part of the reason health care costs so much

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jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

and because health insurance companies need to make more and more profit every quarter. Aetna wasn't making enough of a profit for their liking so they replaced the CEO with Ron WIlliams who went about raising premiums on companies and individuals whose use of their insurance benefits cut into Aetna's profits....so they targeted these people and raised their rates to absurd levels and was able to get rid of 8 million customers increasing their profits (he also laid off 15,000 employees)

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

didn't those 8 million people deserve high quality care???

So how would you judge whether or not they deserve it?

deserve it? I dont know. never met any of those 8 million people.

JaneNY

(edit - quoted wrong part)

jlew24asu wrote:

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

Like what? If they were 'using' their insurance more, they were probably sick. If this company drops them how do they get new insurance with what is now 'pre-existing' condition?

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

and because health insurance companies need to make more and more profit every quarter. Aetna wasn't making enough of a profit for their liking so they replaced the CEO with Ron WIlliams who went about raising premiums on companies and individuals whose use of their insurance benefits cut into Aetna's profits....so they targeted these people and raised their rates to absurd levels and was able to get rid of 8 million customers increasing their profits (he also laid off 15,000 employees)

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

before you said:
'its gaining new customers is what really drives profit.' but Aetna increased their profits by having less customers and being selective about only keeping customers that didn't use their insurance that much....so you have to ask why is Aetna in the health insurance business? it's obviously not to help people get health care, so why? profit?

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

didn't those 8 million people deserve high quality care???

jlew24asu wrote:

deserve it? I dont know. never met any of those 8 million people.

why wouldn't anyone deserve quality care??

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

before you said:
'its gaining new customers is what really drives profit.' but Aetna increased their profits by having less customers and being selective about only keeping customers that didn't use their insurance that much....so you have to ask why is Aetna in the health insurance business? it's obviously not to help people get health care, so why? profit?

its a cost cutting move. its helps in the short run... not the long.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

why wouldn't anyone deserve quality care??

they deserve whatever it is someone else is willing to offer them.

you obviously think healthcare is right, correct? is eating a right?

jlew24asu

JaneNY wrote:

(edit - quoted wrong part)

jlew24asu wrote:

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

Like what?

another insurance company. do you want me to list them?

JaneNY wrote:

If they were 'using' their insurance more, they were probably sick. If this company drops them how do they get new insurance with what is now 'pre-existing' condition?

I've said this many times....I support the government treating healthcare like an unemployment benefit. or if a person has a pre existing condition.

regardless of what I feel, insurance companies will take a person with a pre-existing condition. but they wll have to pay a higher premium. you know why? doctors dont work for free.

decides2dream

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

and because health insurance companies need to make more and more profit every quarter. Aetna wasn't making enough of a profit for their liking so they replaced the CEO with Ron WIlliams who went about raising premiums on companies and individuals whose use of their insurance benefits cut into Aetna's profits....so they targeted these people and raised their rates to absurd levels and was able to get rid of 8 million customers increasing their profits (he also laid off 15,000 employees)

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

didn't those 8 million people deserve high quality care???

deserve it? I dont know. never met any of those 8 million people.

you do realize, for many people...they DON't have a choice. they get their health insurance thru their work, they pay part, their employer pays part. if their employer didn't pay part, they couldn't afford it. so don't make it sound like there is just so much choice in this...b/c there isn't. oh yea, they can just go out and get another job with more choices right? puh-leese.

i am well-educated, i have a good job, my employer ranks on the fortune 500 top 100 companies every year. i have very little 'choice' in my health care options.


and in regards to 'deserving' qulaity healthcare...are you serious? do you need to 'meet and know' someone to determine if they *deserve* quality healthcare? seriously...wtf. :?

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jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

and because health insurance companies need to make more and more profit every quarter. Aetna wasn't making enough of a profit for their liking so they replaced the CEO with Ron WIlliams who went about raising premiums on companies and individuals whose use of their insurance benefits cut into Aetna's profits....so they targeted these people and raised their rates to absurd levels and was able to get rid of 8 million customers increasing their profits (he also laid off 15,000 employees)

ok and? Aetna is not the only player in the game. those 8 million people are free to move on to a cheaper alternative....

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

didn't those 8 million people deserve high quality care???

deserve it? I dont know. never met any of those 8 million people.

What are your criteria for determining whether or not a given human being deserves quality health care (besides having to know you personally)?

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

What are your criteria for determining whether or not a given human being deserves quality health care (besides having to know you personally)?

people don't work for free.


if I'm hungry, am I within my rights to demand you feed me?

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

What are your criteria for determining whether or not a given human being deserves quality health care (besides having to know you personally)?

people don't work for free.


if I'm hungry, am I within my rights to demand you feed me?

That is clearly not an answer to the question.

You said you don't know whether the people in Niblett's post deserve quality healthcare because you hadn't met them. I am asking: If you did meet them, how would you then determine whether or not they deserve quality healthcare?

Please answer the question.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

What are your criteria for determining whether or not a given human being deserves quality health care (besides having to know you personally)?

people don't work for free.


if I'm hungry, am I within my rights to demand you feed me?

That is clearly not an answer to the question.

You said you don't know whether the people in Niblett's post deserve quality healthcare because you hadn't met them. I am asking: If you did meet them, how would you then determine whether or not they deserve quality healthcare?

Please answer the question.

I did answer your question. people dont work for free.

now answer mine.

if I'm hungry, am I within my right for force you to feed me?

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

I did answer your question. people dont work for free.

now answer mine.

if I'm hungry, am I within my right for force you to feed me?

no it's not your right...but you have the right to go to your township trustee and ask for assistance...and I'm sure they would direct you to a food kitchen or give you some vouchers to obtain food at a local grocery store

I don't have the right to enter your house and ask for a bandaid...not sure where you were going with that

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

if I'm hungry, am I within my rights to demand you feed me?

That is clearly not an answer to the question.

You said you don't know whether the people in Niblett's post deserve quality healthcare because you hadn't met them. I am asking: If you did meet them, how would you then determine whether or not they deserve quality healthcare?

Please answer the question.

I did answer your question. people dont work for free.

now answer mine.

if I'm hungry, am I within my right for force you to feed me?

Yes. That's why we have food stamps.

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

That is clearly not an answer to the question.

You said you don't know whether the people in Niblett's post deserve quality healthcare because you hadn't met them. I am asking: If you did meet them, how would you then determine whether or not they deserve quality healthcare?

Please answer the question.

I did answer your question. people dont work for free.

now answer mine.

if I'm hungry, am I within my right for force you to feed me?

Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't understand how "people don't work for free" answers the question "what are your criteria for determining whether or not someone deserves health care". Will you please explain it a little more explicitly? I'm looking more for a checklist of qualifications or something. Like, what would be on your application/questionairre when you determine whether or not someone is deserving of health care.

And again, maybe I'm just slow, but I need to stick to one question at a time in order to follow the conversation.

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

Yes. That's why we have food stamps.

if only UHC wasn't 4582x more expensive then food stamps, I might support it.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

That is clearly not an answer to the question.

You said you don't know whether the people in Niblett's post deserve quality healthcare because you hadn't met them. I am asking: If you did meet them, how would you then determine whether or not they deserve quality healthcare?

Please answer the question.

I did answer your question. people dont work for free.

now answer mine.

if I'm hungry, am I within my right for force you to feed me?

Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't understand how "people don't work for free" answers the question "what are your criteria for determining whether or not someone deserves health care". Will you please explain it a little more explicitly? I'm looking more for a checklist of qualifications or something. Like, what would be on your application/questionairre when you determine whether or not someone is deserving of health care.

And again, maybe I'm just slow, but I need to stick to one question at a time in order to follow the conversation.

you must be slow then sorry.

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jlew24asu wrote:

you must be slow then sorry.

Haha... you must not have an answer then.

PearlJain

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

you must be slow then sorry.

Haha... you must not have an answer then.

I only "lurk" at times..and then...due to my personality.........feel a need to interject. I've read your posts scb. What I gather, from your postings, is that you're a hard-worker, and want to earn more money. (No doubt - for your family). I like you. As you strive to do better. I respect you for that reason. You also tend to be defensive. Another character trait I can identify with. Think out of the box. You'll figure it out. I have faith in you.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Maybe I'm just slow, but I don't understand how "people don't work for free" answers the question "what are your criteria for determining whether or not someone deserves health care". Will you please explain it a little more explicitly? I'm looking more for a checklist of qualifications or something. Like, what would be on your application/questionairre when you determine whether or not someone is deserving of health care.

And again, maybe I'm just slow, but I need to stick to one question at a time in order to follow the conversation.

you must be slow then sorry.

Count me in with her then... cos I don't get it either. How does that answer the question? The closest I can guess is that you're trying to say that one has to be employed to deserve health care without having to actually come out and say it?

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

before you said:
'its gaining new customers is what really drives profit.' but Aetna increased their profits by having less customers and being selective about only keeping customers that didn't use their insurance that much....so you have to ask why is Aetna in the health insurance business? it's obviously not to help people get health care, so why? profit?

its a cost cutting move. its helps in the short run... not the long.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

why wouldn't anyone deserve quality care??

they deserve whatever it is someone else is willing to offer them.

you obviously think healthcare is right, correct? is eating a right?

ok, but isn't the short run moves 'what really drives profit' and not giving people actual health care?

yes, i do think health care is a right, it's in our best interests to have a healthy nation, i believe even George Washington thought the health and education of the people were 2 of the most deserving things a government should spend money on

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

ok, but isn't the short run moves 'what really drives profit' and not giving people actual health care?

yes, i do think health care is a right, it's in our best interests to have a healthy nation, i believe even George Washington thought the health and education of the people were 2 of the most deserving things a government should spend money on

healthcare is useless if the quality if shit and bankrupts this country. I'm all for reform of the current system, but UHC is not the answer.