refresh my memory again, why is alaska so hard to govern now? how does its population compare to states like texas and california again?
she is a complete tool. i hate her because she makes mistakes and breaks the law and then blames the media for reporting it when she gets caught. that is a public office she held before she quit and she is accountable to that public. it is the public's right to know these things.
hey sarah barracuda, a few words of advice...if you do not want to be scrutinized, do not have a public life and do not be so ambitious. and do not use your kids as a campaign tool and example of how abstinence only education works when your own daughter gets knocked up.
if i am a bad person for not supporting or buying into the words of a hypocrate then what kind of a person does it make those that do?
I really feel sorry for peoplle like you, Please tell me what laws she has broken Do you hate everybody that makes mistakes, You must really Hate yourself then,unless you're perfect.
Yeah I agree anyone who runs for office should be scrutinized, but not the treatment that she and her family have gotten.And I strongly disagree with you on her using her kids as campaign tools. So what she should have just left her kids at home :roll: Yeah I can see that now. The media and people like you would have accused her of child neglect or some kind of other B.S. So how many parents out there have been outspoken about something like drugs for example and their own kid is getting high ? Maybe Joe Biden and his daughter.. OOPS forgot about that.
you feel sorry for people like me? why is that? because i can sift through people's BS when they say it? because i think with my brain and do my own research instead of doing what some political party tells me i should do or think? i should not have to tell you the laws she has broken, or been accused of breaking. they are a matter of public record so look it up if you want to know. she cited her legal defense bills as one of the reasons she left office early. if she has done nothing wrong then why are there so many ethics complaints against her? please answer me that one. surely it is not because she is so perfect that they have to try to dig something up on her to sabotage her career.. she has used campaign funds for clothes and travel expenses for one, which is not legal. she is also using money from her PAC for legal defense, which is also illegal. its funny how you call these ethics violations "mistakes". i am sure that any politician is adept enough at keeping themselves from getting caught redhanded then innocently claim a "mistake" or "oversight" when it is clearly an abuse of power. by the way, i am not perfect and i have never claimed to be. i make mistakes every day. another thing i am not is self-righteous, which so many people on your side are. sarah palin is one of the worst of them as well.
her family got alot of abuse, but every single bit or it was deserved and brought on by herself. she COMPLETELY used her kids as campaign tools. baby trig, "the special needs one", track the all american boy who was going to fight in the war, and bristol the willing teenage mom who "chose" to have her baby. give me a fucking break. it was a cold calculation to play to the women that could relate to her as a mother and a profesional, and a cold calculation to play on the "patriotism factor" but all of that was forgotten when she opened her mouth and everyone realized she was full of shit. you know me so well.... :roll: i would not have accused her of child neglect, i might have respected her for keeping her kids out of the spotlight. but when you are an opportunistic little slug trying to advance your political career like she was i can see why she might want to pull out all of the stops and expose her kids to that abuse.
the problem with your analogy about the antidrug speaker and the stoner kid is completely off base here. it is expected that that might be a possibility when that person speaks. what is not acceptable is when someone campaigning to be vice president, who should be held to a higher standard than an anti drug crusader, tells me how to live my life when she can't even convince her own daughter that sex and being a teenage mom is bad. get your own family's shit in line then try to talk to me.
DAMN, just about nailed it right there and I like Sarah Palin but just NOT governing my state or country.
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you feel sorry for people like me? why is that? because i can sift through people's BS when they say it? because i think with my brain and do my own research instead of doing what some political party tells me i should do or think? i should not have to tell you the laws she has broken, or been accused of breaking. they are a matter of public record so look it up if you want to know. she cited her legal defense bills as one of the reasons she left office early. if she has done nothing wrong then why are there so many ethics complaints against her? please answer me that one. surely it is not because she is so perfect that they have to try to dig something up on her to sabotage her career.. she has used campaign funds for clothes and travel expenses for one, which is not legal. she is also using money from her PAC for legal defense, which is also illegal. its funny how you call these ethics violations "mistakes". i am sure that any politician is adept enough at keeping themselves from getting caught redhanded then innocently claim a "mistake" or "oversight" when it is clearly an abuse of power. by the way, i am not perfect and i have never claimed to be. i make mistakes every day. another thing i am not is self-righteous, which so many people on your side are. sarah palin is one of the worst of them as well.
her family got alot of abuse, but every single bit or it was deserved and brought on by herself. she COMPLETELY used her kids as campaign tools. baby trig, "the special needs one", track the all american boy who was going to fight in the war, and bristol the willing teenage mom who "chose" to have her baby. give me a fucking break. it was a cold calculation to play to the women that could relate to her as a mother and a profesional, and a cold calculation to play on the "patriotism factor" but all of that was forgotten when she opened her mouth and everyone realized she was full of shit. you know me so well.... :roll: i would not have accused her of child neglect, i might have respected her for keeping her kids out of the spotlight. but when you are an opportunistic little slug trying to advance your political career like she was i can see why she might want to pull out all of the stops and expose her kids to that abuse.
the problem with your analogy about the antidrug speaker and the stoner kid is completely off base here. it is expected that that might be a possibility when that person speaks. what is not acceptable is when someone campaigning to be vice president, who should be held to a higher standard than an anti drug crusader, tells me how to live my life when she can't even convince her own daughter that sex and being a teenage mom is bad. get your own family's shit in line then try to talk to me.
"opportunistic little slug" brought a tear to my eye, man...beautiful
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Based on posts I've seen from you over the years, yeah, I'm talking about you along with others I see regular posts from on the board.
Thank you... :shock: :oops: :P :twisted:
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The problem with Sarah Palin was... she was on a major party ticket for the second highest office in this land. A person seeking such a powerful seat NEEDS to be scrutinized as a person... specifically, their character and judgement skill and flaws because a lot of people will be affected by that person's decisions.
Now... regarding Palin's Family...
Sarah Palin brought them into this when she tried to portray the Palin household as a model All-american Family. Whether this was Palin's strategy or the Republican Party's strategy... we do not know. BUT... that was how the Palin's were introduced to us. Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?
And just read the speech.... in full context. Palin talks about how she gave back Government money to Alaskans as part of a rebate for energy taxes.. then, says she denied accepting Government stimulus money to help the citizens of Alaska. She goes on about the natural beauty of Alaska... the awesome beauty of God's work (which she is absolutely correct in her assessment)... yet, she wants to drill in that wilderness. How do people... Palin supporters reconcile those blatantly hypocritical lines of thinking?
And she goes on and on about being a fighter (a so-called 'barracuda' or 'pit-bull' during her campaign)... but what is she DOING? She is QUITTING!!! What do you call someone who QUITS something? A FIGHTER??? NO!!! A QUITTER!!!
THAT is what people have against Sarah Palin. If she were just some hockey mom insurance adjuster for Allstate... no problem. but, when her aspirations are to become a leader of a State or our Nation... We, the people who will be subjected to this person's decisions, have to decide whether or not we want this person to lead us.
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That being said... to Palin supporters... what are the reasons why you support Sarah Palin as a political leader?
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and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.
The problem with Sarah Palin was... she was on a major party ticket for the second highest office in this land. A person seeking such a powerful seat NEEDS to be scrutinized as a person... specifically, their character and judgement skill and flaws because a lot of people will be affected by that person's decisions.
Now... regarding Palin's Family...
Sarah Palin brought them into this when she tried to portray the Palin household as a model All-american Family. Whether this was Palin's strategy or the Republican Party's strategy... we do not know. BUT... that was how the Palin's were introduced to us. Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?
And just read the speech.... in full context. Palin talks about how she gave back Government money to Alaskans as part of a rebate for energy taxes.. then, says she denied accepting Government stimulus money to help the citizens of Alaska. She goes on about the natural beauty of Alaska... the awesome beauty of God's work (which she is absolutely correct in her assessment)... yet, she wants to drill in that wilderness. How do people... Palin supporters reconcile those blatantly hypocritical lines of thinking?
And she goes on and on about being a fighter (a so-called 'barracuda' or 'pit-bull' during her campaign)... but what is she DOING? She is QUITTING!!! What do you call someone who QUITS something? A FIGHTER??? NO!!! A QUITTER!!!
THAT is what people have against Sarah Palin. If she were just some hockey mom insurance adjuster for Allstate... no problem. but, when her aspirations are to become a leader of a State or our Nation... We, the people who will be subjected to this person's decisions, have to decide whether or not we want this person to lead us.
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That being said... to Palin supporters... what are the reasons why you support Sarah Palin as a political leader?
As far as her wanting to drill in alaska I don't see what the big deal is .. I mean hell we already have a major pipeline running through there. I have never understood people that bitch and fucking moan about gas prices but the second we start to consider Anwar people start freaking out like the whole damn state is going to be over run with oil rigs. :roll:
alin talks about how she gave back Government money to Alaskans as part of a rebate for energy taxes.. then, says she denied accepting Government stimulus money to help the citizens of Alaska. She goes on about t
The money she gave back to the people of Alaska came from the Oil companies. That has nothing to do with Government Stimulus.
The problem with Sarah Palin was... she was on a major party ticket for the second highest office in this land. A person seeking such a powerful seat NEEDS to be scrutinized as a person... specifically, their character and judgement skill and flaws because a lot of people will be affected by that person's decisions.
I agree but her family should have been off limits. Think about it... We didn't hear one damn thing about Obama's kids. God forbid
As far as her wanting to drill in alaska I don't see what the big deal is .. I mean hell we already have a major pipeline running through there. I have never understood people that bitch and fucking moan about gas prices but the second we start to consider Anwar people start freaking out like the whole damn state is going to be over run with oil rigs. :roll:
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Nothing to do with gas prices (ROLLS FUCKING EYES). Everything to do with gushing over the natural beauty of the Wilds of Alaska from one side of your mouth... and wanting to exploit those same landscapes from the other.
Also... the oil reserves are Strategic Oil Reserves that are to be tapped in case we go to a big war.. with a China... there will be a power grab for the Middle East because of it's resources. It would be much easier to tap resources withing our grasp, than one that is on the other side of the planet.
Jets and tanks run on oil. The Strategic Oil Reserves are to save the nation, if case of a large scale conventional war... not just to save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car.
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I agree but her family should have been off limits. Think about it... We didn't hear one damn thing about Obama's kids. God forbid
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It was the Palin's that dragged their kids into the fray. They show themselves off as this model of Middle America... wholesome, religious, moral, patriotic, etc... and her views on public educaton and especially, the 'Abstinence Only' sex education. Apparently, it didn't work within her own family... why should anyone else in this country follow and obviously flawed way of thinking? Then, to try to spin it into this abortion thing and how strong Bristol was for deciding to keep her child and marry her boyfriend... which was obvious to even the casual observer that this was a shotgun wedding at best. Yes.. it was probably Bristol's decision.. i don't know. But, I have strong suspecions that there was heavy handed coersion involved by the Palin parents and the Republican National Party.
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And the Obama girls WOULD have been in the media crap... IF the Obama's dragged them into the spotlight as little angels... only to discover that one of them is a chronic fire-bug that tormented small animals. The Obama girls were presented as nothing more than little girls.
The Palin's would have been better served had they presented themselves as every other American family... imperfect, dysfunctional and flawed. THAT is closer to the reality of Middle America.
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save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car
Just so you know Cosmo I use our public transportation system (carta) and I very rarley eat fasfood so please save the personal attacks for someone else. I know it may be hard for you but please try.
save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car
Just so you know Cosmo I use our public transportation system (carta) and I very rarley eat fasfood so please save the personal attacks for someone else. I know it may be hard for you but please try.
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I suppose I need to point out... that the 'YOU', I am referring to is used in a generalized sense... as in IF you happen to be one of those people who believe we should drill for oil off our coastlines or use our Strategic Oil Reserves to keep gasoline prices down so we can continue our wasteful habits, such as idling a V-8 engine in a drive thru line at any fast food restaurant because you are too fucking lazy to get out of your fucking car... then, yeah... YOU are the person I am addressing.
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That being cleared... how do you reconcile Mrs. Palin's viewpoints? Awesome beauty of God's creation and the exploitation of that landscape for it's resources? You can only have one or the other, because you can't have both.
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and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.
Why is it unnecessary when you bring and expose your children into the media spotlight for what ever reason you can end up with what happened to the Palins. As much as I like her, It was her own fault cause the media will expose her for what she really is a victimized QUITTER.
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So, she's leaving her job as governor so she can put herself into the public eye.
And, yet, how is she going to disguise the facts? She's leaving office early because she did the job so poorly. She is leaving the job undone because, frankly, she doesn't really care about the people of Alaska as much as her ambitions. And, she is under investigation for crimes or mis-use of public funds at the very least!!
How exactly does she think this episode is going to help her desire to pursue a bigger political office?!! :shock:
and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.
here ya go dude....since you can't research things on your own...these are the first few sites that came up when i searched "sarah palin ethics violations"...it was very simple and took all of 20 seconds...btw, no wiki links here....and no blogs...
by the way i did not call you a republican. you are a conservative based on your posts and your narrow world view. if you read my post i said "YOUR SIDE" not "YOUR PARTY". i take great care with my posting and pay attention to detail so i knew from other threads that you were not a republican. and whether you like it or not, people with your world view are self-righteous. an example of this is when you say you use public transport yet you are concerned about gas prices and tell everyone that you want drilling in alaska. that makes absolutely no sense. how can you reconcile those statements? it makes no sense if you step back and read your posts.
if you were not going to vote for her then why are your undies in a wad over her? at this point i think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. like i have said before, pearl jam is a left leaning band and most of their fans are left leaning. you might want to reconsider bringing this "sympathy for palin" stuff here when you know you have no chance of changing anybody's opinions of her.
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Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
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Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :?..
Didn't he say that they were just the first few links that popped up? The narrow minded comment made chuckle. Gimmesometruth27, is easily one of the most fair and reasonable posters here. In this thread alone, he has been loudly applauded for his thoughts and deliverance by numerous members. I believe someone even mentioned post of the year.
and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about..
Palin governed what is probably the last great wilderness in the western world, and she wanted to screw it over for the last few drops of oil, and you don't see what all the fuss is about?
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
I'm curious as to why you say that. Is it because they are both female and you think they should be treated differently? :?
And i'm sorry, but you're wrong. It has everything to do with politics. Ask yourself this. Has Sarah Palin been honest, open with, and respectful, of the American public? The answer is no. The privilege and opportunity on the national stage was hers for the taking. She made a choice to put her and her family up there but she was waaaay out of her league. She absolutely should have been able to handle close scrutiny, but she couldn't. She tried to portray herself as this know it all person, and she just couldn't admit when she had no clue. Can you remember back to when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine, or when Couric asked her about supreme court decisions she disagrees with? She became a fake, a laughing stock and a joke in the media when she gave those absolutely freaking ridiculous answers. Remember what happened to that Miss South Carolina in theTeen USA pagent when she answered the question about the map? That is exactly what came to my mind when i heard Palin in the Couric interviews.
Nearly everytime she opened her mouth it was SNL time. It's not the medias fault that she screwed up so constantly. What do you expect us to do. Go awwww, it's ok Sarah? Remember, this was a woman who could one day have been the freakin president of the US, if something had happened to McCain.
Gimmesometruth27 and Cosmo had some really good points in their posts, so i'm not gonna repeat and go over things they have already said, but c'mon prfectlefts, you think she was harsly treated? If she couldn't handle the press and the concerns of the public, how the hell do you think she would have ever handled putin and ahmedinijad or anything else that might one day require our president to think quick and respond?
Personally, I don't understand how anyone can possibly take her seriously. Even the Ewoks wouldn't like her.
Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
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Just to get this back on track...
You don't feel that the criticism of Sarah Palin (or Hillary Clinton) is justified... that attacks on their personal lives should not be brought into debate. Which is fine.
But, I, personally, feel that when a Sarah Palin or a Hillary Clinton places themselves into the spotlight by running for political office... and becoming a Public figure and a person in a leadership position with authority over everyone else... they MUST be placed under scrutiny by the public. These political leaders make decision that impact our lives... whether it's drafting legislation, passing tax bills or declaring war. We WANT to know the character of their make-up because THEY decide what happens to US.
When a Sarah Palin trots our her family all dressed up as the model family... she brings them into the political arena. I don't know if it was her idea or the Republican Party's idea or the John McCain Campaign's idea to drag them in... it doesn't matter. They got dragged into the spotlight and had to endure the exposure to it.
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As for the Alaskan drilling... it really doesn't matter how you or I feel about drilling or not drilling in the wilderness.
BUT, Sarah Palin... as Governor of Alaska wields alot of the power in that decision. That is WHY i (and many others) question her opposite views on the beauty of the landscape vs. the exploitation of the landscape for its resources. You get to only pick one or the other... you cannot have both. So, we ask Sarah... which will it be? And she says, 'Both'.
We don't want someone with those kinds of unrealistic answers as part of our leadership.
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Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....
dont compare oil wells to strip mines. there are oil wells all around here, but they barely affect the woods at all. its built on a tiny spot of land (about what a neighborhood house fits on) with a poorly maiantained gravel road attached. hardly an environmental disaster.
you could easily drill in the Alaskan wilderness, and it would barely have an effect on the woods at all. assuming its done responsibly.
Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
According to everything I read in the paper, many additional ethics charges are still pending.....as to what the fuss is about drilling for oil in unspoiled wilderness....ever been around oil wells? strip mines? heavy industry of any kind? They are all shitty places to be.....
dont compare oil wells to strip mines. there are oil wells all around here, but they barely affect the woods at all. its built on a tiny spot of land (about what a neighborhood house fits on) with a poorly maiantained gravel road attached. hardly an environmental disaster.
you could easily drill in the Alaskan wilderness, and it would barely have an effect on the woods at all. assuming its done responsibly.
Sure...whatever you say :roll:....your last sentence is the most important one in your post....rarely is that done.
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It appears Sarah Palin is not only a quitter but also a noshow as well.
For a while, it appeared as if Sarah Palin's coming out party as a non-governor, freelance Republican crusader was going to be an August 8 speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. That was a logical move for her. If there is a base for Palin, it's Reagan worshipers. These people tend to appreciate politicians who position themselves as freedom-luvin' promoters of good ol' American rugged individualism and who are eager to stick it to those over-educated Eastern establishment elites. Palin at the Reagan Library -- what could be better packaging for her?
Well, it's not to be. As Politico reports, she's skipping this gig. A spokesperson explains on Palin's Facebook page:
As repeatedly stated to several in the media over the last week, former Governor Sarah Palin is not committed to attend the Simi Valley Republican Women's event at the Reagan Library and in fact is not attending the event. Neither the Governor's state staff nor SarahPAC has ever committed to attending this event or speaking at this event, and even requested that the Governor's name be removed from the invitation several weeks ago. The Governor has other work and commitments to take care of at that time. She looks forward to visiting her friends in California soon.
A miscommunication with the Republican ladies of California? Perhaps. But a similar episode occurred several weeks ago. Palin was booked to be the keynote speaker at a big GOP fundraiser in Washington. Then she wasn't. Then there was a dust-up over that. Then she showed up but didn't speak.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
10 dismissed
3 rejected
1 she paid or was found guilty however you want to look at it
3 are still pending
Alaskan law mandates that ethics grievance's remain confidential unless a public accusation is filed or the accused person agrees in writing to make it public. However,most complainants have ignored this requirement and have publicly discussed their grievance's without any legal consequences
why is confidentiality so important ? so the process does not become a forum for partisan attacks,headline seekers,and disgruntled wing-nuts
It seems like everyday there's another ethics charge filed against Palin. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Or does that only apply if you tow the same party line ?
she's a conservative, she's Pro-Life, and she's attractive and IMO that's why liberals can't stand her
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10 dismissed
3 rejected
1 she paid or was found guilty however you want to look at it
3 are still pending
Alaskan law mandates that ethics grievance's remain confidential unless a public accusation is filed or the accused person agrees in writing to make it public. However,most complainants have ignored this requirement and have publicly discussed their grievance's without any legal consequences
why is confidentiality so important ? so the process does not become a forum for partisan attacks,headline seekers,and disgruntled wing-nuts
It seems like everyday there's another ethics charge filed against Palin. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Or does that only apply if you tow the same party line ?
she's a conservative, she's Pro-Life, and she's attractive and IMO that's why liberals can't stand her
I like her but you forgot besides a quitter, a no-show to Republican speaking events. At this point she needs all the friends she can gather especially in her own party.
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*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Well as far as her stepping down or quiting . I cant imagine what it would be like to be accused and ridiculed day in and day out by the media and all the other haters. Honestly I can't say that I blame her. Does it look bad ? Yeah sure it does but when is enough enough ? Put yourself in her shoes what wold you do.
None of us know until you actually go through something like that. so many of us are to quick to judge these days
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Well as far as her stepping down or quiting . I cant imagine what it would be like to be accused and ridiculed day in and day out by the media and all the other haters. Honestly I can't say that I blame her. Does it look bad ? Yeah sure it does but when is enough enough ? Put yourself in her shoes what wold you do.
None of us know until you actually go through something like that. so many of us are to quick to judge these days
Well, Somehow you seem to have been in her shoes and know what she's been through. If I was in her shoes I would NOT have stepped down from the job, IF my intention was to continue to run for public office. Now that she has stepped down she should quietly step into oblivion with her family into the Alaskan wild.
Look like many people here have said about Sarah Palin she gladly accepted the job of running for VP but with that job comes scrutiny of the potential position. Every detail of your life is under the *Eagle Eye* she has now chosen to leave for her own reasons with the media now she should stay out of the limelight she supposedly dislikes.
Somehow I don't think she ever will.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Whenever someone gets mauled by the press and media in general, I always think back to the person I admired the most when the world was coming down around her.....that's Hillary Clinton. When Bill got caught with his pants down, literally, she held her head up and acted with class. She didn't go off on the media criticizing all the minutia (sp?) the world was investigating and digging up about their lives.
Like her or not, she dealt with all of that pretty well and just look at her now. She could have just faded into the background, humiliated and weakened from the fight, but she didn't. She's no quitter.
I personally feel that what she and her family went through was far more humiliating and disturbing than anything Sarah Palin has faced.
Your opinion of Hillary as a politician and leader is irrelevant. As a person under public scrutiny, she handled herself with class and distinction and never gave up.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :? and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about.
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
i told you those links were the first few that popped up. i had about 5 minutes worth of time when i posted that and i was going to look more into it the next day. at least i tried to do a little digging to back up my position. it does not matter what dates were on the links. what matters is allegations were made. usually, in all politics, where there is smoke there is fire. if a politician starts stepping on toes they are going to make political enemies which is clearly what the palin family has done.
i am not trying to attack you or hurt your feelings in any way, but from what you have posted on these forums you do have a narrow world view. in all the weeks i have been debating you everything is either black or white, good or evil, right or wrong. there are shades of gray in everything, but either you fail to see it or fail to recognize it. not to compare you with bush or palin, but as an example, this is why they were so laughed at. they both have a forrest gump oversimplistic way of looking at things. "you are either with us or against us", "you betcha" "terrorists are evildoers", etc. these statements were made without any acknowledgement that we might have done something to piss these people off or provoke them or that there are other variables involved. if i am so narrow minded then why did so many people agree with me? why did they defend me and why did some of them even speak for me? are they narrow minded as well? i guess you would have more backing if jlew or brmlaw and pearl jain were still coming around here.
i never said you had to think a ceratin way or tow a party line. where did i EVER say that to you? all i ever said was pearl jam is a left leaning band as are most of their fans. there are a lot of very intelligent people posting on this forum. many of them are very switched on to politics and current events and what is actually going on, not just what our talking heads tell us. do not be so upset when the majority of them disagree with you. i also said that i would re-consider bringing this "sympathy for palin" garbage around here because you are not going to change anybody's minds or persuade anyone to change their opinion of her. but whatever man, post what you want. its a free board.
lastly, you said it has nothing to do with politics. it has EVERYTHING to do with politics. the difference here is they attacked hillary because of her husband, way before she ran for any national office. the media attacked palin for things of her own doing WHILE IN OFFICE.. MAJOR MAJOR difference here. hillary never claimed to be of the perfect family and never portrayed herself as the all american mom and professional. palin did and it was all smoke and mirrors and soon that illusion was seen for what it was, pure political grandstanding.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Jesus man you really should look at the dates on those links. All the ethics charges brought against her have been dropped And I didnt use wiki or a blog but you use the huffington post and youtube and Im the one that has a narrow world view is laughable You really should take a good look at your self before you start calling people narrow minded :?..
Didn't he say that they were just the first few links that popped up? The narrow minded comment made chuckle. Gimmesometruth27, is easily one of the most fair and reasonable posters here. In this thread alone, he has been loudly applauded for his thoughts and deliverance by numerous members. I believe someone even mentioned post of the year.
and I never said I wanted drilling in Alaska I said I didnt see what all the fuss was about..
Palin governed what is probably the last great wilderness in the western world, and she wanted to screw it over for the last few drops of oil, and you don't see what all the fuss is about?
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
I'm curious as to why you say that. Is it because they are both female and you think they should be treated differently? :?
And i'm sorry, but you're wrong. It has everything to do with politics. Ask yourself this. Has Sarah Palin been honest, open with, and respectful, of the American public? The answer is no. The privilege and opportunity on the national stage was hers for the taking. She made a choice to put her and her family up there but she was waaaay out of her league. She absolutely should have been able to handle close scrutiny, but she couldn't. She tried to portray herself as this know it all person, and she just couldn't admit when she had no clue. Can you remember back to when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine, or when Couric asked her about supreme court decisions she disagrees with? She became a fake, a laughing stock and a joke in the media when she gave those absolutely freaking ridiculous answers. Remember what happened to that Miss South Carolina in theTeen USA pagent when she answered the question about the map? That is exactly what came to my mind when i heard Palin in the Couric interviews.
Nearly everytime she opened her mouth it was SNL time. It's not the medias fault that she screwed up so constantly. What do you expect us to do. Go awwww, it's ok Sarah? Remember, this was a woman who could one day have been the freakin president of the US, if something had happened to McCain.
Gimmesometruth27 and Cosmo had some really good points in their posts, so i'm not gonna repeat and go over things they have already said, but c'mon prfectlefts, you think she was harsly treated? If she couldn't handle the press and the concerns of the public, how the hell do you think she would have ever handled putin and ahmedinijad or anything else that might one day require our president to think quick and respond?
Personally, I don't understand how anyone can possibly take her seriously. Even the Ewoks wouldn't like her.
remember when couric asked her what newspapers she reads? she said "all of them" lol
she could not name ONE newspaper. all she had to think in her head was the chants that her crowds chanted to her at rallies "USA USA USA" and said "Oh yeah, USA Today!"
haha she is totally ms south carolina. "we are going to help the south africa and the iraq"
ewoks lol, her speeches remind me of jar jar binks.........
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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DAMN, just about nailed it right there and I like Sarah Palin but just NOT governing my state or country.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Now... regarding Palin's Family...
Sarah Palin brought them into this when she tried to portray the Palin household as a model All-american Family. Whether this was Palin's strategy or the Republican Party's strategy... we do not know. BUT... that was how the Palin's were introduced to us. Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?
And just read the speech.... in full context. Palin talks about how she gave back Government money to Alaskans as part of a rebate for energy taxes.. then, says she denied accepting Government stimulus money to help the citizens of Alaska. She goes on about the natural beauty of Alaska... the awesome beauty of God's work (which she is absolutely correct in her assessment)... yet, she wants to drill in that wilderness. How do people... Palin supporters reconcile those blatantly hypocritical lines of thinking?
And she goes on and on about being a fighter (a so-called 'barracuda' or 'pit-bull' during her campaign)... but what is she DOING? She is QUITTING!!! What do you call someone who QUITS something? A FIGHTER??? NO!!! A QUITTER!!!
THAT is what people have against Sarah Palin. If she were just some hockey mom insurance adjuster for Allstate... no problem. but, when her aspirations are to become a leader of a State or our Nation... We, the people who will be subjected to this person's decisions, have to decide whether or not we want this person to lead us.
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That being said... to Palin supporters... what are the reasons why you support Sarah Palin as a political leader?
Hail, Hail!!!
and also the clothes she and her family used on the campaign trail were bought by the RNC not her campaign contributions,and she gave them all back when the elections were over. And when you claim whatever it is the hell you said about my party being self righteous. Look man Im not a registered Republican and I suer as fuck aint no Demorat.
Im a registered INDEPENDENT. ok. and I wouldn't have voted for her anyway because I don't think she was fit to be VP or HIllary for that matter. Im simply pointing out all the unnecessary bashing here and her family took on, But It's obvious that you and everyone else here seem to think it's o.k I for one don't.
As far as her wanting to drill in alaska I don't see what the big deal is .. I mean hell we already have a major pipeline running through there. I have never understood people that bitch and fucking moan about gas prices but the second we start to consider Anwar people start freaking out like the whole damn state is going to be over run with oil rigs. :roll:
The money she gave back to the people of Alaska came from the Oil companies. That has nothing to do with Government Stimulus. I agree but her family should have been off limits. Think about it... We didn't hear one damn thing about Obama's kids. God forbid
Nothing to do with gas prices (ROLLS FUCKING EYES). Everything to do with gushing over the natural beauty of the Wilds of Alaska from one side of your mouth... and wanting to exploit those same landscapes from the other.
Also... the oil reserves are Strategic Oil Reserves that are to be tapped in case we go to a big war.. with a China... there will be a power grab for the Middle East because of it's resources. It would be much easier to tap resources withing our grasp, than one that is on the other side of the planet.
Jets and tanks run on oil. The Strategic Oil Reserves are to save the nation, if case of a large scale conventional war... not just to save you a couple of bucks so you can continue to sit in a McDonalds drive thru line because you are too fucking lazy to park the fucking car.
Hail, Hail!!!
It was the Palin's that dragged their kids into the fray. They show themselves off as this model of Middle America... wholesome, religious, moral, patriotic, etc... and her views on public educaton and especially, the 'Abstinence Only' sex education. Apparently, it didn't work within her own family... why should anyone else in this country follow and obviously flawed way of thinking? Then, to try to spin it into this abortion thing and how strong Bristol was for deciding to keep her child and marry her boyfriend... which was obvious to even the casual observer that this was a shotgun wedding at best. Yes.. it was probably Bristol's decision.. i don't know. But, I have strong suspecions that there was heavy handed coersion involved by the Palin parents and the Republican National Party.
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And the Obama girls WOULD have been in the media crap... IF the Obama's dragged them into the spotlight as little angels... only to discover that one of them is a chronic fire-bug that tormented small animals. The Obama girls were presented as nothing more than little girls.
The Palin's would have been better served had they presented themselves as every other American family... imperfect, dysfunctional and flawed. THAT is closer to the reality of Middle America.
Hail, Hail!!!
Just so you know Cosmo I use our public transportation system (carta) and I very rarley eat fasfood so please save the personal attacks for someone else. I know it may be hard for you but please try.
I suppose I need to point out... that the 'YOU', I am referring to is used in a generalized sense... as in IF you happen to be one of those people who believe we should drill for oil off our coastlines or use our Strategic Oil Reserves to keep gasoline prices down so we can continue our wasteful habits, such as idling a V-8 engine in a drive thru line at any fast food restaurant because you are too fucking lazy to get out of your fucking car... then, yeah... YOU are the person I am addressing.
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That being cleared... how do you reconcile Mrs. Palin's viewpoints? Awesome beauty of God's creation and the exploitation of that landscape for it's resources? You can only have one or the other, because you can't have both.
Hail, Hail!!!
Why is it unnecessary when you bring and expose your children into the media spotlight for what ever reason you can end up with what happened to the Palins. As much as I like her, It was her own fault cause the media will expose her for what she really is a victimized QUITTER.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And, yet, how is she going to disguise the facts? She's leaving office early because she did the job so poorly. She is leaving the job undone because, frankly, she doesn't really care about the people of Alaska as much as her ambitions. And, she is under investigation for crimes or mis-use of public funds at the very least!!
How exactly does she think this episode is going to help her desire to pursue a bigger political office?!! :shock:
here ya go dude....since you can't research things on your own...these are the first few sites that came up when i searched "sarah palin ethics violations"...it was very simple and took all of 20 seconds...btw, no wiki links here....and no blogs...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8143609&page=1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/2 ... 92044.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCozfwp0 ... re=related
just to list a few....more to follow....
by the way i did not call you a republican. you are a conservative based on your posts and your narrow world view. if you read my post i said "YOUR SIDE" not "YOUR PARTY". i take great care with my posting and pay attention to detail so i knew from other threads that you were not a republican. and whether you like it or not, people with your world view are self-righteous. an example of this is when you say you use public transport yet you are concerned about gas prices and tell everyone that you want drilling in alaska. that makes absolutely no sense. how can you reconcile those statements? it makes no sense if you step back and read your posts.
if you were not going to vote for her then why are your undies in a wad over her? at this point i think you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. like i have said before, pearl jam is a left leaning band and most of their fans are left leaning. you might want to reconsider bringing this "sympathy for palin" stuff here when you know you have no chance of changing anybody's opinions of her.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Oh I forgot.... IM suppose to tow a certain party line just cos I love pj's music or can't I have my own opinion is that ok with you. You want know why Im sticking up for her? Its the same reason why when right beat up on Hillary. Because it's wrong. It has nothing to due with politics.
Palin governed what is probably the last great wilderness in the western world, and she wanted to screw it over for the last few drops of oil, and you don't see what all the fuss is about?
I'm curious as to why you say that. Is it because they are both female and you think they should be treated differently? :?
And i'm sorry, but you're wrong. It has everything to do with politics. Ask yourself this. Has Sarah Palin been honest, open with, and respectful, of the American public? The answer is no. The privilege and opportunity on the national stage was hers for the taking. She made a choice to put her and her family up there but she was waaaay out of her league. She absolutely should have been able to handle close scrutiny, but she couldn't. She tried to portray herself as this know it all person, and she just couldn't admit when she had no clue. Can you remember back to when Charlie Gibson asked her about the Bush Doctrine, or when Couric asked her about supreme court decisions she disagrees with? She became a fake, a laughing stock and a joke in the media when she gave those absolutely freaking ridiculous answers. Remember what happened to that Miss South Carolina in theTeen USA pagent when she answered the question about the map? That is exactly what came to my mind when i heard Palin in the Couric interviews.
Nearly everytime she opened her mouth it was SNL time. It's not the medias fault that she screwed up so constantly. What do you expect us to do. Go awwww, it's ok Sarah? Remember, this was a woman who could one day have been the freakin president of the US, if something had happened to McCain.
Gimmesometruth27 and Cosmo had some really good points in their posts, so i'm not gonna repeat and go over things they have already said, but c'mon prfectlefts, you think she was harsly treated? If she couldn't handle the press and the concerns of the public, how the hell do you think she would have ever handled putin and ahmedinijad or anything else that might one day require our president to think quick and respond?
Personally, I don't understand how anyone can possibly take her seriously. Even the Ewoks wouldn't like her.
Just to get this back on track...
You don't feel that the criticism of Sarah Palin (or Hillary Clinton) is justified... that attacks on their personal lives should not be brought into debate. Which is fine.
But, I, personally, feel that when a Sarah Palin or a Hillary Clinton places themselves into the spotlight by running for political office... and becoming a Public figure and a person in a leadership position with authority over everyone else... they MUST be placed under scrutiny by the public. These political leaders make decision that impact our lives... whether it's drafting legislation, passing tax bills or declaring war. We WANT to know the character of their make-up because THEY decide what happens to US.
When a Sarah Palin trots our her family all dressed up as the model family... she brings them into the political arena. I don't know if it was her idea or the Republican Party's idea or the John McCain Campaign's idea to drag them in... it doesn't matter. They got dragged into the spotlight and had to endure the exposure to it.
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As for the Alaskan drilling... it really doesn't matter how you or I feel about drilling or not drilling in the wilderness.
BUT, Sarah Palin... as Governor of Alaska wields alot of the power in that decision. That is WHY i (and many others) question her opposite views on the beauty of the landscape vs. the exploitation of the landscape for its resources. You get to only pick one or the other... you cannot have both. So, we ask Sarah... which will it be? And she says, 'Both'.
We don't want someone with those kinds of unrealistic answers as part of our leadership.
Hail, Hail!!!
you could easily drill in the Alaskan wilderness, and it would barely have an effect on the woods at all. assuming its done responsibly.
ANOTHER SARAH PALIN SWITCHAROO?
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
10 dismissed
3 rejected
1 she paid or was found guilty however you want to look at it
3 are still pending
Alaskan law mandates that ethics grievance's remain confidential unless a public accusation is filed or the accused person agrees in writing to make it public. However,most complainants have ignored this requirement and have publicly discussed their grievance's without any legal consequences
why is confidentiality so important ? so the process does not become a forum for partisan attacks,headline seekers,and disgruntled wing-nuts
It seems like everyday there's another ethics charge filed against Palin. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Or does that only apply if you tow the same party line ?
she's a conservative, she's Pro-Life, and she's attractive and IMO that's why liberals can't stand her
I like her but you forgot besides a quitter, a no-show to Republican speaking events. At this point she needs all the friends she can gather especially in her own party.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
None of us know until you actually go through something like that. so many of us are to quick to judge these days
Well, Somehow you seem to have been in her shoes and know what she's been through. If I was in her shoes I would NOT have stepped down from the job, IF my intention was to continue to run for public office. Now that she has stepped down she should quietly step into oblivion with her family into the Alaskan wild.
Look like many people here have said about Sarah Palin she gladly accepted the job of running for VP but with that job comes scrutiny of the potential position. Every detail of your life is under the *Eagle Eye* she has now chosen to leave for her own reasons with the media now she should stay out of the limelight she supposedly dislikes.
Somehow I don't think she ever will.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Like her or not, she dealt with all of that pretty well and just look at her now. She could have just faded into the background, humiliated and weakened from the fight, but she didn't. She's no quitter.
I personally feel that what she and her family went through was far more humiliating and disturbing than anything Sarah Palin has faced.
Your opinion of Hillary as a politician and leader is irrelevant. As a person under public scrutiny, she handled herself with class and distinction and never gave up.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
i told you those links were the first few that popped up. i had about 5 minutes worth of time when i posted that and i was going to look more into it the next day. at least i tried to do a little digging to back up my position. it does not matter what dates were on the links. what matters is allegations were made. usually, in all politics, where there is smoke there is fire. if a politician starts stepping on toes they are going to make political enemies which is clearly what the palin family has done.
i am not trying to attack you or hurt your feelings in any way, but from what you have posted on these forums you do have a narrow world view. in all the weeks i have been debating you everything is either black or white, good or evil, right or wrong. there are shades of gray in everything, but either you fail to see it or fail to recognize it. not to compare you with bush or palin, but as an example, this is why they were so laughed at. they both have a forrest gump oversimplistic way of looking at things. "you are either with us or against us", "you betcha" "terrorists are evildoers", etc. these statements were made without any acknowledgement that we might have done something to piss these people off or provoke them or that there are other variables involved. if i am so narrow minded then why did so many people agree with me? why did they defend me and why did some of them even speak for me? are they narrow minded as well? i guess you would have more backing if jlew or brmlaw and pearl jain were still coming around here.
i never said you had to think a ceratin way or tow a party line. where did i EVER say that to you? all i ever said was pearl jam is a left leaning band as are most of their fans. there are a lot of very intelligent people posting on this forum. many of them are very switched on to politics and current events and what is actually going on, not just what our talking heads tell us. do not be so upset when the majority of them disagree with you. i also said that i would re-consider bringing this "sympathy for palin" garbage around here because you are not going to change anybody's minds or persuade anyone to change their opinion of her. but whatever man, post what you want. its a free board.
lastly, you said it has nothing to do with politics. it has EVERYTHING to do with politics. the difference here is they attacked hillary because of her husband, way before she ran for any national office. the media attacked palin for things of her own doing WHILE IN OFFICE.. MAJOR MAJOR difference here. hillary never claimed to be of the perfect family and never portrayed herself as the all american mom and professional. palin did and it was all smoke and mirrors and soon that illusion was seen for what it was, pure political grandstanding.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
remember when couric asked her what newspapers she reads? she said "all of them" lol
she could not name ONE newspaper. all she had to think in her head was the chants that her crowds chanted to her at rallies "USA USA USA" and said "Oh yeah, USA Today!"
haha she is totally ms south carolina. "we are going to help the south africa and the iraq"
ewoks lol, her speeches remind me of jar jar binks.........
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."