Michael Moore is Fat. He needs to start pushing himself away from the dinner table before he is taxed for being fat. He also needs to come out of his Capitalistitic closet, as he's making a Capitalist profit off of his movies.
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Michael Moore is Fat. He needs to start pushing himself away from the dinner table before he is taxed for being fat. He also needs to come out of his Capitalistitic closet, as he's making a Capitalist profit off of his movies.
Michael Moore, a man who has benefited and yes PROFITED from the free-market capitalist system as much as any "documentary filmmaker" has in the history of that genre belittles the very thing that brought him his accolades and fame. This could be the biggest comedy of the year.
Trey and Matt need to riff on this one soon.
Isn't it ironic - in your opinion: hypocritical - that someone who lives within a capitalist system can also stand up and criticize that same system? It's a bit like someone protesting the crimes of their government, like the war in Iraq, or the support of Israel. Rather than focusing on his arguments and asking whether he has a point, you simply point out that he's free to speak out, and that therefore he should shut the fuck up. IMO that's hypocritical.
http://www.time.com/time/business/artic ... 56,00.html But aren't you really a model capitalist? You raise money. You hire people. You create a product and sell it to the public, bearing the risk and gaining the rewards that goes along with it.
'Capitalism would have never let me be a filmmaker, living in Flint, Michigan with a high school education. I was going to have to make that happen myself. My last movie, I gave it away for free on the Internet: Slacker Uprising. If I were a capitalist I would not give my employees health insurance with no deductible, which I do, including dental, and paid pregnancy leave. That's not called capitalism, that's called being a Christian and someone who believes in democracy, so that everyone should get a fair slice of the pie.'
The American film-maker has shocked many of his rightwing critics by revealing he is a practising Catholic
Paul Harris - The Observer, Sunday 11 October 2009
'Rightwing critics of controversial film-maker Michael Moore call him many things: a socialist, a hypocrite, unpatriotic – and they even make unkind remarks about his weight.
But, with his new anti-capitalist film showing on US movie screens last week, Moore has unveiled an unexpected trump card against conservatives who so vociferously attack him: Christianity. Moore is a practising Catholic and has put religion at the core of Capitalism: A Love Story. Alongside the political arguments about inequality, Wall Street corruption and the failures of George W Bush, Moore argues that capitalism is also fundamentally unchristian.
In the film he interviews several Catholic priests, who explain their belief that capitalism and the free market, by emphasising greed and the self over community, go against the Bible's basic tenets. One priest, Dick Preston, tells Moore: "Capitalism is evil, immoral and contrary to the teachings of Jesus." Moore also describes his own Catholic upbringing and includes a skit where free-market slogans are dubbed inappropriately – and hilariously – over scenes from a movie of Jesus's life.
The tactic appears to have unnerved many on America's right wing, who are used to attacking Moore as a symbol of leftwing secularism. On a recent TV appearance on cable channel Fox News, Moore was interviewed by rightwing host Sean Hannity. Moore surprised Hannity by identifying himself primarily as a Christian, not a socialist. He then turned the tables and asked Hannity when he himself had last been to church and what the subject of the sermon had been. The exchange left Hannity unable to answer and was an instant hit across the liberal blogosphere.
But many argue that the astonishment at Moore's gospel radicalism is misplaced. Though recent US political history seems to have been dominated by the rise of evangelical conservatism and its powerful grip on the Republican party, there is a parallel tradition of leftwing priests in America, especially with Catholics. "Catholics have always had a strong tradition in labour and union issues in America. There is not much in laissez-faire capitalism that is actually backed up by Catholic teaching," said Professor David O'Brien, a faith and culture expert at the University of Dayton, Ohio.
Cardinal James Gibbons was a famous advocate of union rights in the early 20th century. Daniel and Philip Berrigan were brothers and radical priests who opposed the Vietnam war. The black civil rights movement was led by clergy, most famously by Dr Martin Luther King.
Certainly the Rev Peter Dougherty appears to be in that tradition. Dougherty, who conducted the marriage service for Moore's sister, has known the Moore family for a long time and was happy to appear in the documentary. He lives in Michigan and has seen the devastation of local industry and unemployment that often seems to provide the motivation for Moore.
Dougherty told the Observer he had no qualms about launching a religious attack on capitalism. "There have always been people who questioned basing a society on greed. That is what capitalism is. It is based on the greed motive, a radical evil. Moore's use of religious arguments in Capitalism: A Love Story also taps into wider issues happening at the fiery place where US politics and Christianity meet. Though the past few decades appear to have been dominated by religious arguments over abortion and other social issues, those culture wars seem to have died down a little.
Among some evangelicals a strong environmental movement has grown up, seeing ecology and green issues in the light of religious arguments about conserving God's creation. Some churches and religious figures have taken a liberal stance on gay marriage. During Barack Obama's inauguration, openly gay bishop Gene Robinson gave a speech. The man who gave the invocation at the inauguration was Pastor Rick Warren, a leading evangelical. Though politically conservative, he has taken a leading role on issues of poverty, the environment and inequality.
But close watchers of Moore should perhaps not have been surprised by his inclusion of Christianity in his latest movie. In fact, he has long been open about his religious beliefs and his admiration for the liberal tradition of political activism in Catholicism. He has said that as a child he considered going to a seminary to study to become a priest because he had been so impressed by the nuns who taught him at school. Dougherty, who loves Moore's films, even thinks the Oscar-winning film-maker may have missed his true vocation. "Michael is a great preacher," he said.
Michael Moore, a man who has benefited and yes PROFITED from the free-market capitalist system as much as any "documentary filmmaker" has in the history of that genre belittles the very thing that brought him his accolades and fame. This could be the biggest comedy of the year.
Michael Moore, a man who has benefited and yes PROFITED from the free-market capitalist system as much as any "documentary filmmaker" has in the history of that genre belittles the very thing that brought him his accolades and fame. This could be the biggest comedy of the year.
Trey and Matt need to riff on this one soon.
how else could he possibly get his message out?
I don't know much about the creators of the Zeitgeist movies, but those have made their way around the internet quite a few times for free.
People have been saying stuff like why is he then make a capitalist venture etc but I believe this could be answered with him being able to make more documentries like this and others, if he makes everything for free then he can't exactly carry on making doc's to create change.
Or, maybe he's just a big fat hypocrite. :shock:
And a liar too. HIs movies don't depict the truth. The sad thing is that people fall for his crap.
People have been saying stuff like why is he then make a capitalist venture etc but I believe this could be answered with him being able to make more documentries like this and others, if he makes everything for free then he can't exactly carry on making doc's to create change.
Or, maybe he's just a big fat hypocrite. :shock:
And a liar too. HIs movies don't depict the truth. The sad thing is that people fall for his crap.
people attack him for being fat or a hypocrate because they have nothing else on him. have you seen his movies? they may not depict YOUR reality in pennsylvania, but in places like detroit and flint, they are pretty accurate. how can you say it is not the truth if you do not live there? name me 3 things that are not true in any of his movies. and don't give me any BS from a gun lobby website, as we debated that ad nauseum on this board years ago and its a biased source. and also nothing from the current flick because i have not seen it yet.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And a liar too. HIs movies don't depict the truth. The sad thing is that people fall for his crap.
So what aspect of 'Sicko' was a lie?
Also, what aspect of 'Bowling for Columbine' was a lie?
it's much easier to just say he lies...
Don't expect examples.
True. It's fashionable and cool to dismiss Michael Moore. Though It's strange that I only ever hear this bullshit from Americans. It makes me wonder what kind of mainstream media coverage he's received over there since Fahrenheit 9/11. I expect that every talking head from Bill Maher to Rush Limbaugh has been chiming in with their half-assed, smug opinions over the years and now everyone just follows suit like obedient sheep.
The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.
The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.
well come with it then. dispute his claims, or better yet, give the truth that he has omitted. i am sure you can google it and post it if you really want to make your point. better yet, just dismiss it and make excuses like "it is just half truths" like all the rest of your friends on the right. i am not just calling you out as an individual, but the right in general. its easier to call him a fat hypocrate than posting facts to back up your assertions that he is lying.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html '...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'
And what 'truth' did he leave out of 'Fahrenheit 9/11' and 'Bowling for Columbine'?
The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html '...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'
And what 'truth' did he leave out of Fahrenheit 9/11 and 'Bowling for Columbine'?
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
The deception rests in the relevent information that is always left out in his movies. He is a cherry picker. Do you think that he is showing the whole picture? He is "biased." Omitting the truth is a better word to use than lieing.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html '...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'
And what 'truth' did he leave out of Fahrenheit 9/11 and 'Bowling for Columbine'?
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
Shut your pie hole you blind idiot. Michael Moore will wipe his ass with the money you spend on him. You won't here me complaining about gay rights. Why bring that into the arguement? Because you have no original thought?
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
I know you're not talking to me, but I agree. At the same time, I'd rather make noise and keep at it, until some day they start listening and perhaps a hole of openness gets into their closed minds someday. Why let people continue to live in ignorance? Isn't it our duty to spread the awareness? Like M.M.? No matter how annoying we are!!
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
Wow, nice. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. :roll:
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of
I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P
this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.
Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.
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Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of
I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P
this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.
Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.
If you go back and read my post again you will see that I was referring to those who call him fat or think he shouldn't complain about a capitalist society while living in it. If you don't like his style of film making so be it. But the level of thoughtless attacks from the uneducated losers here gets sickening. I just call it as I see it.
I have seen the movie and I think it is one of Roger's best. It was almost two and a half hours long and moved very fluidly. It doesn't matter if you are on the right or the left, this movie should interest you!!!
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
really is that all you can say? if you dont accept what I am saying then we are a waste of oxygen and space,really you convinced me to worship the ground micheal moore walks on. From just the preview alone it looks like the same old crap, which should be taken lightly and you should get a good laugh out of
I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P
this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.
Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.
If you go back and read my post again you will see that I was referring to those who call him fat or think he shouldn't complain about a capitalist society while living in it. If you don't like his style of film making so be it. But the level of thoughtless attacks from the uneducated losers here gets sickening. I just call it as I see it.
I have seen the movie and I think it is one of Roger's best. It was almost two and a half hours long and moved very fluidly. It doesn't matter if you are on the right or the left, this movie should interest you!!!
cool will check it out but I have to wait a few weeks due to me being in australia
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i caught most of this movie over the weekend ... unfortunately for moore and everyone for that matter - a lot of people will dismiss the primary message in his film because of his style ... these are the same people who ask animal rights activists if they wear leather shoes ...
it's pretty simple - many ont his board (both right and left) have been saying this for years ... it isn't capitalism per se that is evil ... it's just that you have evil people who have manipulated the system and they have been exploiting and pillaging the people for years based on this ...
say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...
i caught most of this movie over the weekend ... unfortunately for moore and everyone for that matter - a lot of people will dismiss the primary message in his film because of his style ... these are the same people who ask animal rights activists if they wear leather shoes ...
it's pretty simple - many ont his board (both right and left) have been saying this for years ... it isn't capitalism per se that is evil ... it's just that you have evil people who have manipulated the system and they have been exploiting and pillaging the people for years based on this ...
say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...
No different from Communism then. Just different methods.
From what I've read, there is little to no mention of the Fed's role in this movie, so I will not be seeing it. I found this clip on youtube, which I thought was interesting (if genuine):
From what I've read, there is little to no mention of the Fed's role in this movie, so I will not be seeing it. I found this clip on youtube, which I thought was interesting (if genuine):
say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...
...which is why we created laws and enforcements of them in the first place. The alternative to the "what can you do" approach, is to ensure either that 1) Noone can take anything without anyone noticing or 2) You build a norm structure and establish morals in the group that prevents them from exploiting such loopholes. Historically, we have used both, most often simultaneously.
There is a lot to be said for "community spirit" which is often overlooked in an overly individualistic perspective.
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So...looks like I may actually have the chance to see a movie (and of my own choosing) this Friday evening. Should I go with this movie, or just go have a good time with something like Zombieland?
So...looks like I may actually have the chance to see a movie (and of my own choosing) this Friday evening. Should I go with this movie, or just go have a good time with something like Zombieland?
zombieland is good fun while moore's movie is his typical grandstanding which i know you've not liked in the past ... and so it depends on what you are into ...
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Michael Moore is Fat. He needs to start pushing himself away from the dinner table before he is taxed for being fat. He also needs to come out of his Capitalistitic closet, as he's making a Capitalist profit off of his movies.
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
Errm, o.k. :?
Isn't it ironic - in your opinion: hypocritical - that someone who lives within a capitalist system can also stand up and criticize that same system? It's a bit like someone protesting the crimes of their government, like the war in Iraq, or the support of Israel. Rather than focusing on his arguments and asking whether he has a point, you simply point out that he's free to speak out, and that therefore he should shut the fuck up. IMO that's hypocritical.
http://www.time.com/time/business/artic ... 56,00.html
But aren't you really a model capitalist? You raise money. You hire people. You create a product and sell it to the public, bearing the risk and gaining the rewards that goes along with it.
'Capitalism would have never let me be a filmmaker, living in Flint, Michigan with a high school education. I was going to have to make that happen myself. My last movie, I gave it away for free on the Internet: Slacker Uprising. If I were a capitalist I would not give my employees health insurance with no deductible, which I do, including dental, and paid pregnancy leave. That's not called capitalism, that's called being a Christian and someone who believes in democracy, so that everyone should get a fair slice of the pie.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/oct ... capitalism
Michael Moore's anti-capitalist crusade
The American film-maker has shocked many of his rightwing critics by revealing he is a practising Catholic
Paul Harris - The Observer, Sunday 11 October 2009
'Rightwing critics of controversial film-maker Michael Moore call him many things: a socialist, a hypocrite, unpatriotic – and they even make unkind remarks about his weight.
But, with his new anti-capitalist film showing on US movie screens last week, Moore has unveiled an unexpected trump card against conservatives who so vociferously attack him: Christianity. Moore is a practising Catholic and has put religion at the core of Capitalism: A Love Story. Alongside the political arguments about inequality, Wall Street corruption and the failures of George W Bush, Moore argues that capitalism is also fundamentally unchristian.
In the film he interviews several Catholic priests, who explain their belief that capitalism and the free market, by emphasising greed and the self over community, go against the Bible's basic tenets. One priest, Dick Preston, tells Moore: "Capitalism is evil, immoral and contrary to the teachings of Jesus." Moore also describes his own Catholic upbringing and includes a skit where free-market slogans are dubbed inappropriately – and hilariously – over scenes from a movie of Jesus's life.
The tactic appears to have unnerved many on America's right wing, who are used to attacking Moore as a symbol of leftwing secularism. On a recent TV appearance on cable channel Fox News, Moore was interviewed by rightwing host Sean Hannity. Moore surprised Hannity by identifying himself primarily as a Christian, not a socialist. He then turned the tables and asked Hannity when he himself had last been to church and what the subject of the sermon had been. The exchange left Hannity unable to answer and was an instant hit across the liberal blogosphere.
But many argue that the astonishment at Moore's gospel radicalism is misplaced. Though recent US political history seems to have been dominated by the rise of evangelical conservatism and its powerful grip on the Republican party, there is a parallel tradition of leftwing priests in America, especially with Catholics. "Catholics have always had a strong tradition in labour and union issues in America. There is not much in laissez-faire capitalism that is actually backed up by Catholic teaching," said Professor David O'Brien, a faith and culture expert at the University of Dayton, Ohio.
Cardinal James Gibbons was a famous advocate of union rights in the early 20th century. Daniel and Philip Berrigan were brothers and radical priests who opposed the Vietnam war. The black civil rights movement was led by clergy, most famously by Dr Martin Luther King.
Certainly the Rev Peter Dougherty appears to be in that tradition. Dougherty, who conducted the marriage service for Moore's sister, has known the Moore family for a long time and was happy to appear in the documentary. He lives in Michigan and has seen the devastation of local industry and unemployment that often seems to provide the motivation for Moore.
Dougherty told the Observer he had no qualms about launching a religious attack on capitalism. "There have always been people who questioned basing a society on greed. That is what capitalism is. It is based on the greed motive, a radical evil. Moore's use of religious arguments in Capitalism: A Love Story also taps into wider issues happening at the fiery place where US politics and Christianity meet. Though the past few decades appear to have been dominated by religious arguments over abortion and other social issues, those culture wars seem to have died down a little.
Among some evangelicals a strong environmental movement has grown up, seeing ecology and green issues in the light of religious arguments about conserving God's creation. Some churches and religious figures have taken a liberal stance on gay marriage. During Barack Obama's inauguration, openly gay bishop Gene Robinson gave a speech. The man who gave the invocation at the inauguration was Pastor Rick Warren, a leading evangelical. Though politically conservative, he has taken a leading role on issues of poverty, the environment and inequality.
But close watchers of Moore should perhaps not have been surprised by his inclusion of Christianity in his latest movie. In fact, he has long been open about his religious beliefs and his admiration for the liberal tradition of political activism in Catholicism. He has said that as a child he considered going to a seminary to study to become a priest because he had been so impressed by the nuns who taught him at school. Dougherty, who loves Moore's films, even thinks the Oscar-winning film-maker may have missed his true vocation. "Michael is a great preacher," he said.
I don't know much about the creators of the Zeitgeist movies, but those have made their way around the internet quite a few times for free.
And a liar too. HIs movies don't depict the truth. The sad thing is that people fall for his crap.
people attack him for being fat or a hypocrate because they have nothing else on him. have you seen his movies? they may not depict YOUR reality in pennsylvania, but in places like detroit and flint, they are pretty accurate. how can you say it is not the truth if you do not live there? name me 3 things that are not true in any of his movies. and don't give me any BS from a gun lobby website, as we debated that ad nauseum on this board years ago and its a biased source. and also nothing from the current flick because i have not seen it yet.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So what aspect of 'Sicko' was a lie?
Also, what aspect of 'Bowling for Columbine' was a lie?
it's much easier to just say he lies...
Don't expect examples.
True. It's fashionable and cool to dismiss Michael Moore. Though It's strange that I only ever hear this bullshit from Americans. It makes me wonder what kind of mainstream media coverage he's received over there since Fahrenheit 9/11. I expect that every talking head from Bill Maher to Rush Limbaugh has been chiming in with their half-assed, smug opinions over the years and now everyone just follows suit like obedient sheep.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
'...Wendell Potter, a top health insurance executive -- the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country which provides health insurance to nearly 70 percent of the Fortune 100 companies - admits that, in fact, "Sicko" "hit the nail on the head" and told the real truth about how much better people in other countries have it when it comes to their health care..'
And what 'truth' did he leave out of 'Fahrenheit 9/11' and 'Bowling for Columbine'?
Hey byrnzie, I don't know why you communicate with these douchebag losers at life. You are not gonna change any minds. The idiots here that say he's fat or say he shouldn't be critical of capitalism in a capitalist society aren't worth your time. They are a waste of oxygen and space. If people are too stupid to realize that M.M. is just trying to open some peoples eyes to injustices and problems in this world in an entertaining way. Then fuck them. Let them go back to complaining about gay rights while ass raping each other.
Shut your pie hole you blind idiot. Michael Moore will wipe his ass with the money you spend on him. You won't here me complaining about gay rights. Why bring that into the arguement? Because you have no original thought?
I know, It's like playing with a bad tooth - I know I shouldn't touch it, but I can't help myself. :P
Wow, nice. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. :roll:
this thread would be no fun with out you in mate, have you seen this movie Manufacturing Dissent from 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IUU7a4wB0. Its what caused me to ask questions about moores style when it comes to documentary film making.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html
Has anyone seen the movie yet? can they tell me what you thought? is it worth going to see as I still have a few weeks to wait for it to open here.
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If you go back and read my post again you will see that I was referring to those who call him fat or think he shouldn't complain about a capitalist society while living in it. If you don't like his style of film making so be it. But the level of thoughtless attacks from the uneducated losers here gets sickening. I just call it as I see it.
I have seen the movie and I think it is one of Roger's best. It was almost two and a half hours long and moved very fluidly. It doesn't matter if you are on the right or the left, this movie should interest you!!!
cool will check it out but I have to wait a few weeks due to me being in australia
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it's pretty simple - many ont his board (both right and left) have been saying this for years ... it isn't capitalism per se that is evil ... it's just that you have evil people who have manipulated the system and they have been exploiting and pillaging the people for years based on this ...
say you had a community of 10 and there was just enuf food for everyone every day - now, say that there was a way of 1 person in that community to take more leaving others short without anyone knowing it ... you know someone is gonna do it - that is human nature and that is what is happening especially in america where they use the notion of freedom and democracy to brainwash people into getting screwed ...
No different from Communism then. Just different methods.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRceRplAtoE
Even though there is almost nothing about the fed, this movie is worth a viewing. Lots to think about and lots to laugh about.
...which is why we created laws and enforcements of them in the first place. The alternative to the "what can you do" approach, is to ensure either that 1) Noone can take anything without anyone noticing or 2) You build a norm structure and establish morals in the group that prevents them from exploiting such loopholes. Historically, we have used both, most often simultaneously.
There is a lot to be said for "community spirit" which is often overlooked in an overly individualistic perspective.
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
zombieland is good fun while moore's movie is his typical grandstanding which i know you've not liked in the past ... and so it depends on what you are into ...