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  • dustinparduedustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

    without records,

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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I could not agree more Vinyl is so pointless. I hate how the ten club gives you these holiday singles on vinyl I have never played one of them they take up space and when I'm tired of looking at them I throw them away! People try being cool by saying oh I have that on vinyl I think to myself why? When can you ever even play it?

    You can play them if you have a record player, dummy. :roll:

    He was trying to generate some reasonable discussion and that's the only comment you got? Name calling too - nice.

    I saw Cincybearcat's post and that's pretty much my situation - I know vinyl's got its points for the hardcore connoisseur, and I know Library of Congress uses it to store music, but like Cincy, my music listening is mainly in the car, when working at my computer or working at my fitness center. Its kind of the difference between being satisfied with a Toyota (moi) or feeling you need a Mercedes because of the quality of the engine - the difference is there but for every day use it isn't going to be that significant for most people.
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,099
    I have hardly any vinyl, but a friend has over 100,000 and I will happily admit his sound system pisses all over anything I have ever heard

    Valve amps = the most beautiful sound I ever came across. Its mesmorising.

    I still buy CDs because if I wanted to follow that track I'd have to invest extremely heavily.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    I only "collect" the xmas singles, and the normal releases, and I promised myself to stop when I get soldier field, maybe after that I start with all the singles but there's a lot of weird stuff in that deparment :?
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  • JaneNY wrote:
    I saw Cincybearcat's post and that's pretty much my situation - I know vinyl's got its points for the hardcore connoisseur, and I know Library of Congress uses it to store music, but like Cincy, my music listening is mainly in the car, when working at my computer or working at my fitness center. Its kind of the difference between being satisfied with a Toyota (moi) or feeling you need a Mercedes because of the quality of the engine - the difference is there but for every day use it isn't going to be that significant for most people.



    agreed.
    i listen to music mostly on my train commute, thus my ipod. i DO listen to music at home, but CDs and the ipod are just so convenient. i gave up on vinyl in my late teens. i do agree vinyl has a warmer/fuller sound, absolutely....but the convenience of other media trumps that sound sacrifice imo. also, i grew up on vinyl, and i always found no matter what....my albums developed skips, hisses, pops, etc....and that really interfered with my enjoyment of the music. :twisted: so you bet....i *heart* CDs! i tolerate ipods simply b/c it is amazingly convenient to carry around 80 gigs worth of music in a tiny device!
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  • I think it's a matter of what you are used to...I used to go to record stores when I was younger, I still refer to new pieces of music as records, i.e., did you hear the new Pearl Jam record yet? I don't say 'hey, i just got the new Metallica disc' no matter the format, I always use the term record. I think records sound significantly better and warmer than digital, digital sounds horrible to me....but it's just what I am used to...kinda like when you go into a studio and record with tape versus sitting at home and using a Mac.....sound quality is drastically different to my ears, but if it's all you listen to, or is what you've been brought up on, then that may not be the case for you.....

    'enough said.. :)
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    JaneNY wrote:
    I could not agree more Vinyl is so pointless. I hate how the ten club gives you these holiday singles on vinyl I have never played one of them they take up space and when I'm tired of looking at them I throw them away! People try being cool by saying oh I have that on vinyl I think to myself why? When can you ever even play it?

    You can play them if you have a record player, dummy. :roll:

    He was trying to generate some reasonable discussion and that's the only comment you got? Name calling too - nice.

    I saw Cincybearcat's post and that's pretty much my situation - I know vinyl's got its points for the hardcore connoisseur, and I know Library of Congress uses it to store music, but like Cincy, my music listening is mainly in the car, when working at my computer or working at my fitness center. Its kind of the difference between being satisfied with a Toyota (moi) or feeling you need a Mercedes because of the quality of the engine - the difference is there but for every day use it isn't going to be that significant for most people.
    I'm all for reasonable discussion (I have a few hundred vinyl records, a few thousand CDs and an iPod with about 30,000 songs on it I take almost everwhere, so I really don't care which one people prefer) but to site that awful run-on sentence that basically says people get vinyl just to be cool is pretty far from "generating reasonable discussion". Just sayin is all.
  • I could not agree more Vinyl is so pointless. I hate how the ten club gives you these holiday singles on vinyl I have never played one of them they take up space and when I'm tired of looking at them I throw them away! People try being cool by saying oh I have that on vinyl I think to myself why? When can you ever even play it?


    Buy a turntable

    drop the needle

    close you eyes

    listen

    then send me a PM thanking me

    you will be forever changed

    and the best part is you don't even need to tell anyone else about it if you think it's just to brag about how 'cool' you are for having vinyl
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  • I think it's a matter of what you are used to...I used to go to record stores when I was younger, I still refer to new pieces of music as records, i.e., did you hear the new Pearl Jam record yet? I don't say 'hey, i just got the new Metallica disc' no matter the format, I always use the term record. I think records sound significantly better and warmer than digital, digital sounds horrible to me....but it's just what I am used to...kinda like when you go into a studio and record with tape versus sitting at home and using a Mac.....sound quality is drastically different to my ears, but if it's all you listen to, or is what you've been brought up on, then that may not be the case for you.....

    'enough said.. :)


    eh...not really. ;)
    as i said, i grew up on vinyl - that's all there was at the time :oops: ....and then even when cassettes were first introduced, still bought vinyl usually and recorded tapes for the car, tho bought some tapes and i avctually still have quite a few i bought over in london. i still even own all the vinyl i ever bought, yet i no longer own a turntable. :P so while i was quite 'used to' record albums, and i STILL refer to new music as albums, sometimes records......my preference nowadays is CDs. and i still lament the dying of record stores, b/c i love the process of browsing, etc....even if i am only buying CDs. so yea....guess i simply trained myself towards my preferences.
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  • I think it's a matter of what you are used to...I used to go to record stores when I was younger, I still refer to new pieces of music as records, i.e., did you hear the new Pearl Jam record yet? I don't say 'hey, i just got the new Metallica disc' no matter the format, I always use the term record. I think records sound significantly better and warmer than digital, digital sounds horrible to me....but it's just what I am used to...kinda like when you go into a studio and record with tape versus sitting at home and using a Mac.....sound quality is drastically different to my ears, but if it's all you listen to, or is what you've been brought up on, then that may not be the case for you.....

    'enough said.. :)


    eh...not really. ;)
    as i said, i grew up on vinyl - that's all there was at the time :oops: ....and then even when cassettes were first introduced, still bought vinyl usually and recorded tapes for the car, tho bought some tapes and i avctually still have quite a few i bought over in london. i still even own all the vinyl i ever bought, yet i no longer own a turntable. :P so while i was quite 'used to' record albums, and i STILL refer to new music as albums, sometimes records......my preference nowadays is CDs. and i still lament the dying of record stores, b/c i love the process of browsing, etc....even if i am only buying CDs. so yea....guess i simply trained myself towards my preferences.


    well, there ya have it.........and, hey, I'm not trying to say I don't own a million CDs.....I just do not dig the digital, burn it yourself stuff.no ipods in my future.I understand the convenience angle, but sometimes having a good glass of something and listening to an LP is really what the doctor ordered for me........
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  • I think it's a matter of what you are used to...I used to go to record stores when I was younger, I still refer to new pieces of music as records, i.e., did you hear the new Pearl Jam record yet? I don't say 'hey, i just got the new Metallica disc' no matter the format, I always use the term record. I think records sound significantly better and warmer than digital, digital sounds horrible to me....but it's just what I am used to...kinda like when you go into a studio and record with tape versus sitting at home and using a Mac.....sound quality is drastically different to my ears, but if it's all you listen to, or is what you've been brought up on, then that may not be the case for you.....

    'enough said.. :)


    eh...not really. ;)
    as i said, i grew up on vinyl - that's all there was at the time :oops: ....and then even when cassettes were first introduced, still bought vinyl usually and recorded tapes for the car, tho bought some tapes and i avctually still have quite a few i bought over in london. i still even own all the vinyl i ever bought, yet i no longer own a turntable. :P so while i was quite 'used to' record albums, and i STILL refer to new music as albums, sometimes records......my preference nowadays is CDs. and i still lament the dying of record stores, b/c i love the process of browsing, etc....even if i am only buying CDs. so yea....guess i simply trained myself towards my preferences.


    well, there ya have it.........and, hey, I'm not trying to say I don't own a million CDs.....I just do not dig the digital, burn it yourself stuff.no ipods in my future.I understand the convenience angle, but sometimes having a good glass of something and listening to an LP is really what the doctor ordered for me........


    hey i totally respect that. 8-)
    and i totally enjoy a good glass of something, candles in the dark.....and pearl jam blasting on the stereo. i just normally throw in a bunch of CDs into the changer rather than a record. we all have our rituals. ;)


    also, at this point in my life...just different priorities for me. our sound system is geared a lot more heavily towards watching films rather than just listening to music....and space is also an issue. i literally do not have roon in our set-up to re-embrace a turntable, my husband has zero interest in vinyl (and he's a musician!)...so for us, it's all the convenience of it. besides, it's been oh-so-long since i last listened to an album on vinyl, that you don't much miss that which you don't much remember. :D
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  • S.O. wrote:
    DS114969 wrote:
    S.O. wrote:
    Others touched on this already, but I dig the subject so please forgive the long post. It's not really the difference between records vs. CDs, it's the difference between analog vs. digital recording. A digital mastering will never sound better than a quality analog recording because it's essentially breaking true sound into bits/bytes. You're losing sound. That why a good analog recording played on an analog medium (needle to groove) is the truest sound you'll ever hear. Listen to your Hendrix CDs, then play the exact same songs on an old record and tell me you don't hear more. I've always made the argument that buying new records is pointless - if you're arguing for better sound - since analog recording doesn't take place in the states anymore. Unless you're going for the aesthetics (which is another cool part of records) you may as well buy it on CD. I don't buy new music on vinyl, but am a regular at garage sales and used record shops building my record collection. Vinyl/analog = the best it's ever been. CDs/digital = one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the consumer. MP3 and other digital files = unfortunate to say the least.


    I thought I had read that some PJ records were mastered differently (specifically for vinyl) Is this true?

    I'm honestly not sure. But, I think they are recorded digitally now because there aren't analog studio still in business in America which, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of owning vinyl. To speak to the other post about compression, I completely agree. That's why digitally remastering something, technically, is a fancy way to say we're taking an old recording and eliminating some of the sound just to make it cleaner. I don't agree, however, that you won't get a better sound by dusting off your dad's old Zeppelin records. There are CDs I grew up on that I feel I never really "heard" until I acquired them on vinyl - most of the time old, dusty, basement copies. An analog recording played on an analog medium can't be improved upon digitally.

    I also don't know how PJ is mastering or recording their records now, but I do know that analog studios still exist, plus PJ is rich, they can have whatever they want. And doesn't Stone own a recording studio? I'd imagine they have access to the gear if they want it. The reason for the decline is that tape is expensive, Pro Tools, by comparison, is dirt cheap.
    Supposedly some bands record to digital, then when they have their finished product, they dupe it to analog tape to warm up the sound. They don't waste money doing take after take on reel after reel of tape, but get some of the benefit, though not all of it, of analog recording.
  • Yellow BedwetterYellow Bedwetter NYC Posts: 2,832
    i use my vinyl player more than my iPod...how many of you can say that

    1. car radio/cd changer
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  • JaneNY wrote:
    I could not agree more Vinyl is so pointless. I hate how the ten club gives you these holiday singles on vinyl I have never played one of them they take up space and when I'm tired of looking at them I throw them away! People try being cool by saying oh I have that on vinyl I think to myself why? When can you ever even play it?

    You can play them if you have a record player, dummy. :roll:

    He was trying to generate some reasonable discussion and that's the only comment you got? Name calling too - nice.

    I saw Cincybearcat's post and that's pretty much my situation - I know vinyl's got its points for the hardcore connoisseur, and I know Library of Congress uses it to store music, but like Cincy, my music listening is mainly in the car, when working at my computer or working at my fitness center. Its kind of the difference between being satisfied with a Toyota (moi) or feeling you need a Mercedes because of the quality of the engine - the difference is there but for every day use it isn't going to be that significant for most people.

    I think you make a very good point. I'm really disappointed that the sound quality of the music most people listen to has degraded over the years, but really, if we think about how and when we most often listen to music, sound quality isn't a big deal. Car stereo? Unless you're lucky or wealthy, chances are, you've got crappy speakers in your car. Radio? Well, if you happen to like the radio, its not the best sound quality. Cheap boombox? Crappy sound. Computer speakers? Crappy. As I type, I'm listening to the Rolling Stones on crappy computer speakers. Better to listen to music as much as possible rather than worry about the acoustics.

    But how about bands that now put out vinyl records with a free download code so you can put the record on your computer with relative ease after you've bought the vinyl?
    I think this is a great idea, because you have the benefit of the physical album art, the OPTION to listen to it in high quality analog, but also the convenience of digital.
  • i run a Pioneer PL-12 belt-drive manual turntable with a Shure V 15 type IV cartridge (<
    GREAT sounding cartridge/stylus) through a Pioneer SX-737 stereo receiver. All this hooked up to two three foot tall Pioneer CS-M551 floor speakers.

    PL-12 turntable - $75
    Shure V 15 cartridge - free (took it off an old non-functioning turntable a friend gave me)
    sx-737 receiver - $40
    Speakers - $100

    not an elite setup nor is it amateurish, but it does get the job done and sounds amazing! :D and this was not expensive or hard to come by. anybody can get a basic setup like this.

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  • S.O. wrote:
    since analog recording doesn't take place in the states anymore.

    This is not true. Maybe it is the case with the big labels, but I am 15 min. away from 3 studios that offer both analog and digital recording, and that is in Kansas City. I am sure the bigger cities offer this if KC does.
  • S.O. wrote:
    since analog recording doesn't take place in the states anymore.

    This is not true. Maybe it is the case with the big labels, but I am 15 min. away from 3 studios that offer both analog and digital recording, and that is in Kansas City. I am sure the bigger cities offer this if KC does.

    they do analog recording virtually everywhere, I think where this guy was confused is from the fact that the industry no longer creates physical analog tape to buy at mass volume.
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  • S.O. wrote:
    since analog recording doesn't take place in the states anymore.

    This is not true. Maybe it is the case with the big labels, but I am 15 min. away from 3 studios that offer both analog and digital recording, and that is in Kansas City. I am sure the bigger cities offer this if KC does.

    they do analog recording virtually everywhere, I think where this guy was confused is from the fact that the industry no longer creates physical analog tape to buy at mass volume.

    Sorry guys...this is more or less what I meant. I was speaking in very general terms to the fact that, from a cost perspective, analog recording is no longer the standard. Thanks for the clarification. I did find this relevant article. http://idolator.com/373114/why-buy-digi ... s-on-vinyl
  • S.O. wrote:

    Thanks for the article. It didn't necessarily clarify any of the confusion here, but it was still interesting to read. From everything that's been said, new recordings aren't going to sound a whole hell of a lot better on vinyl than they do on CD.

    Quick question. When was it that the move away from analog recording began? I'm just trying to figure out around what time the "new" vinyl would have stopped being as superior.
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    Thanks for the article. It didn't necessarily clarify any of the confusion here, but it was still interesting to read. From everything that's been said, new recordings aren't going to sound a whole hell of a lot better on vinyl than they do on CD.

    Quick question. When was it that the move away from analog recording began? I'm just trying to figure out around what time the "new" vinyl would have stopped being as superior.

    Not sure. Several years ago, however, some friends and I ran across a whole bunch of reissues of great jazz records on vinyl from labels like Blue Note. We were also confused, becuase if they had been remastered digitally, we felt there wasn't any point in buying them. We asked a local record shop owner and his claim was that after 1987 the reissues had been digitally remastered. Before that, at least on the labels we showed him, still analog masters. Personally, my vinyl buying habit tends to be music up to the mid-80s. After that I just assume it's been digitally tampered with. As has already been proven though...I'm no expert! ;)
  • S.O. wrote:
    S.O. wrote:

    Thanks for the article. It didn't necessarily clarify any of the confusion here, but it was still interesting to read. From everything that's been said, new recordings aren't going to sound a whole hell of a lot better on vinyl than they do on CD.

    Quick question. When was it that the move away from analog recording began? I'm just trying to figure out around what time the "new" vinyl would have stopped being as superior.

    Not sure. Several years ago, however, some friends and I ran across a whole bunch of reissues of great jazz records on vinyl from labels like Blue Note. We were also confused, becuase if they had been remastered digitally, we felt there wasn't any point in buying them. We asked a local record shop owner and his claim was that after 1987 the reissues had been digitally remastered. Before that, at least on the labels we showed him, still analog masters. Personally, my vinyl buying habit tends to be music up to the mid-80s. After that I just assume it's been digitally tampered with. As has already been proven though...I'm no expert! ;)

    Thanks for the response, that is helpful. I will be sure to keep all of that in mind as I work to improve my record collection. As I said in an earlier post, I have only recently started listening to vinyl, as it took me a long to to get around to buying a new stylus. So far I haven't been trying to find any vinyl from anything after about 1982, so I guess I wouldn't have run into any of the digitally remastered issues. I will be sure to keep your input in mind though.
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    I came across an Audio-Technica turntable that seems to have gotten pretty good reviews, especially for the price:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00012EYNG/ref ... B00012EYNG

    Can anyone comment on this product? It looks like it has a built-in preamp but someone still recommended getting a stereo with a phono connection. Best Buy has an insignia for about 100 bucks. After that I would just need speakers then right?
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