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PJINFLAPJINFLA Posts: 787
edited July 2009 in The Porch
Is there a 10c lottery for rows 1-2 & 9-10 for the Toronto/Chicago shows?

There was no mention of a lottery in the original announcement for these shows like there was for the
current onsales. I didn't see what the purchase screen said when I bought the tickets as I was too busy
refreshing. Just curious if anybody knows what the deal is.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    no

    Wasn't there a mention of no lottery in the orignal announcement, or at least an amendment to it?
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    No. Strictly seniority.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • jambayleafjambayleaf Posts: 646
    My confirmation does not have that wording like it does for Seattle tickets. However, somebody posted yesterday, saying they asked the 10c if this is the norm for all the shows like Chicago and Toronto as well. And they said , "Yes, this is the norm." So, still a little vague. 2 conflicting stories. We'll see.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    I know I read somethin official saying there would be no seniority......
  • Father HubbardFather Hubbard Chicago Posts: 1,628
    although the original info never mentioned a lottery, i emailed them yesterday about this because i had a feeling it would be a lottery for these 3 shows. heres the response i got:

    HI Tom,

    1-2 and 9-10 are random. The rest will be seniority based.

    Best regards,
    10c
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    Father Hubbard wrote:
    although the original info never mentioned a lottery, i emailed them yesterday about this because i had a feeling it would be a lottery for these 3 shows. heres the response i got:

    HI Tom,

    1-2 and 9-10 are random. The rest will be seniority based.

    Best regards,
    10c
    Damn. Now I feel bad. I just sent them another email (probably the fifth one this minute come to think about it) about the lottery for these three shows. :lol:
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    edited July 2009
    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    This is straight from my ticket confirmation email for 8/23

    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    that for 8/24
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    Father Hubbard wrote:
    although the original info never mentioned a lottery, i emailed them yesterday about this because i had a feeling it would be a lottery for these 3 shows. heres the response i got:

    HI Tom,

    1-2 and 9-10 are random. The rest will be seniority based.

    Best regards,
    10c
    Would you mind posting the exact words from your e-mail to them?
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    DewieCox wrote:
    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the sho

    This is straight from my ticket confirmation email for 8/23
    I think this trumps that info..
    My email to them about ten minutes ago:
    "Hi,
    Someone recently reported emailing you guys about whether the lottery
    will be the norm for future shows, and you guys responded that that
    will be the case.. will the lottery be in effect for the
    Toronto/Chicago shows as well? I know when they went on sale, there
    was nothing mentioned about the lottery. On another note, any word
    about opening band for these shows?
    Regards,
    Ben"

    Their response:

    "Hi Ben,

    Yes the lottery will be in place for Toronto and Chicago. Sorry, currently
    we have no openers confirmed.

    Best,
    10c"
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    DewieCox wrote:
    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    This is straight from my ticket confirmation email for 8/23

    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    that for 8/24

    I have both of these emails too. But if it's a lottery for rows 1-2 and 9-10, sweet deal!
  • Father HubbardFather Hubbard Chicago Posts: 1,628
    Hi,
    Ive tried searching for a definitive answer, but did not find one. Are the Chicago shows going to have rows 1&2 and 9&10 random, or will it be strictly seniority based? I dont believe when Chicago and Toronto went onsale it mentioned anything about random, but I could be wrong.
    Thanks for your help,
    Tom

    EDIT: oops, guess im late in showing my original email. lottery it is.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    Indifference71 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    This is straight from my ticket confirmation email for 8/23

    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    that for 8/24

    I have both of these emails too. But if it's a lottery for rows 1-2 and 9-10, sweet deal!

    That's really exciting. I was just thinking it's too good to be true.
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    edited July 2009
    Father Hubbard wrote:
    Hi,
    Ive tried searching for a definitive answer, but did not find one. Are the Chicago shows going to have rows 1&2 and 9&10 random, or will it be strictly seniority based? I dont believe when Chicago and Toronto went onsale it mentioned anything about random, but I could be wrong.
    Thanks for your help,
    Tom
    It didn't mention anything about the lottery, no. But check out my post about three posts above you. Seems like there WILL be a lottery. That said, I wish I didn't know that... it'd be too cool to watch the winners, not knowing the lottery was even happening, receive their tickets and get damn excited!
    Post edited by benjs on
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    DewieCox wrote:
    Indifference71 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    This is straight from my ticket confirmation email for 8/23

    2) Ten Club tickets are allocated by seniority. Seat location is not revealed until tickets are collected on the day of the show.

    that for 8/24

    I have both of these emails too. But if it's a lottery for rows 1-2 and 9-10, sweet deal!

    That's really exciting. I was just thinking it's too good to be true.

    Yeah, thats a nice little surprise since I have a rather shitty 10c number. I have some hope of sitting up real close. What a treat that would be.
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    BeerBaron wrote:
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    I'm in the same position - going with my own 10C number (357xxx) to the Toronto show, but I don't think it's right for them to arbitrarily change the rules, without even telling anyone who didn't ask.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    Indifference71 wrote:
    Yeah, thats a nice little surprise since I have a rather shitty 10c number. I have some hope of sitting up real close. What a treat that would be.

    It woulda been, but it wass probably let out now to help spread out the bitching about it that is eminent, from the old schoolers. I can kinda see where they come from with it though.
  • Father HubbardFather Hubbard Chicago Posts: 1,628
    benjs wrote:
    It didn't mention anything about the lottery, no. But check out my post about three posts above you. Seems like there WILL be a lottery. That said, I wish I didn't know that... it'd be too cool to watch the winners, not knowing the lottery was even happening, receive their tickets and get damn excited!

    yeah i shouldve used the quote button. that was my email to 10c yesterday, per beer barons request. sorry about that.

    that being said, im always on the fence about whether or not i prefer the lottery. i have a pretty good # (129XXX), and it usually just ends up pushing me back 4 rows (5 shows in 2008 and no lottery win). but i still think its a pretty cool idea, and i guess it gives me that hope while walking up to the ticket window. plus, it gets some new blood right up front every night
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    benjs wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    I'm in the same position - going with my own 10C number (357xxx) to the Toronto show, but I don't think it's right for them to arbitrarily change the rules, without even telling anyone who didn't ask.

    What rules?
  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    BeerBaron wrote:
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    I'm going to agree... the lottery is OK, but it sucks when they change it after the fact. The friend I'm going with could have bought their own fan club tickets and we could have had a better shot at better seats.

    Oh well... what do you really expect?
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    Father Hubbard wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    It didn't mention anything about the lottery, no. But check out my post about three posts above you. Seems like there WILL be a lottery. That said, I wish I didn't know that... it'd be too cool to watch the winners, not knowing the lottery was even happening, receive their tickets and get damn excited!

    yeah i shouldve used the quote button. that was my email to 10c yesterday, per beer barons request. sorry about that.

    that being said, im always on the fence about whether or not i prefer the lottery. i have a pretty good # (129XXX), and it usually just ends up pushing me back 4 rows (5 shows in 2008 and no lottery win). but i still think its a pretty cool idea, and i guess it gives me that hope while walking up to the ticket window. plus, it gets some new blood right up front every night
    I agree 100% with what you said. I am a supporter of the lottery. In fact, I benefited from it in '08 and ended up 2nd row at MSG through my girlfriend's 10C number (which is in the 400xxx range). It was an amazing experience.

    But, those tickets were sold to us with no mention of a lottery and thus there should be no lottery for those 3 shows IMO.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    drsluggo wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    I'm going to agree... the lottery is OK, but it sucks when they change it after the fact. The friend I'm going with could have bought their own fan club tickets and we could have had a better shot at better seats.

    Oh well... what do you really expect?
    Who knows - if it really is entirely random, your number shouldn't affect your odds of winning the lottery.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    benjs wrote:
    Who knows - if it really is entirely random, your number shouldn't affect your odds of winning the lottery.
    I think he means that him and his friend could have each bought a pair and had 2 shots at hitting the lottery.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    DewieCox wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    wow, looks like there will be a lottery.

    As much as I am one of the many who a lottery benefits, I don't think it is right to have a lottery for these 3 shows after the on sale announcements made no mention of a lottery.
    I'm in the same position - going with my own 10C number (357xxx) to the Toronto show, but I don't think it's right for them to arbitrarily change the rules, without even telling anyone who didn't ask.

    What rules?
    Sorry, not 'rules', I guess 'conditions' is more appropriate.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    BeerBaron wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    Who knows - if it really is entirely random, your number shouldn't affect your odds of winning the lottery.
    I think he means that him and his friend could have each bought a pair and had 2 shots at hitting the lottery.
    Ah, my bad!
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    A friend just called them and confirmed that there will be a lottery for these shows. He will post specifics later.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,224
    BeerBaron wrote:
    A friend just called them and confirmed that there will be a lottery for these shows. He will post specifics later.
    There are specifics? 10c told me it's just the regular 1-2, 9-10 thing..
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    benjs wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    A friend just called them and confirmed that there will be a lottery for these shows. He will post specifics later.
    There are specifics? 10c told me it's just the regular 1-2, 9-10 thing..
    Specifics about this fact not being in their ticket sale announcement. Or something.
    1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Saratoga Springs 2003: Buffalo, Toronto 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto x2, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Gorge #1 2007: London, Dusseldorf, Vic, Lolla 2008: WPB, Tampa, DC, MSG x2, Hartford, Boston x2, Beacon 2009: Toronto, Chicago x2, Seattle x2, LA #3&4, San Diego, Philly x4 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford 2011: Montreal, Toronto x2, Hamilton 2012: Missoula 2013: London, Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Hartford, Dallas, OKC
  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    BeerBaron wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    A friend just called them and confirmed that there will be a lottery for these shows. He will post specifics later.
    There are specifics? 10c told me it's just the regular 1-2, 9-10 thing..
    Specifics about this fact not being in their ticket sale announcement. Or something.
    I think they are calling it the Target 'You hit the bullseye' Lottery... :lol:
  • ccjackccjack Posts: 134
    I'm happy to hear the latest news that there will be a lottery bcuz in the original announcement it said this for the Toronto Show:

    Ten Club tickets are for reserved seating and will be allocated by seniority. Seat locations will be reserved from the 1st row on the floor, extending back, and the side sections closest to the stage. The longer you have been in the fan club, the closer your seats will be to the stage. Newer members should not expect prime seat locations. Proximity to the stage is contingent on the amount of members in attendance.
    "Push me and I will resist"
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