well when someone wants to try and prove America had little role in defeating Hitler, blatantly shitting on the graves of the 10s of thousands Americans who died, I'm going to call them out. if that bothers, too fucking bad. or if someone wants to insist 9/11 was a conspiracy ON 9/11, I'm going to call them out.
    you made 15 shots at one poster in this very thread. you made a comment about someone's stature implying they were a little man. what was the point of that? that is chest pounding and intimidation if i ever heard it.

    its gets tiring when people, like you, try to act like a message board tough guy. someone wants to dish it, I'll dish it right back.
    if you are implying that i am a little guy here is some news for you. i am 5'11" and 240 lbs with 8% body fat. i routinely compete in wrestling tournaments and have fought a few mma matches so i am not someone that you would be able to control in the real world. just so you know that i am not 5'7 and 140.

    first of all, I wasn't talking to you. second of all, I'm sure you are. you also have a 10 inch cock right? :roll: its awesome being on a message board, you can be whoever you want. spare me you bullshit details of how big and bad you are.
    but none of that really matters. but the worst thing that i observe is you try to dominate or control others. you intimidate people from posting in this forum and you try to intimidate them from standing up to you. you are a bully in a lot of ways and it is really uncool.

    i do talk some shit, but most of it is sarcastic. i mean nothing personal by it. even when i go after you or call you out i try not to make is very personal.

    see how idiotic this statement is? of course you make it personal.
    i also many times make suggestions or try to contribute in a positive way, but sometimes i screw up and attack people. at least i can admit when i make a mistake or when i am an ass to someone. you are in complete denial that you insulted anyone at all.

    I do apologize when I'm out of line. but I won't apologize when I stand up or defend myself.
    you even said those statements were the truth in this very thread. in the other thread i was not demanding you do research. i was imploring you to post what you have so that not only me, but other people might learn somethng. you bragged about all of this research you had done but refused to share it. i thought maybe you had something that could have proven those that disagree with you wrong and embarrassed us. but since you did not do that it tells me you had nothing. seriously, when i ask for info it is for intellectual reasons. witholding information is very childish. we could all stand to learn something here. that is why i come here all the time.

    then I suggest a different approach to your posting. each time you gave me the typical "I' still waiting" response. second of all, I don't have to research something for you. you believe we killed one million people in Iraq. correct? I'm telling that is false based on facts that are all readily available. you are capable of finding itself. I'll be happy to share my research, but even when I do, its immediately dismissed as some "Gay Magazine". yea I know right? this place is a joke sometimes.

    that said, I'll take a different approach with you if you are truly interested in learning something.
    lastly, i am trying to get this thread back on topic because the personal attacks are getting old, but for some reason you don't want to discuss it. if you don't then kindly remove yourself from it so the topic can be discussed. i think this is a relevent topic because we all have something we can learn from WWII. thinking we know everythng is very arrogant. i think hitler failed for a number of reasons. his first mistake was not defeating the british in the battle of brittain, secondly i think breaking the treaty with russia and attacking them was horrible horrible planning. what do you think?

    the topic is bullshit and Bzyine only made it to show that America had little impact on the war and they we are probably on the same path today. if you think he's interested in honest discussion, you're dead wrong.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    Hitler failed because he was a right-wing bigoted patriot... which is the same reason as to why someone else on this thread has failed.

    you must mean me right ;) funny how, as a right wing bigoted patriot, I voted for and support Obama.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    Hitler failed because he was a right-wing bigoted patriot... which is the same reason as to why someone else on this thread has failed.

    you must mean me right ;) funny how, as a right wing bigoted patriot, I voted for and support Obama.

    patriotism can do funny things to people. ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    Hitler failed because he was a right-wing bigoted patriot... which is the same reason as to why someone else on this thread has failed.

    you must mean me right ;) funny how, as a right wing bigoted patriot, I voted for and support Obama.

    patriotism can do funny things to people. ;)

    I see nothing wrong with being patriotic. America has given me countless opportunities and allows me to be free. they even give me the opportunity to speak out when I disagree. something I think too many people take for granted.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    you must mean me right ;) funny how, as a right wing bigoted patriot, I voted for and support Obama.

    patriotism can do funny things to people. ;)

    I see nothing wrong with being patriotic. America has given me countless opportunities and allows me to be free. they even give me the opportunity to speak out when I disagree. something I think too many people take for granted.

    America hasnt given you anything... its in inanimate land mass
    and you've had countless opportunites? and yet you're on a PJ message board arguing about Hitler? cool.

    you are no more or no less free than any european on this board... fact. you have no more or no less opportunites than people in other countries... if you stopped waving the flag for a while you'd see that.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu wrote:

    no, i am not crying about anything. everything i say on here i would say to your face. i am not afraid of you and i have no problems telling you how i feel and telling you the truth. if the mods are not going to warn or speak to you i am going to tell you what is up. these personal attacks on all of the other posters have to stop.

    who the fuck are you? first of all, I've insulted no one.
    who the fuck are you? lol...i've heard those words uttered by you somewhere before. i was going to type a reply here, but i didn't want to derail the thread anymore than it already has been, so i'll start a new one. it takes a lot of effort to not get annoyed at your arrogance, but the new triumphantangel doesn't argue with people anyway. That's a behavior we've decided not to keep.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    America hasnt given you anything... its in inanimate land mass

    the American government has given me freedom. something many other countries do not have.
    dunkman wrote:
    and you've had countless opportunites? and yet you're on a PJ message board arguing about Hitler? cool.

    believe it or not, I do more then post on this message board. I work for a trading firm that is owned by a polish immigrant who came here 25 years ago with nothing more then a briefcase. I also own my photography business and a few small websites. again, this is something I wouldnt have the opportunity to do in many other countries.
    dunkman wrote:
    you are no more or no less free than any european on this board... fact.

    I never said I was. but for someone living in China? or Cuba? just about any country in the middle east? or a country with a less robust economy...which is just about all of Europe at this point. yes American economy is in bad shape, but Europe is worse today.
    dunkman wrote:
    you have no more or no less opportunites than people in other countries... if you stopped waving the flag for a while you'd see that.

    what an ignorant statement.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the American government has given me freedom. something many other countries do not have.

    so what?



    jlew24asu wrote:
    believe it or not, I do more then post on this message board. I work for a trading firm that is owned by a polish immigrant who came here 25 years ago with nothing more then a briefcase. I also own my photography business and a few small websites. again, this is something I wouldnt have the opportunity to do in many other countries.

    it's 'than'... you would have had those opportunities in many many countries... again, so what?


    jlew24asu wrote:
    never said I was. but for someone living in China? or Cuba? just about any country in the middle east? or a country with a less robust economy...which is just about all of Europe at this point. yes American economy is in bad shape, but Europe is worse today.

    although i fear repeating myself, i have to say 'so what?' yet again... you had all these opportunities in life... all these freedoms and shite and yet you work for a Polish guy and supplement your income with a sideline in photography... there are Russian oligarchs, French diamond dealers, British stockbrokers, Indian steel magnates and Swedish packaging designers quaking in their $40,000 leather futons at the mere thought of your opportunistic greatness.

    as for your freedoms.. what freedom do you have that we dont? please entertain me.

    and your press are ranked 36th in the worlds list of free media... the top 10 is littered with european countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_ ... ex_Ranking

    jlew wrote:
    what an ignorant statement

    not really.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    so what?

    so I'm appreciative for that. thus my patriotism.
    dunkman wrote:
    it's 'than'... you would have had those opportunities in many many countries... again, so what?

    so I'm appreciative for that. thus my patriotism.
    dunkman wrote:
    although i fear repeating myself, i have to say 'so what?' yet again... you had all these opportunities in life... all these freedoms and shite and yet you work for a Polish guy

    no, I work for an American...who is from Poland.
    dunkman wrote:
    and supplement your income with a sideline in photography...

    something I wouldnt be allowed to do in other countries. so I'm appreciative for that. thus my patriotism.
    dunkman wrote:
    there are Russian oligarchs, French diamond dealers, British stockbrokers, Indian steel magnates and Swedish packaging designers quaking in their $40,000 leather futons at the mere thought of your opportunistic greatness.

    so what?
    dunkman wrote:
    as for your freedoms.. what freedom do you have that we dont? please entertain me.

    I never said I was more free then you. you are lucky enough to live in a free coutnry as well. yay for us. but how about someone in China or Cuba? they throw people in jail, and in some cases torture and kill, those who speak out against the government.
    dunkman wrote:
    and your press are ranked 36th in the worlds list of free media... the top 10 is littered with european countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_ ... ex_Ranking

    looks rather complicated, I'll give it a look. not sure its relevant...I thought we are talking about individual freedoms. I'm not a journalist.

    dunkman wrote:

    not really.

    it really is. sounds like you think all countries are free. I suggest you rethink that
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    jlew can I just ask 2 perfectly innocent questions?

    1) Are you ever wrong about anything? Anything at all?
    2) Is it possible for anyone else to comment on a debate on here without you then making your own interpretations and assumptions as to their intentions / meanings and exaggerating them to the extreme?

    Peace

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    UKDave wrote:

    1) Are you ever wrong about anything? Anything at all?

    sure. I've stood corrected many times. and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.
    UKDave wrote:
    2) Is it possible for anyone else to comment on a debate on here without you then making your own interpretations and assumptions as to their intentions / meanings and exaggerating them to the extreme?

    Peace

    Dave

    I never make assumptions. most people's intentions that i debate with are crystal clear.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    personally i blame his wee moustache
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    jlew24asu wrote:
    UKDave wrote:

    1) Are you ever wrong about anything? Anything at all?

    sure. I've stood corrected many times. and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.
    UKDave wrote:
    2) Is it possible for anyone else to comment on a debate on here without you then making your own interpretations and assumptions as to their intentions / meanings and exaggerating them to the extreme?

    Peace

    Dave

    I never make assumptions. most people's intentions that i debate with are crystal clear.

    Really? If you can see people's intentions with crystal clarity you must have some kind of superpower...

    Good on you, what's your superhero name? 8-)
    Astoria Crew
    Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
    Astoria, Dublin, Reading 06
    Katowice, Wembley 07
    SBE, Manchester, O2 09
    Hyde Park 10
    Manchester 1&2 12
    This is just g'bye for now...
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    UKDave wrote:
    Really? If you can see people's intentions with crystal clarity you must have some kind of superpower...
    not really. if you follow the debate, you'll see what the intention is as well. hell, many will openly state their intentions. doesn't take any superpowers. ;)

    do you have any other condescending "innocent" questions? :roll:
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    jlew24asu wrote:
    UKDave wrote:
    Really? If you can see people's intentions with crystal clarity you must have some kind of superpower...
    not really. if you follow the debate, you'll see what the intention is as well. hell, many will openly state their intentions. doesn't take any superpowers. ;)

    do you have any other condescending "innocent" questions? :roll:

    I did read it first actually, I think you got suckered in, jumped in with both feet and then ended up flailing around at everyone in sight... Maybe best not to tell people why they are doing something or saying something, none of us actually know what's going on inside each other's heads ;)
    Astoria Crew
    Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight...
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    This is just g'bye for now...
  • UKDaveUKDave Posts: 5,557
    dunkman wrote:
    personally i blame his wee moustache

    Probably pretty itchy and irksome I would guess... I know the feeling, not shaved since the op, can't pull those taut face muscles without the nose exploding in pain... maybe tomorrow I'll break out the razor... :roll:
    Astoria Crew
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    This is just g'bye for now...
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Sure, it really sucks to live in China. There are just no opportunities here:

    http://www.china.org.cn/business/news/2 ... 896892.htm
    'China has surpassed France and now stands fifth around the world for its number of US dollar millionaires, said Merrill Lynch and the France-based Capgemini, the biggest European consulting firm.

    China was reported to have about 415,000 people owning at least US$1 million in liquid assets last year, more than France's 394,000.

    Great Britain ranked fourth and had 495,000 US dollar millionaires, according to the Capgemini report.'


    http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2007/05/30/ ... lionaires/
    'According to the latest Merrill Lynch Cap Gemini survey, China had 320,000 millionaires (those with $1 million in investible assets) in 2005, up 6.8% from 2004. Granted, China’s millionaire growth rate is the same as that of the U.S., which had 2.67 million millionaires in 2005. In other words, China has about the same number of millionaires as Ohio.

    Yet China is growing quickly — and along with that growth has come a changing attitude toward wealth...'


    It's kind of ironic that the report should mention Ohio - the same place where four college students were gunned down by the authorities in 1970 after they criticized the U.S government too loudly.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:

    It's kind of ironic that the report should mention Ohio - the same place where four college students were gunned down by the authorities in 1970 after they criticized the U.S government too loudly.

    keep holding tight to the ONE time in modern American history that this has happened. yet thousands upon thousands have been tortured, jailed, and killed at the hands of Chinese authorities.

    yea, you have no agenda.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sure, it really sucks to live in China. There are just no opportunities here:

    yea, opportunities abound.

    start an organization in China that criticizes its human rights polices. similar to the hundreds of watchdog groups we have here in the US. let me know how that goes.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    "We won this war because our men are brave and because of many things-because of Russia, England and China and the passage of time and the gift of nature's material. We did not win it because destiny created us better than all other peoples. I hope that in victory, we are more grateful than we are proud." Ernie Pyle, U.S. war correspondent shortly before his death and the end of the war.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I see someone is trying to derail this thread because the subject being discussed doesn't show America as being a sole beacon of light and freedom in the world and the one country responsible for defeating Nazi Germany, as many Americans ignorantly choose to believe.

    no Americans believe we were the one country responsible for defeating the Nazis. none.
    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=115521&p=2611753#p2611753
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    How do we know he really failed? Not exactly knowing what the real intent was for the people backing him.
    Gimme some truth please
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    How do we know he really failed?

    Because he didn't succeed.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    How do we know he really failed? Not exactly knowing what the real intent was for the people backing him.
    Gimme some truth please

    hmmm maybe youre right... yes maybe the whole point of the final solution was really so that the western nations would take pity on the jews, assuage their own guilt by atoning for their own gross negligence in allowing the aforementioned genocide to occur, allow them to visit upon another people what was visited upon them, with impunity and, dare i say the blessing of the "in god we trust" united states of america, and in doing so secure(and i use that term very loosely) themselves a homeland....


    ...WTF???!!!!
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    pandora wrote:
    How do we know he really failed?

    he failed at growing a full mustache.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    tybird wrote:
    "We won this war because our men are brave and because of many things-because of Russia, England and China and the passage of time and the gift of nature's material. We did not win it because destiny created us better than all other peoples. I hope that in victory, we are more grateful than we are proud." Ernie Pyle, U.S. war correspondent shortly before his death and the end of the war.

    this is a sentiment we don't see enough in american political discourse these days... humility goes a long way.
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    tybird wrote:
    "We won this war because our men are brave and because of many things-because of Russia, England and China and the passage of time and the gift of nature's material. We did not win it because destiny created us better than all other peoples. I hope that in victory, we are more grateful than we are proud." Ernie Pyle, U.S. war correspondent shortly before his death and the end of the war.

    this is a sentiment we don't see enough in american political discourse these days... humility goes a long way.
    Certainly does. :clap:

    I've enjoyed this thread. It's all over the place, China, mustaches... excellent.

    Hitler failed because like all egotistical maniacs he believed in his own invincabilty. He stretched his forces to the limit especially in invading Russia. He also didn't learn from history that people won't be suppressed, eventually they fight for freedom. All glorious empires have been defeated eventually no matter how long it took.

    And there was no way a civilised world was going to tolerate being forced to listen to German rock music, drink from ridiculously large glasses, eat sausage and it's women be forced to have hairy armpits.
  • is Germany where germs come from?

    and where is Sovia? never heard of Soviets.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    nuffingman wrote:
    And there was no way a civilised world was going to tolerate being forced to listen to German rock music, drink from ridiculously large glasses, eat sausage and it's women be forced to have hairy armpits.

    You forgot that the civilised world would also not tolerate an abundance of movies featuring people pooing on each other.
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    Byrnzie wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    And there was no way a civilised world was going to tolerate being forced to listen to German rock music, drink from ridiculously large glasses, eat sausage and it's women be forced to have hairy armpits.

    You forgot that the civilised world would also not tolerate an abundance of movies featuring people pooing on each other.
    I don't know what films you've been watching but count me out. Perhaps it explains why you started the "Any good movies" thread. :lol:
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