In honor of Sarah Palin stepping down...

WaveCameCrashin

Cosmo wrote:

save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car

Just so you know Cosmo I use our public transportation system (carta) and I very rarley eat fasfood so please save the personal attacks for someone else. I know it may be hard for you but please try.

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car

Just so you know Cosmo I use our public transportation system (carta) and I very rarley eat fasfood so please save the personal attacks for someone else. I know it may be hard for you but please try.

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I suppose I need to point out... that the 'YOU', I am referring to is used in a generalized sense... as in IF you happen to be one of those people who believe we should drill for oil off our coastlines or use our Strategic Oil Reserves to keep gasoline prices down so we can continue our wasteful habits, such as idling a V-8 engine in a drive thru line at any fast food restaurant because you are too fucking lazy to get out of your fucking car... then, yeah... YOU are the person I am addressing.
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That being cleared... how do you reconcile Mrs. Palin's viewpoints? Awesome beauty of God's creation and the exploitation of that landscape for it's resources? You can only have one or the other, because you can't have both.

g under p

prfctlefts wrote:

This is for gimmesometruth http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/08/palin-fends-off-all-ethics-charges-brought-since-0/

and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.

Why is it unnecessary when you bring and expose your children into the media spotlight for what ever reason you can end up with what happened to the Palins. As much as I like her, It was her own fault cause the media will expose her for what she really is a victimized QUITTER.

Peace

justam

So, she's leaving her job as governor so she can put herself into the public eye.

And, yet, how is she going to disguise the facts? She's leaving office early because she did the job so poorly. She is leaving the job undone because, frankly, she doesn't really care about the people of Alaska as much as her ambitions. And, she is under investigation for crimes or mis-use of public funds at the very least!!

How exactly does she think this episode is going to help her desire to pursue a bigger political office?!! :shock:

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

This is for gimmesometruth http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/08/palin-fends-off-all-ethics-charges-brought-since-0/

and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.

here ya go dude....since you can't research things on your own...these are the first few sites that came up when i searched "sarah palin ethics violations"...it was very simple and took all of 20 seconds...btw, no wiki links here....and no blogs...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8143609&page=1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2 ... 92044.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCozfwp0 ... re=related

just to list a few....more to follow....

by the way i did not call you a republican. you are a conservative based on your posts and your narrow world view. if you read my post i said "YOUR SIDE" not "YOUR PARTY". i take great care with my posting and pay attention to detail so i knew from other threads that you were not a republican. and whether you like it or not, people with your world view are self-righteous. an example of this is when you say you use public transport yet you are concerned about gas prices and tell everyone that you want drilling in alaska. that makes absolutely no sense. how can you reconcile those statements? it makes no sense if you step back and read your posts.

if you were not going to vote for her then why are your undies in a wad over her? at this point i think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. like i have said before, pearl jam is a left leaning band and most of their fans are left leaning. you might want to reconsider bringing this "sympathy for palin" stuff here when you know you have no chance of changing anybody's opinions of her.

WaveCameCrashin

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.

wolfbear

blackredyellow wrote:

Great cartoon!

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :?..

Didn't he say that they were just the first few links that popped up? The narrow minded comment made chuckle. Gimmesometruth27, is easily one of the most fair and reasonable posters here. In this thread alone, he has been loudly applauded for his thoughts and deliverance by numerous members. I believe someone even mentioned post of the year.

prfctlefts wrote:

and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about..

Palin governed what is probably the last great wilderness in the western world, and she wanted to screw it over for the last few drops of oil, and you don't see what all the fuss is about?

prfctlefts wrote:

Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.

I'm curious as to why you say that. Is it because they are both female and you think they should be treated differently? :?

And i'm sorry, but you're wrong. It has everything to do with politics. Ask yourself this. Has Sarah Palin been honest, open with, and respectful, of the American public? The answer is no. The privilege and opportunity on the national stage was hers for the taking. She made a choice to put her and her family up there but she was waaaay out of her league. She absolutely should have been able to handle close scrutiny, but she couldn't. She tried to portray herself as this know it all person, and she just couldn't admit when she had no clue. Can you remember back to when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine, or when Couric asked her about supreme court decisions she disagrees with? She became a fake, a laughing stock and a joke in the media when she gave those absolutely freaking ridiculous answers. Remember what happened to that Miss South Carolina in theTeen USA pagent when she answered the question about the map? That is exactly what came to my mind when i heard Palin in the Couric interviews.

Nearly everytime she opened her mouth it was SNL time. It's not the medias fault that she screwed up so constantly. What do you expect us to do. Go awwww, it's ok Sarah? Remember, this was a woman who could one day have been the freakin president of the US, if something had happened to McCain.

Gimmesometruth27 and Cosmo had some really good points in their posts, so i'm not gonna repeat and go over things they have already said, but c'mon prfectlefts, you think she was harsly treated? If she couldn't handle the press and the concerns of the public, how the hell do you think she would have ever handled putin and ahmedinijad or anything else that might one day require our president to think quick and respond?

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can possibly take her seriously. Even the Ewoks wouldn't like her.

tybird

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.

According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.

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Just to get this back on track...
You don't feel that the criticism of Sarah Palin (or Hillary Clinton) is justified... that attacks on their personal lives should not be brought into debate. Which is fine.
But, I, personally, feel that when a Sarah Palin or a Hillary Clinton places themselves into the spotlight by running for political office... and becoming a Public figure and a person in a leadership position with authority over everyone else... they MUST be placed under scrutiny by the public. These political leaders make decision that impact our lives... whether it's drafting legislation, passing tax bills or declaring war. We WANT to know the character of their make-up because THEY decide what happens to US.
When a Sarah Palin trots our her family all dressed up as the model family... she brings them into the political arena. I don't know if it was her idea or the Republican Party's idea or the John McCain Campaign's idea to drag them in... it doesn't matter. They got dragged into the spotlight and had to endure the exposure to it.
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As for the Alaskan drilling... it really doesn't matter how you or I feel about drilling or not drilling in the wilderness.
BUT, Sarah Palin... as Governor of Alaska wields alot of the power in that decision. That is WHY i (and many others) question her opposite views on the beauty of the landscape vs. the exploitation of the landscape for its resources. You get to only pick one or the other... you cannot have both. So, we ask Sarah... which will it be? And she says, 'Both'.
We don't want someone with those kinds of unrealistic answers as part of our leadership.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

tybird wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.

According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....

dont compare oil wells to strip mines. there are oil wells all around here, but they barely affect the woods at all. its built on a tiny spot of land (about what a neighborhood house fits on) with a poorly maiantained gravel road attached. hardly an environmental disaster.

you could easily drill in the Alaskan wilderness, and it would barely have an effect on the woods at all. assuming its done responsibly.

tybird

MrSmith wrote:

tybird wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.

According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....

dont compare oil wells to strip mines. there are oil wells all around here, but they barely affect the woods at all. its built on a tiny spot of land (about what a neighborhood house fits on) with a poorly maiantained gravel road attached. hardly an environmental disaster.

you could easily drill in the Alaskan wilderness, and it would barely have an effect on the woods at all. assuming its done responsibly.

Sure...whatever you say :roll:....your last sentence is the most important one in your post....rarely is that done.

g under p

It appears Sarah Palin is not only a quitter but also a noshow as well.

For a while, it appeared as if Sarah Palin's coming out party as a non-governor, freelance Republican crusader was going to be an August 8 speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. That was a logical move for her. If there is a base for Palin, it's Reagan worshipers. These people tend to appreciate politicians who position themselves as freedom-luvin' promoters of good ol' American rugged individualism and who are eager to stick it to those over-educated Eastern establishment elites. Palin at the Reagan Library -- what could be better packaging for her?

Well, it's not to be. As Politico reports, she's skipping this gig. A spokesperson explains on Palin's Facebook page:

As repeatedly stated to several in the media over the last week, former Governor Sarah Palin is not committed to attend the Simi Valley Republican Women's event at the Reagan Library and in fact is not attending the event. Neither the Governor's state staff nor SarahPAC has ever committed to attending this event or speaking at this event, and even requested that the Governor's name be removed from the invitation several weeks ago. The Governor has other work and commitments to take care of at that time. She looks forward to visiting her friends in California soon.

A miscommunication with the Republican ladies of California? Perhaps. But a similar episode occurred several weeks ago. Palin was booked to be the keynote speaker at a big GOP fundraiser in Washington. Then she wasn't. Then there was a dust-up over that. Then she showed up but didn't speak.

ANOTHER SARAH PALIN SWITCHAROO?

Peace

WaveCameCrashin

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838912.html

10 dismissed
3 rejected
1 she paid or was found guilty however you want to look at it
3 are still pending

Alaskan law mandates that ethics grievance's remain confidential unless a public accusation is filed or the accused person agrees in writing to make it public. However,most complainants have ignored this requirement and have publicly discussed their grievance's without any legal consequences

why is confidentiality so important ? so the process does not become a forum for partisan attacks,headline seekers,and disgruntled wing-nuts

It seems like everyday there's another ethics charge filed against Palin. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Or does that only apply if you tow the same party line ?

she's a conservative, she's Pro-Life, and she's attractive and IMO that's why liberals can't stand her

g under p

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838912.html

10 dismissed
3 rejected
1 she paid or was found guilty however you want to look at it
3 are still pending

Alaskan law mandates that ethics grievance's remain confidential unless a public accusation is filed or the accused person agrees in writing to make it public. However,most complainants have ignored this requirement and have publicly discussed their grievance's without any legal consequences

why is confidentiality so important ? so the process does not become a forum for partisan attacks,headline seekers,and disgruntled wing-nuts

It seems like everyday there's another ethics charge filed against Palin. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Or does that only apply if you tow the same party line ?

she's a conservative, she's Pro-Life, and she's attractive and IMO that's why liberals can't stand her

I like her but you forgot besides a quitter, a no-show to Republican speaking events. At this point she needs all the friends she can gather especially in her own party.

Peace

WaveCameCrashin

Well as far as her stepping down or quiting . I cant imagine what it would be like to be accused and ridiculed day in and day out by the media and all the other haters. Honestly I can't say that I blame her. Does it look bad ? Yeah sure it does but when is enough enough ? Put yourself in her shoes what wold you do.
None of us know until you actually go through something like that. so many of us are to quick to judge these days

g under p

prfctlefts wrote:

Well as far as her stepping down or quiting . I cant imagine what it would be like to be accused and ridiculed day in and day out by the media and all the other haters. Honestly I can't say that I blame her. Does it look bad ? Yeah sure it does but when is enough enough ? Put yourself in her shoes what wold you do.
None of us know until you actually go through something like that. so many of us are to quick to judge these days

Well, Somehow you seem to have been in her shoes and know what she's been through. If I was in her shoes I would NOT have stepped down from the job, IF my intention was to continue to run for public office. Now that she has stepped down she should quietly step into oblivion with her family into the Alaskan wild.

Look like many people here have said about Sarah Palin she gladly accepted the job of running for VP but with that job comes scrutiny of the potential position. Every detail of your life is under the *Eagle Eye* she has now chosen to leave for her own reasons with the media now she should stay out of the limelight she supposedly dislikes.

Somehow I don't think she ever will.

Peace

weenie

Whenever someone gets mauled by the press and media in general, I always think back to the person I admired the most when the world was coming down around her.....that's Hillary Clinton. When Bill got caught with his pants down, literally, she held her head up and acted with class. She didn't go off on the media criticizing all the minutia (sp?) the world was investigating and digging up about their lives.

Like her or not, she dealt with all of that pretty well and just look at her now. She could have just faded into the background, humiliated and weakened from the fight, but she didn't. She's no quitter.

I personally feel that what she and her family went through was far more humiliating and disturbing than anything Sarah Palin has faced.

Your opinion of Hillary as a politician and leader is irrelevant. As a person under public scrutiny, she handled herself with class and distinction and never gave up.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.

i told you those links were the first few that popped up. i had about 5 minutes worth of time when i posted that and i was going to look more into it the next day. at least i tried to do a little digging to back up my position. it does not matter what dates were on the links. what matters is allegations were made. usually, in all politics, where there is smoke there is fire. if a politician starts stepping on toes they are going to make political enemies which is clearly what the palin family has done.

i am not trying to attack you or hurt your feelings in any way, but from what you have posted on these forums you do have a narrow world view. in all the weeks i have been debating you everything is either black or white, good or evil, right or wrong. there are shades of gray in everything, but either you fail to see it or fail to recognize it. not to compare you with bush or palin, but as an example, this is why they were so laughed at. they both have a forrest gump oversimplistic way of looking at things. "you are either with us or against us", "you betcha" "terrorists are evildoers", etc. these statements were made without any acknowledgement that we might have done something to piss these people off or provoke them or that there are other variables involved. if i am so narrow minded then why did so many people agree with me? why did they defend me and why did some of them even speak for me? are they narrow minded as well? i guess you would have more backing if jlew or brmlaw and pearl jain were still coming around here.

i never said you had to think a ceratin way or tow a party line. where did i EVER say that to you? all i ever said was pearl jam is a left leaning band as are most of their fans. there are a lot of very intelligent people posting on this forum. many of them are very switched on to politics and current events and what is actually going on, not just what our talking heads tell us. do not be so upset when the majority of them disagree with you. i also said that i would re-consider bringing this "sympathy for palin" garbage around here because you are not going to change anybody's minds or persuade anyone to change their opinion of her. but whatever man, post what you want. its a free board.

lastly, you said it has nothing to do with politics. it has EVERYTHING to do with politics. the difference here is they attacked hillary because of her husband, way before she ran for any national office. the media attacked palin for things of her own doing WHILE IN OFFICE.. MAJOR MAJOR difference here. hillary never claimed to be of the perfect family and never portrayed herself as the all american mom and professional. palin did and it was all smoke and mirrors and soon that illusion was seen for what it was, pure political grandstanding.

gimmesometruth27

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :?..

Didn't he say that they were just the first few links that popped up? The narrow minded comment made chuckle. Gimmesometruth27, is easily one of the most fair and reasonable posters here. In this thread alone, he has been loudly applauded for his thoughts and deliverance by numerous members. I believe someone even mentioned post of the year.

prfctlefts wrote:

and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about..

Palin governed what is probably the last great wilderness in the western world, and she wanted to screw it over for the last few drops of oil, and you don't see what all the fuss is about?

prfctlefts wrote:

Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.

I'm curious as to why you say that. Is it because they are both female and you think they should be treated differently? :?

And i'm sorry, but you're wrong. It has everything to do with politics. Ask yourself this. Has Sarah Palin been honest, open with, and respectful, of the American public? The answer is no. The privilege and opportunity on the national stage was hers for the taking. She made a choice to put her and her family up there but she was waaaay out of her league. She absolutely should have been able to handle close scrutiny, but she couldn't. She tried to portray herself as this know it all person, and she just couldn't admit when she had no clue. Can you remember back to when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine, or when Couric asked her about supreme court decisions she disagrees with? She became a fake, a laughing stock and a joke in the media when she gave those absolutely freaking ridiculous answers. Remember what happened to that Miss South Carolina in theTeen USA pagent when she answered the question about the map? That is exactly what came to my mind when i heard Palin in the Couric interviews.

Nearly everytime she opened her mouth it was SNL time. It's not the medias fault that she screwed up so constantly. What do you expect us to do. Go awwww, it's ok Sarah? Remember, this was a woman who could one day have been the freakin president of the US, if something had happened to McCain.

Gimmesometruth27 and Cosmo had some really good points in their posts, so i'm not gonna repeat and go over things they have already said, but c'mon prfectlefts, you think she was harsly treated? If she couldn't handle the press and the concerns of the public, how the hell do you think she would have ever handled putin and ahmedinijad or anything else that might one day require our president to think quick and respond?

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can possibly take her seriously. Even the Ewoks wouldn't like her.

remember when couric asked her what newspapers she reads? she said "all of them" lol
she could not name ONE newspaper. all she had to think in her head was the chants that her crowds chanted to her at rallies "USA USA USA" and said "Oh yeah, USA Today!"

haha she is totally ms south carolina. "we are going to help the south africa and the iraq"

ewoks lol, her speeches remind me of jar jar binks.........