I know this is blasphemous around here, but

mookeywrench

TrAvELAr wrote:

The fact that the sound is richer is fuller is enough to make it worthwhile. Digital is a sampling of the analog sound. Since it's only a sampling, it's not as full.

I had a better article, but I can't find it. This one should suffice.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Vinyl-Records-Sound-Best---The-Analog-Vs-Digital-Debate&id=1358120

that's a dated argument these days since the vast majority of recordings are now sourced in digital.

joewalshdc

I think its a fair and interesting question my friend!!! I have to admit I do buy vinyl and cd's...only download as a last resort...im still a stickler for the physical item...i love a good inlay/booklet and especially love vinyl for that...however i believe your point is for listening purposes...I have to agree, for listening pleasure I listen to the cd, I will listen to vinyl once or twice but then I would have to admit its a novelty thing for me...I guess my answer is its thw "whole package" you get with vinyl...good question!!!!!

Bathgate66

like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

without records,

what hare we supposed to clean our marijuana on ?

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cincybearcat wrote:

RD171825 wrote:

csickels wrote:

Why would you want to buy music on vinyl, other than the nostalgia of it? The sound quality is poor compared to digital, and it's not as convenient to listen to. I had a hell of a time hooking up my turntable in my car.

But seriously, what am I missing?

With the right stereo setup vinyl does in fact sound better.

I'll have to take your word for it...being a husband and a father, the time I get to listen to my music of choice is in the car, on a walk/run, on an airplane for the most part. Not very Vinyl friendly. The occasional time I have at home isn't worth the investment in a nice setup and the extra album versions in vinyl.

yeah, this is my situation too. i have a turntable and decent speakers, but i haven't bothered to hook them up since i moved recently b/c i really just don't have a chance to listen to music as a primary activity when i'm in my house.

Bathgate66

like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

without records,

what are we supposed to clean our marijuana on ?

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Bathgate66 wrote:

like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

without records,

what hare we supposed to clean our marijuana on ?

yeah, but CD's come in handy for coke snorting.

Bathgate66

csickels wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

without records,

what hare we supposed to clean our marijuana on ?

yeah, but CD's come in handy for coke snorting.

coke sucks
its so 1980s .

:roll:

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kiljoythemerciful wrote:

csickels wrote:

Why would you want to buy music on vinyl, other than the nostalgia of it? The sound quality is poor compared to digital, and it's not as convenient to listen to. I had a hell of a time hooking up my turntable in my car.

But seriously, what am I missing?

Quality is never convenient. If you don't listen to music in your home, why would you be interested in a turntable set-up?

"Quality is never convenient"

That would fall under that "blatantly wrong blanket statement" category. i can think of about 1000 things off the top of my head that are both of high quality AND highly convenient.

i don't listen to music in my house b/c I really can't very often. at least not LOUD and FAST like I like to.

Brisk.

csickels wrote:

Why would you want to buy music on vinyl, other than the nostalgia of it? The sound quality is poor compared to digital, and it's not as convenient to listen to. I had a hell of a time hooking up my turntable in my car.

But seriously, what am I missing?

I wondered the exact same thing until a few days ago i listened to Badmotorfinger on vinyl and holy fucking shit, such a nice round, fat warm sound. The real thing to me is how crisp every note and instrument it, pure definition!!

I dont think anything past maybe 1998 would sound good on vinyl as everything is mastered for cds now and not for vinyl.

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Bathgate66 wrote:

csickels wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

like eddie mentioned at MSG last year,

without records,

what hare we supposed to clean our marijuana on ?

yeah, but CD's come in handy for coke snorting.

coke sucks
its so 1980s .

:roll:

it made a comeback there for a while. you're right tho, it does suck. except when you're on it.

mookeywrench

how does one listen to music FAST?

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mookeywrench wrote:

how does one listen to music FAST?

i just mean i like to turn up PJ's "rockers", ie, not the slow ones, as loud as i can legally. even when i'm wearing headphones.

cannotstaylong

csickels wrote:

yeah, this is my situation too. i have a turntable and decent speakers, but i haven't bothered to hook them up since i moved recently b/c i really just don't have a chance to listen to music as a primary activity when i'm in my house.

I was in a similar situation until a couple of months ago. I had a record player for a long time with my dad's old record collection. Great stuff, all the classics you could every want, and they were all in great condition other than a bit of dust (which we all know is easy enough to fix). The stylus on my record player was busted since the thing had been through 3 or 4 moves and hadn't been used in about 10 years. A few months ago I finally got around to ordering a stylus and I've been listening to a record or two on an almost daily basis now.

I had a similar point of view before listening to vinyl. I thought "hey, there is no way vinyl can sound better than a digitally remastered CD from the 21st century." But man, was I wrong. It truly is something that can't be appreciated until you listen to a record in good quality speakers. Everyone describes it as a warmer sound, and it really is. It seems fuller, more balanced, and really is inviting.

One of the other reasons I love vinyl so much is that it forces you to be more of an active listener. I'm always listening to music, whether I'm riding the train to work, going for a run or driving. But when I listen to vinyl it really is an event. I have to pick out the album, put it on, and sit on the couch in the living room. I find myself just listening, rather than doing something else while the music is on. And of course you have to sit there and flip the record halfway through. This amount of focus/involvement might not be for some people. But I personally love it.

To the OP, it sounds like you might not have the time/space to be able to sit down and listen to an album on your couch, and that's fine. But if you do, I suggest you give it a try. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Better Dan

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I'd like to invest in a nice turntable setup, but unfortunately it looks to be quite expensive to set up. Is there a good system I can get for around 200 - 300? I've always loved record though. Just the look/feel of them..bigger artwork/packaging etc...[/quote]


Bump. I've been interested in getting a setup for a while now but don't know where/how to get started. I would need everything (turntable, speakers, amp/preamp, receiver). Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Better Dan

DS114969 wrote:

I'd like to invest in a nice turntable setup, but unfortunately it looks to be quite expensive to set up. Is there a good system I can get for around 200 - 300? I've always loved record though. Just the look/feel of them..bigger artwork/packaging etc...

Bump. I've been interested in getting a setup for a while now but don't know where/how to get started. I would need everything (turntable, speakers, amp/preamp, receiver). Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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thanks for the replies everybody, you've all convinced me to set up my gear in the basement and do a side by side of the vinyl vs cd of Backspacer once it comes out. I already planned on buying the 10c and Target versions on CD, what's one more, right?

Evacuation Rules

csickels wrote:

Why would you want to buy music on vinyl, other than the nostalgia of it? The sound quality is poor compared to digital, and it's not as convenient to listen to. I had a hell of a time hooking up my turntable in my car.

But seriously, what am I missing?

You're missing the fact that it depends on the mastering. Vinyl sounds better when it's mastered better. Some vinyl is essential, others are worthless.

Your Camaro's hood

Others touched on this already, but I dig the subject so please forgive the long post. It's not really the difference between records vs. CDs, it's the difference between analog vs. digital recording. A digital mastering will never sound better than a quality analog recording because it's essentially breaking true sound into bits/bytes. You're losing sound. That why a good analog recording played on an analog medium (needle to groove) is the truest sound you'll ever hear. Listen to your Hendrix CDs, then play the exact same songs on an old record and tell me you don't hear more. I've always made the argument that buying new records is pointless - if you're arguing for better sound - since analog recording doesn't take place in the states anymore. Unless you're going for the aesthetics (which is another cool part of records) you may as well buy it on CD. I don't buy new music on vinyl, but am a regular at garage sales and used record shops building my record collection. Vinyl/analog = the best it's ever been. CDs/digital = one of the biggest scams ever pulled on the consumer. MP3 and other digital files = unfortunate to say the least.

mookeywrench

DS114969 wrote:

DS114969 wrote:

I'd like to invest in a nice turntable setup, but unfortunately it looks to be quite expensive to set up. Is there a good system I can get for around 200 - 300? I've always loved record though. Just the look/feel of them..bigger artwork/packaging etc...

Bump. I've been interested in getting a setup for a while now but don't know where/how to get started. I would need everything (turntable, speakers, amp/preamp, receiver). Any advice would be greatly appreciated

start with the receiver. make sure it has a phono selection and all you need is a stereo receiver, not 5.1, 7.1, or 7.2 if it has a phono selection you won't need to worry about a preamp and then can always add an amp later on if you see fit.

getting only a stereo reciever (2.0) will allow you to spend more money on the power and sound quality of the receiver rather than bells and whistles that you'll never use.

turntable invest around 300-400 on your first, get either a direct drive, or belt driven with pitch control.

also invest in a nice cartridge....shure makes quality/affordable needles

Speakers are up to you, they won't have a direct effect on how your vinyl sounds when compared to a CD.

Your Camaro's hood

mookeywrench wrote:

DS114969 wrote:

DS114969 wrote:

I'd like to invest in a nice turntable setup, but unfortunately it looks to be quite expensive to set up. Is there a good system I can get for around 200 - 300? I've always loved record though. Just the look/feel of them..bigger artwork/packaging etc...

Bump. I've been interested in getting a setup for a while now but don't know where/how to get started. I would need everything (turntable, speakers, amp/preamp, receiver). Any advice would be greatly appreciated

start with the receiver. make sure it has a phono selection and all you need is a stereo receiver, not 5.1, 7.1, or 7.2 if it has a phono selection you won't need to worry about a preamp and then can always add an amp later on if you see fit.

getting only a stereo reciever (2.0) will allow you to spend more money on the power and sound quality of the receiver rather than bells and whistles that you'll never use.

turntable invest around 300-400 on your first, get either a direct drive, or belt driven with pitch control.

also invest in a nice cartridge....shure makes quality/affordable needles

Speakers are up to you, they won't have a direct effect on how your vinyl sounds when compared to a CD.

I recommend Music Hall as a great turntable brand. Quality is excellent, price is not outrageous.