i do believe the oscars are peer voted.. therefore it would be assumed that those documentary makers who do this shit for a living thought moore was worth the award. but what would they know, right??
A pretty naive thought really.
The only documentary Michael Moore has ever done is 1 long (4-6 part) documentary on himself.
i do believe the oscars are peer voted.. therefore it would be assumed that those documentary makers who do this shit for a living thought moore was worth the award. but what would they know, right??
A pretty naive thought really.
The only documentary Michael Moore has ever done is 1 long (4-6 part) documentary on himself.
oh for sure totally. :roll:
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i do believe the oscars are peer voted.. therefore it would be assumed that those documentary makers who do this shit for a living thought moore was worth the award. but what would they know, right??
A pretty naive thought really.
The only documentary Michael Moore has ever done is 1 long (4-6 part) documentary on himself.
Sure, Bowling Columbine didn't address anything to do with guns. Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't address anything to do with the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the Bush Administration, and Sicko was all lies, despite the head of one of America's medical insurance companies claiming recently that the movie hit the nail on the head.
i do believe the oscars are peer voted.. therefore it would be assumed that those documentary makers who do this shit for a living thought moore was worth the award. but what would they know, right??
A pretty naive thought really.
The only documentary Michael Moore has ever done is 1 long (4-6 part) documentary on himself.
Sure, Bowling Columbine didn't address anything to do with guns. Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't address anything to do with the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the Bush Administration, and Sicko was all lies, despite the head of one of America's medical insurance companies claiming recently that the movie hit the nail on the head.
I've said it before..see "death in gaza' if you want a great idea of what a true documentary is about...hint...tay behind the camera.
F 9/11 was really stupid. So was Bowling. Never got to see Sicko, so I can't comment, it's certainly a good topic...could be a good movie. My criticism is about his style, I don't like it and I think he likes seeing himself on camera an awful lot more than I do.
Can you elaborate and tell us what was stupid about these two films, one of which won an Oscar, and the other a Palme D'or?
Edit: Oh wait, you've already said it...you don't like seeing Michael Moore in front of the camera.
I've already done all that ... use the search function.
Seriously though, I get why people like him. I just don't. I love documentaries, and I think a good film maker makes the documentary about the subject and tried not to interject themselves. They film and gather, otherwise it's just an editorial opinion. That is my take.
I and yes, I really didn't enjoy Bowling. I thought he took some things out of context just to try and prove his editorial opinion rather than document the facts. I also didn't really enjoy his info-mertial style. Interesting enough, I agree with him in regards to gun control...so while agreeing with the topic, I still really disliked the film.
As for F 9/11...saw it in the theater with a friend that is fairly polar opposite of me on a lot fo issues. Once again, I found it to be a chopped up editorial opinion and not a documentary. Some good stuff, but a lot of crap. Again, just my opinion.
Hey whatever floats your boat. People like different styles. He like to be part of the subject of his movies. He likes to be a celebrity. And you like that. More power to him and you.
You have to give him credit for being able to make a living at it, it's tough work. And the research is tough work.
Especially if you are only trying to find 1 side of the story the whole time, you have to look twice as long to get enough for a movie.
Can you elaborate and tell us what was stupid about these two films, one of which won an Oscar, and the other a Palme D'or?
Edit: Oh wait, you've already said it...you don't like seeing Michael Moore in front of the camera.
I've already done all that ... use the search function.
Seriously though, I get why people like him. I just don't. I love documentaries, and I think a good film maker makes the documentary about the subject and tried not to interject themselves. They film and gather, otherwise it's just an editorial opinion. That is my take.
I and yes, I really didn't enjoy Bowling. I thought he took some things out of context just to try and prove his editorial opinion rather than document the facts. I also didn't really enjoy his info-mertial style. Interesting enough, I agree with him in regards to gun control...so while agreeing with the topic, I still really disliked the film.
As for F 9/11...saw it in the theater with a friend that is fairly polar opposite of me on a lot fo issues. Once again, I found it to be a chopped up editorial opinion and not a documentary. Some good stuff, but a lot of crap. Again, just my opinion.
Hey whatever floats your boat. People like different styles. He like to be part of the subject of his movies. He likes to be a celebrity. And you like that. More power to him and you.
You have to give him credit for being able to make a living at it, it's tough work. And the research is tough work.
Especially if you are only trying to find 1 side of the story the whole time, you have to look twice as long to get enough for a movie.
Micahel Moore owes his success to capitalism. what an assclown
So are you saying that anyone who lives in a capitalist society has no right to criticize it and expose it's corruption?
no thats not what I'm saying. but its good too see you back trying to put words in other peoples mouth. some things never change I guess. I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
Micahel Moore owes his success to capitalism. what an assclown
So are you saying that anyone who lives in a capitalist society has no right to criticize it and expose it's corruption?
no thats not what I'm saying. but its good too see you back trying to put words in other peoples mouth. some things never change I guess. I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
I knew you'd use that line. 'Love it, or leave it', right?
So not only should anybody living in a capitalist society not criticize the system and it's corruption, but anybody living in a capitalist society should not criticize it period.
Seems like a dog chasing it's own tail. You declare that simply because you are free to criticize it - within certain limits - that you therefore shouldn't criticize it. So much for democracy and freedom of speech.
I knew you'd use that line. 'Love it, or leave it', right?
So not only should anybody living in a capitalist society not criticize the system and it's corruption, but anybody living in a capitalist society should not criticize it period.
Seems like a dog chasing it's own tail. You declare that simply because you are free to criticize it - within certain limits - that you therefore shouldn't criticize it. So much for democracy and freedom of speech.
none of this garbage has anything do to with my post. so typical.
that Micahel Moore owes his success to capitalism. and he is an assclown. I thought I made that clear
No, you made nothing clear.
I'll ask you again: Do you think that he is right to criticize the capitalist system and it's corruption, or do you think that everyone living in this society should be silent and obedient?
I'll ask you again: Do you think that he is right to criticize the capitalist system and it's corruption
or do you think that everyone living in this society should be silent and obedient?
I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.
I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.
I love that fact that I live in a country where people can speak their mind freely. that doesnt mean I have to agree or like the person. get it?
I love that fact that I live in a country where people can speak their mind freely. that doesnt mean I have to agree or like the person. get it?
You living in a country where people can speak their minds has nothing to do with why you live there. The fact that you spew hateful insults upon anyone who criticizes your government or your country is proof of this. Still, nice try.
You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.
"Michael Moore, Fried food, narcisism, & hypocrites: A Love Story"
I'll help ya make it jlew so long as we don't appear in front of the camera and just focus in on the topic at hand rather than pimp ourselves out...what do ya say?
The fact that you spew hateful insults upon anyone who criticizes your government or your country is proof of this. Still, nice try.
I criticize my government all the time. its really nice to be able to do that without fear of going to jail. something you currently can not do. such a shame.
I was banned by the mods for six weeks before for merely 'responding' to you. So, in light of that, and your persistent insults and provocations to me and everyone else on this message board who doesn't toe the line with your every opinion, I'm not going to reply to any more of your bullshit.
I expect you'll get yourself banned without any further help from me, so I'll leave you to it.
Really? When? On a Pearl Jam message board? The U.S power elites must be shaking in their boots.
no. criticizing the government on this board is useless, but I still do it often.. I do my criticizing on social networks, emailing my local reps, and at local alderman meetings I attend when I have a problem. I'm just one guy with a voice. they certainly are shaking in the boots.
I was banned by the mods for six weeks before for merely 'responding' to you. So, in light of that, and your persistent insults and provocations to me and everyone else on this message board who doesn't toe the line with your every opinion, I'm not going to reply to any more of your bullshit.
I expect you'll get yourself banned without any further help from me, so I'll leave you to it.
I just watched 'The Big One'. What do people think of it?
I love how he is upfront with all the people high up in these companies, e.g. the donating a 80c cheque to pay for a mexican's hour of labour.
But does he not have a good point all these corporations making millions/billions and they cant even give them a pay rise, nevermind shutting down a plant and moving to Mexico to try and make more profit?
I just watched 'The Big One'. What do people think of it?
I love how he is upfront with all the people high up in these companies, e.g. the donating a 80c cheque to pay for a mexican's hour of labour.
But does he not have a good point all these corporations making millions/billions and they cant even give them a pay rise, nevermind shutting down a plant and moving to Mexico to try and make more profit?
He does have a good point, but according to some people, because he has enough money with which to make these films, everything he says and does is invalidated and irrelevant.
I.e, even when the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country says that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko', some people still respond by calling Michael Moore 'a fat piece of hateful shit'.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how his new movie addresses the points you raise re: the fat cats screwing the little man.
I just watched 'The Big One'. What do people think of it?
I love how he is upfront with all the people high up in these companies, e.g. the donating a 80c cheque to pay for a mexican's hour of labour.
But does he not have a good point all these corporations making millions/billions and they cant even give them a pay rise, nevermind shutting down a plant and moving to Mexico to try and make more profit?
He does have a good point, but according to some people, because he has enough money with which to make these films, everything he says and does is invalidated and irrelevant.
I.e, even when the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country says that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko', some people still respond by calling Michael Moore 'a fat piece of hateful shit'.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how his new movie addresses the points you raise re: the fat cats screwing the little man.
michael moore could uncover some of the greatest mysteries of our time, roswell, the holy grail, the lost ark, who killed jfk, where is amelia earhart etc and there is a certain section of our population that will not recognize it or give him any credit because of his style. it is substance not style. i think people automatically disregard what he says because he is on camera so much, but the whole point of the documentaries is they document moore's experience in covering the topic in addition to the topic itself. i like that about him because it shows how difficult that genre of filmmaking really is. he gets a bad rap. did charleton heston not look like an asshole in bowling? did the bush administration not look like a bunch of assholes in f 9/11? in spite of what people think there is some truth in these movies.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I just watched 'The Big One'. What do people think of it?
I love how he is upfront with all the people high up in these companies, e.g. the donating a 80c cheque to pay for a mexican's hour of labour.
But does he not have a good point all these corporations making millions/billions and they cant even give them a pay rise, nevermind shutting down a plant and moving to Mexico to try and make more profit?
He does have a good point, but according to some people, because he has enough money with which to make these films, everything he says and does is invalidated and irrelevant.
I.e, even when the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country says that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko', some people still respond by calling Michael Moore 'a fat piece of hateful shit'.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how his new movie addresses the points you raise re: the fat cats screwing the little man.
I will check out Sicko tonight. Im just a kid from the UK soi dont get the very exact details from his documentries, e.g like comapnies he talks about etc but i get the general message. I dont even follow politics in this country, but i did watch all the obama vs mccain debates on youtube hahah, but didn't understand what they were talking about too much :P
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I wish he would just sit behind a radio microphone and spew unsupported nonsense.
A pretty naive thought really.
The only documentary Michael Moore has ever done is 1 long (4-6 part) documentary on himself.
oh for sure totally. :roll:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sure, Bowling Columbine didn't address anything to do with guns. Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't address anything to do with the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the Bush Administration, and Sicko was all lies, despite the head of one of America's medical insurance companies claiming recently that the movie hit the nail on the head.
I've said it before..see "death in gaza' if you want a great idea of what a true documentary is about...hint...tay behind the camera.
F 9/11 was really stupid. So was Bowling. Never got to see Sicko, so I can't comment, it's certainly a good topic...could be a good movie. My criticism is about his style, I don't like it and I think he likes seeing himself on camera an awful lot more than I do.
You should be a film critic.
Can you elaborate and tell us what was stupid about these two films, one of which won an Oscar, and the other a Palme D'or?
Edit: Oh wait, you've already said it...you don't like seeing Michael Moore in front of the camera.
I've already done all that ... use the search function.
Seriously though, I get why people like him. I just don't. I love documentaries, and I think a good film maker makes the documentary about the subject and tried not to interject themselves. They film and gather, otherwise it's just an editorial opinion. That is my take.
I and yes, I really didn't enjoy Bowling. I thought he took some things out of context just to try and prove his editorial opinion rather than document the facts. I also didn't really enjoy his info-mertial style. Interesting enough, I agree with him in regards to gun control...so while agreeing with the topic, I still really disliked the film.
As for F 9/11...saw it in the theater with a friend that is fairly polar opposite of me on a lot fo issues. Once again, I found it to be a chopped up editorial opinion and not a documentary. Some good stuff, but a lot of crap. Again, just my opinion.
Hey whatever floats your boat. People like different styles. He like to be part of the subject of his movies. He likes to be a celebrity. And you like that. More power to him and you.
You have to give him credit for being able to make a living at it, it's tough work. And the research is tough work.
Especially if you are only trying to find 1 side of the story the whole time, you have to look twice as long to get enough for a movie.
Fair enough.
So are you saying that anyone who lives in a capitalist society has no right to criticize it and expose it's corruption?
no thats not what I'm saying. but its good too see you back trying to put words in other peoples mouth. some things never change I guess. I love living in a country where assclowns like Michael Moore can criticize anything he wants. in many places, like China for example, he would be in jail.
I knew you'd use that line. 'Love it, or leave it', right?
So not only should anybody living in a capitalist society not criticize the system and it's corruption, but anybody living in a capitalist society should not criticize it period.
Seems like a dog chasing it's own tail. You declare that simply because you are free to criticize it - within certain limits - that you therefore shouldn't criticize it. So much for democracy and freedom of speech.
So what are you saying?
that Micahel Moore owes his success to capitalism. and he is an assclown. I thought I made that clear
none of this garbage has anything do to with my post. so typical.
No, you made nothing clear.
I'll ask you again: Do you think that he is right to criticize the capitalist system and it's corruption, or do you think that everyone living in this society should be silent and obedient?
its not my problem you lack comprehension skills. my statement is very clear. I'll spell it out again. you ready?
Moore owes his success to capitalism. without it, he would not be rich. he is also an assclown.
if you need further clarification, let me know.
like is said....
You love living in a country where people can criticize your government but when they do you call them fat, hateful human garbage.
Like I said, a dog chasing it's own tail.
I love that fact that I live in a country where people can speak their mind freely. that doesnt mean I have to agree or like the person. get it?
You living in a country where people can speak their minds has nothing to do with why you live there. The fact that you spew hateful insults upon anyone who criticizes your government or your country is proof of this. Still, nice try.
"Michael Moore, Fried food, narcisism, & hypocrites: A Love Story"
I'll help ya make it jlew so long as we don't appear in front of the camera and just focus in on the topic at hand rather than pimp ourselves out...what do ya say?
yes it does. because if I couldn't freely speak my mind, or if assholes like MM weren't allowed to, I wouldn't be living here anymore.
I criticize my government all the time. its really nice to be able to do that without fear of going to jail. something you currently can not do. such a shame.
Really? When? On a Pearl Jam message board? The U.S power elites must be shaking in their boots.
I'm perfectly free to criticize the British government, thanks.
I was banned by the mods for six weeks before for merely 'responding' to you. So, in light of that, and your persistent insults and provocations to me and everyone else on this message board who doesn't toe the line with your every opinion, I'm not going to reply to any more of your bullshit.
I expect you'll get yourself banned without any further help from me, so I'll leave you to it.
no. criticizing the government on this board is useless, but I still do it often.. I do my criticizing on social networks, emailing my local reps, and at local alderman meetings I attend when I have a problem. I'm just one guy with a voice. they certainly are shaking in the boots.
thats great. but you don't live in Britain. you live in China. if you dare criticize them you will be thrown in jail.
bye bye
I love how he is upfront with all the people high up in these companies, e.g. the donating a 80c cheque to pay for a mexican's hour of labour.
But does he not have a good point all these corporations making millions/billions and they cant even give them a pay rise, nevermind shutting down a plant and moving to Mexico to try and make more profit?
He does have a good point, but according to some people, because he has enough money with which to make these films, everything he says and does is invalidated and irrelevant.
I.e, even when the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country says that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko', some people still respond by calling Michael Moore 'a fat piece of hateful shit'.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how his new movie addresses the points you raise re: the fat cats screwing the little man.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I will check out Sicko tonight. Im just a kid from the UK soi dont get the very exact details from his documentries, e.g like comapnies he talks about etc but i get the general message. I dont even follow politics in this country, but i did watch all the obama vs mccain debates on youtube hahah, but didn't understand what they were talking about too much :P