Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Brisk. wrote:
    I will check out Sicko tonight. Im just a kid from the UK soi dont get the very exact details from his documentries, e.g like comapnies he talks about etc but i get the general message. I dont even follow politics in this country, but i did watch all the obama vs mccain debates on youtube hahah, but didn't understand what they were talking about too much :P

    Sicko's a good one. I didn't think I'd like it too much as documentaries about health care don't sound very interesting. I finally got around to watching it this year and thought it was brilliant.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I believe he laid off people who worked for him just when the last movie was released. He is what he criticizes.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    I believe he laid off people who worked for him just when the last movie was released. He is what he criticizes.

    Any proof of this? And if so, then why were they laid off? Did he choose to shoot his movie down in Mexico for the cheap labour?
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    The trailer looks very interesting and I look forward to checking this out. I think Moore has more balls then most men, and because he's willing to ask those questions that make people twitch, and volunteer to be that one; the radical getting in people's faces, that it instills fear and distrust in people. In my opinion, it's why he's so unliked. But to me, well, I like people who would take that risk, not to mention that his documentaries are well done.
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
    Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.


    "Michael Moore, Fried food, narcisism, & hypocrites: A Love Story"

    I'll help ya make it jlew so long as we don't appear in front of the camera and just focus in on the topic at hand rather than pimp ourselves out...what do ya say? ;)
    will you both be wearing these?

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  • Byrnzie wrote:
    You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
    Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.


    "Michael Moore, Fried food, narcisism, & hypocrites: A Love Story"

    I'll help ya make it jlew so long as we don't appear in front of the camera and just focus in on the topic at hand rather than pimp ourselves out...what do ya say? ;)
    will you both be wearing these?

    61CY2VByWsL._AA280_.jpg


    Nope,,,do you sell Michael Moore is a big fat hypocrital primadonna narcisist boxers? I'd wear those for sure!!! :)
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    [quote="TriumphantAngel
    will you both be wearing these?

    61CY2VByWsL._AA280_.jpg


    Nope,,,do you sell Michael Moore is a big fat hypocrital primadonna narcisist boxers? I'd wear those for sure!!! :)[/quote]
    yeah but they only come in that color pattern so you can wrap yourself in the flag every time you wear them...
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    'Criticize the messenger and ignore the message'.

    Always works well for people with no argument.

  • "Michael Moore, Fried food, narcisism, & hypocrites: A Love Story"

    I'll help ya make it jlew so long as we don't appear in front of the camera and just focus in on the topic at hand rather than pimp ourselves out...what do ya say? ;)
    will you both be wearing these?

    61CY2VByWsL._AA280_.jpg


    Nope
    You're such an asshole dude... Why can't you just pretend, and let me be happy? grrr. ;)
  • Byrnzie wrote:
    'Criticize the messenger and ignore the message'.

    Always works well for people with no argument.


    And you sir have no sense of humor whatsoever.

    His message is the messenger...;)
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  • will you both be wearing these?

    61CY2VByWsL._AA280_.jpg


    Nope
    You're such an asshole dude... Why can't you just pretend, and let me be happy? grrr. ;)

    Sorry...do those come in a boxer brief?
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  • Byrnzie wrote:
    'Criticize the messenger and ignore the message'.

    Always works well for people with no argument.

    I just hope he has a message and does not make it about Michael taking on the capitalist oppressors.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    From Toronto to Pittsburgh to Jay Leno, "Capitalism" Marches On

    Tuesday, September 15th, 2009

    Friends,

    It hasn't quite hit me that "Capitalism: A Love Story," my new film, will be opening in theaters in New York and L.A. just one week from tomorrow. And everywhere else on October 2nd. Is it already the fall?

    Having spent the last year and a half living pretty much under the radar and quietly putting together this movie for you, it is heartening, to say the least, to read the early reviews where Time Magazine called it "Moore's magnum opus," the Los Angeles Times has declared it my "most controversial film yet," and Variety has said that "Capitalism: A Love Story" is "one of Moore's best films." Wow. Honestly, I didn't know what to expect, considering this film is an all-out assault against the racket polite people like to call "Wall Street."

    My crew and I had one thought in mind while we were filming "Capitalism": What if the powers-that-be refuse to give us funding for the next movie after they see what we've put in this one?! And if that was the case, knowing that this documentary might be our last one for a while, what would we want to make sure we put in this film? That's a heavy thought, I know, but we did, indeed, set about making this movie and giving it everything we got, with an attitude that said loud and clear: "Take no prisoners!"

    The film is now completed and we left our world premiere at the Venice Film Festival with two of its prizes! "Capitalism: A Love Story" won the Leoncino d'Oro award, given to one film each year by a jury of young adults in Venice (they call it their "youth prize," meaning we were the top film among the young people at the festival). We were also awarded The Open Prize, given to the film that best honors the art of cinema (a group of Italian artists participating in the Venice Biennale hand out this cherished prize).

    Then, this past Sunday night, we landed in Canada for the North American premiere of "Capitalism: A Love Story" -- and again, the film was met with wide critical acclaim and thunderous applause at the screenings (no, it wasn't just the sound of Canadians trying to keep their hands warm).

    But it wasn't till last night, at the annual convention of the AFL-CIO in downtown Pittsburgh, PA, that a packed house of rank-and-file union members -- plumbers and nurses and steelworkers and 73 other trades -- watched the U.S. premiere of our film and, I kid you not, the roof practically came off the place as the credits rolled. I've never witnessed, in my 20 years as a filmmaker, such a response to one of my movies. I'm sure the theater management must have been thinking a riot was going to break out. After years of having the crap kicked out of working people of this country, the crowd in Pittsburgh was ready to rumble after watching two hours of cinema that laid it all out about how Corporate America has gotten away with murder. I was profoundly moved by this overwhelming and enthusiastic response. I simply can't wait to bring this movie to your town and for you to see it! I know you will be shocked and surprised by a lot of what you will see in it. Once again, I've set out to show you things the nightly news doesn't dare show you. There will be some very wealthy men who will not be happy about this film's release. So be it. It's a free country, but more importantly, it's OUR country. It doesn't belong to the richest 1% who now -- are you ready for this -- have more financial wealth than the entire bottom 95% of the country combined!!

    Last night Jay Leno premiered his new prime time show on NBC. His in-studio guest was Jerry Seinfeld. Tonight (Tuesday), for his second show, his guest is... me! I know -- that's crazy. My friends are taking bets on the exact hour today the executives at G.E. will call and pull the plug on this insanity. Or not.

    Assuming that doesn't happen, I invite you to tune in at 10pm ET/PT, 9pm CT/MT. I'll show, for the first time on national TV, a scene from the movie -- and I might have another surprise for you.

    Well, I've landed in L.A. and it's time to get ready for the big show tonight. Thanks for all your support of my work in these past 20 years. I hope, together, we can make change happen in the coming months. That's what the majority voted for. That's what we all deserve.

    AND NO BACKING DOWN ON UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE - THE INSURANCE COMPANIES MUST GO!

    That's all for now, my friends.

    Yours,
    Michael Moore
  • I saw the trailer for this in front of Whiteout last weekend and it just looks annoying. Personally I don't care whether people agree with Moore or not, but as far as making a movie goes this looks like the same old crap. I hate that shit where he stops someone on the street or in front of their office and asks them a potentially embarassing question they are not prepared for and then makes them look like an idiot for not having a solid answer or saying no comment. That's just a cheap ploy to make the person asking the question look smart and the other person look dumb. He did a bunch of the same moves in Bowling for Columbine, which I thought was a terrible documentary. It seemed with that one instead of picking a single topic and actually investigating it he went all over the place and the movie totally lacked any kind of focus. It just bugs me that there are a ton of great documentary makers out there but this guy, who seems like a total famewhore grabs all the attention.
  • If Moore made this film without mentioning the major role that the Federal Reserve plays into this corrupt system, his work is officially dead to me. His research would either be bullshit, or I'd consider him to be 'controlled opposition.'
  • it's quite simple, if you don't like moore's documentaries, don't watch them.
    i am looking forward to this new one.
  • I'll watch this, but I'm not holding my breath that it won't be runined like 9/11 or Sicko with selective editing and playing on emotions more than facts.

    I like his documentaries, and I usually agree with the point of view that he is going for, but his approach and style leave me annoyed, disappointed and thinking that he hurt his causes more than helped.
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  • I saw Moore on Leno the other night talking about this new documentary. In that interview in particular, it sounded to me like he read David Cay Johnston's: Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves At Government Expense (and Stick You With the Bill), which is a great book and if this documentary interests you--you will enjoy the book, and is putting his spin on it. It's always my hope with these types of films, that people who would not normally go out and read the types of books, such as the aforementioned title, will watch and have their eyes opened, even just a little, as to how the world really works. Here's hoping that this film inspires some folks to go out and seek the truth for themselves.
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  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    I'll watch this, but I'm not holding my breath that it won't be runined like 9/11 or Sicko with selective editing and playing on emotions more than facts.

    I like his documentaries, and I usually agree with the point of view that he is going for, but his approach and style leave me annoyed, disappointed and thinking that he hurt his causes more than helped.

    i agree.
    there's huge holes in his movies.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    After 20 Years of Filmmaking on US Injustices, Michael Moore Goes to the Source in “Capitalism: A Love Story”

    I like what he had to say here on Democracy Now about what capitalism is ALL about...


    MICHAEL MOORE: Mm-hmm. Yes, I did start making this movie about six months before the crash. And, I mean, I was like, I think, a number of other people who felt that what was going on on Wall Street was really a house of cards that had been constructed to create this illusion of wealth for the investor class, which they like to now—which they say, you know, Americans are all invested now in the stock market because of pension funds and whatever. And I just felt that we weren’t that far away from something happening. I didn’t know what was going to happen, but I thought this would probably an excellent time to begin this film.


    Before the crash, something happened in August. You know, in America, we don’t, in daily discourse, use the words “capitalism” or “socialism.” They’ve been kind of nonexistent words, I would say, amongst the general public. And then in August of ’08, Obama is walking down a suburban street near Toledo, runs into this guy, Joe—we’ll call him Joe—and he says to him that he, Obama, believes it’s good to spread the wealth around, which, of course, is the basic tenet of socialism. And immediately, the Republicans not being that stupid, picked right up on that and started calling him a socialist, and we heard this word every day, “socialist, socialist, socialist, socialist.” I’m like, wow, I’ve not heard the word used that much in quite some time. It was, you know, partially amusing.


    But barely a month later, the crash happens. And what does President Bush do? He goes on TV, a number of times. He starts making speeches at the Manhattan Institute and other places about capitalism. Today’s topic is capitalism. You know, and I’m thinking, now, when in my lifetime have I seen a president of the United States use the word—or make it the topic of a speech, where everything is about capitalism, capitalism, capitalism? I’m going, wow, now this word’s being used.


    And I thought, well, we should probably take advantage of this moment, that now—now these words are OK to say amongst the general public. They’re not, you know, scary words, or they’re not necessarily loaded with whatever that was before—I can’t really put my finger on it, but, you know, say, if I were on the Today Show or, you know, something like that, and I just started talking about capitalism, you know, two, three, four, five years ago, they would have looked at me like, you know, why are you doing this? Are you nuts? And so, it allowed, in a strange way, for me, this film, and all of us really, now to have this discussion.


    And I think that this economic system that we have is an evil system. I truly believe that it is essentially designed to cause harm to people. It’s not an accident that this happens, because capitalism is, in its own way, its own Ponzi scheme. You know, we talk a lot about Bernie Madoff, and I guess he became a nice poster boy and a distraction from the real subject, but, in fact, capitalism, especially capitalism now as we know it, is a pyramid scheme, and it’s set up so that, again, the richest one percent sit on top of the pyramid. Their job is to convince everybody under them in the pyramid, all the worker ants, that they, too, could be at the top of the pyramid someday, when, of course, they know only a few people can sit on top of that pyramid. “If you just sell enough Amway, you can be up here with us.” No, that’s really not how it works. But it has worked for a long time, because a lot of everyday average Americans started believing this, this ruse that they, too, could be rich someday.


    And so, I just—I just felt like it was time to just go after this and name it and not be afraid to name it and realize, OK, I know all the names I’m going to be called and, you know, this, that or whatever, and, you know, what I’m going to, you know, be dragged through, but I just—I just am tired—it really is—I am tired of having to dance around this or deal with this symptom of the problem or that calamity caused by capitalism. I mean, I could keep doing this ’til the end of my life, and I don’t think anything is really going to change that much. And I’d like to see change in my lifetime. And so, I made this film to just kind of, you know, go for it and start a discussion and stop these people, who are just blocks from us, who right now are planning today’s moves to make life miserable for millions of Americans and people around the world.



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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have a question...
    Has anyone actually SEEN the movie? Is it out in the theaters right now?
    I mean, maybe it would be a good idea to actually see the movie (with as close to an objective view as you can conjour up) and comment on it's content, not it's messenger.
    ...
    I think I'll try to see it this weekend... if it is even out in the theaters.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    I have a question...
    Has anyone actually SEEN the movie? Is it out in the theaters right now?
    I mean, maybe it would be a good idea to actually see the movie (with as close to an objective view as you can conjour up) and comment on it's content, not it's messenger.
    ...
    I think I'll try to see it this weekend... if it is even out in the theaters.

    i have to wait till the 5th November in Austrialia
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  • I love how Moore says how evil capitalism is while at the same time making himself incredibly rich on the backs of the masses that he so heroically fights for in his movies. :roll: He absolutely loves capitalism because it gives him the chance to become one of the wealthy elite by making movies bashing capitalism. It must be a great life.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    MM188016 wrote:
    I love how Moore says how evil capitalism is while at the same time making himself incredibly rich on the backs of the masses that he so heroically fights for in his movies. :roll: He absolutely loves capitalism because it gives him the chance to become one of the wealthy elite by making movies bashing capitalism. It must be a great life.
    ...
    i have not seen the movie yet... so, it would be pretty fucking moronic on my part to comment on it... doncha think?
    So, what part of the movie, specifically, did you not agree with?
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  • MM188016 wrote:
    I love how Moore says how evil capitalism is while at the same time making himself incredibly rich on the backs of the masses that he so heroically fights for in his movies.


    Um.. "on the backs?"

    How so?

    He makes his movies himself... and they're quite low-budget. Saying he gets rich "on the backs" of the masses suggests that he screws over countless people who do the work for him. And although he's been accused of selective editing, he's never been accused of unfair business or work ethics.

    He makes his money because he produces a product that people want. People like his movies.. they find them entertaining and informative. They find them thought-provoking. But he doesn't screw "the masses" over when he makes his movies.

    I get it that you don't want to admit he's got good points in his movies, but you're really stretching.
  • Jasunmark wrote:
    MM188016 wrote:
    I love how Moore says how evil capitalism is while at the same time making himself incredibly rich on the backs of the masses that he so heroically fights for in his movies.


    Um.. "on the backs?"

    How so?

    He makes his movies himself... and they're quite low-budget. Saying he gets rich "on the backs" of the masses suggests that he screws over countless people who do the work for him. And although he's been accused of selective editing, he's never been accused of unfair business or work ethics.

    He makes his money because he produces a product that people want. People like his movies.. they find them entertaining and informative. They find them thought-provoking. But he doesn't screw "the masses" over when he makes his movies.

    I get it that you don't want to admit he's got good points in his movies, but you're really stretching.

    have not seen the movie so i can not comment, but as far as the trailer goes it seems like it will be more of the same sort of stuff he has done in other movies (e.g. the I am here to get the peoples money back bit where he walks into a build with a money sack, the i am here to make a citezens arrest bit, standing in front of an office building ask a bunch of busy people as they exit an office question that they are not prepared to answer or dont have to answer). hopefully these are just their to be funny and not really used in any way to try and make his point, i hope when i watch this movie i learn something from it
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    have not seen the movie so i can not comment, but as far as the trailer goes it seems like it will be more of the same sort of stuff he has done in other movies (e.g. the I am here to get the peoples money back bit where he walks into a build with a money sack, the i am here to make a citezens arrest bit, standing in front of an office building ask a bunch of busy people as they exit an office question that they are not prepared to answer or dont have to answer). hopefully these are just their to be funny and not really used in any way to try and make his point, i hope when i watch this movie i learn something from it
    ...
    I'm going to hold on to my opinions til I see the movie, too.
    I have to really try to be objective... beause i feel that Michael Moore is the Ying to the FOX News types Yang.
    I also think those Wall street douchebags are the ones who hold the majority of the responsibility for the Market collapse. Then, trying to blame it on people who were sold the American Dream by schiester loan agents while they made billions, hand over fist. And the worst part... Americans buy it.
    So... I go in, pretty much mistrusting both sides... but, I believe i can make a fair assessment.
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  • If Moore made this film without mentioning the major role that the Federal Reserve plays into this corrupt system, his work is officially dead to me. His research would either be bullshit, or I'd consider him to be 'controlled opposition.'


    +1
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Cosmo wrote:
    I have a question...
    Has anyone actually SEEN the movie? Is it out in the theaters right now?
    I mean, maybe it would be a good idea to actually see the movie (with as close to an objective view as you can conjour up) and comment on it's content, not it's messenger.
    ...
    I think I'll try to see it this weekend... if it is even out in the theaters.

    It comes out next week and I'll see it cause I like in the interview where he says capitalism is like a *ponze scheme* and there's some truth to that whether you lie that or not.
    And I think that this economic system that we have is an evil system. I truly believe that it is essentially designed to cause harm to people. It’s not an accident that this happens, because capitalism is, in its own way, its own Ponzi scheme. You know, we talk a lot about Bernie Madoff, and I guess he became a nice poster boy and a distraction from the real subject, but, in fact, capitalism, especially capitalism now as we know it, is a pyramid scheme, and it’s set up so that, again, the richest one percent sit on top of the pyramid. Their job is to convince everybody under them in the pyramid, all the worker ants, that they, too, could be at the top of the pyramid someday, when, of course, they know only a few people can sit on top of that pyramid. “If you just sell enough Amway, you can be up here with us.” No, that’s really not how it works. But it has worked for a long time, because a lot of everyday average Americans started believing this, this ruse that they, too, could be rich someday.


    And so, I just—I just felt like it was time to just go after this and name it and not be afraid to name it and realize, OK, I know all the names I’m going to be called and, you know, this, that or whatever, and, you know, what I’m going to, you know, be dragged through, but I just—I just am tired—it really is—I am tired of having to dance around this or deal with this symptom of the problem or that calamity caused by capitalism. I mean, I could keep doing this ’til the end of my life, and I don’t think anything is really going to change that much. And I’d like to see change in my lifetime. And so, I made this film to just kind of, you know, go for it and start a discussion and stop these people, who are just blocks from us, who right now are planning today’s moves to make life miserable for millions of Americans and people around the world.


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  • Michael Moore, a man who has benefited and yes PROFITED from the free-market capitalist system as much as any "documentary filmmaker" has in the history of that genre belittles the very thing that brought him his accolades and fame. This could be the biggest comedy of the year.

    Trey and Matt need to riff on this one soon.
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