Another abortion thread

WaveCameCrashin

cincybearcat wrote:

Cosmo wrote:
Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?

This one really takes the cake for one I think it's pretty obvious that none of the posters on here have kids or teenagers.How many kids did you know that had a dad or knew somebody that had a dad that was a Minister or heavily involved in the church and they were total hell raisers.
What do you mean what chances do they have ?? :? They have the same choices every other family has.

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Cosmo wrote:
Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?

This one really takes the cake for one I think it's pretty obvious that none of the posters on here have kids or teenagers.How many kids did you know that had a dad or knew somebody that had a dad that was a Minister or heavily involved in the church and they were total hell raisers.
What do you mean what chances do they have ?? :? They have the same choices every other family has.

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Once again... you COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT.
The point is... ABSTINENCE ONLY sex education DOES NOT WORK. It did not work in the Palin household... how is it supposed to work in a single parent home in urban America?
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If i'm wrong here... tell me. I am willing to listen to opposing viewpoints... as long as they STAY ON POINT.

catefrances

prfctlefts wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Cosmo wrote:
Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?

This one really takes the cake for one I think it's pretty obvious that none of the posters on here have kids or teenagers.How many kids did you know that had a dad or knew somebody that had a dad that was a Minister or heavily involved in the church and they were total hell raisers.
What do you mean what chances do they have ?? :? They have the same choices every other family has.

you sure about that?

soulsinging

CJMST3K wrote:

My GF who has her masters in marine biology and is a high school life sciences teacher says a fetus/baby/whatever-name-fits-your-agenda isn't "alive" until it takes it's first breath. I asked her the same question, what about a day before birth, and she said again "not until it takes it's first breath". And I said "what if there is a problem with it's lungs, so in the womb doctors stick tubes in it's veins which will oxygenate the blood without breathing. The "thing" could be 2 years old and still not "alive" because it hasn't taken it's first breath, right? ...she did not enjoy me using her own logic against her, but I still stand by the point.

That's not using her logic against her, that's Frankenstein type shit. That's not a person, it's a science experiment.

WaveCameCrashin

Cosmo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Cosmo wrote:
Gov. Palin dragged her daughter, Bristol into the fray with her opinions on 'abstinence only' sex education in the public school systems. If an upper class, all-American, God Fearing Christian family raises a teenaged daughter in an abstinence only sex education environment... and ended up with a pregnant, un-wed teenaged daughter... what chances do middle or lower class single parent families living in large metropolitan cities have?

This one really takes the cake for one I think it's pretty obvious that none of the posters on here have kids or teenagers.How many kids did you know that had a dad or knew somebody that had a dad that was a Minister or heavily involved in the church and they were total hell raisers.
What do you mean what chances do they have ?? :? They have the same choices every other family has.

...
Once again... you COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT.
The point is... ABSTINENCE ONLY sex education DOES NOT WORK. It did not work in the Palin household... how is it supposed to work in a single parent home in urban America?
...
If i'm wrong here... tell me. I am willing to listen to opposing viewpoints... as long as they STAY ON POINT.

yeah I'll agree with you abstinince and sex ed may not work all the time but how do you know it doesn't work with some kids. the facts are it does work with some. I went to school with severa l girls that waited untill they got married. And what about the lead singer of KOL isn't he still a virgin maybe Im wrong but I think I read it somewhere and his dad is a preacher

CJMST3K

soulsinging wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

My GF who has her masters in marine biology and is a high school life sciences teacher says a fetus/baby/whatever-name-fits-your-agenda isn't "alive" until it takes it's first breath. I asked her the same question, what about a day before birth, and she said again "not until it takes it's first breath". And I said "what if there is a problem with it's lungs, so in the womb doctors stick tubes in it's veins which will oxygenate the blood without breathing. The "thing" could be 2 years old and still not "alive" because it hasn't taken it's first breath, right? ...she did not enjoy me using her own logic against her, but I still stand by the point.

That's not using her logic against her, that's Frankenstein type shit. That's not a person, it's a science experiment.

So, I assume you would say that all babies who are born with major defects are "Frankenstein type shit"? ...we should just kill 'em to make sure they don't stomp on us, eh?

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

yeah I'll agree with you abstinince and sex ed may not work all the time but how do you know it doesn't work with some kids. the facts are it does work with some. I went to school with severa l girls that waited untill they got married. And what about the lead singer of KOL isn't he still a virgin maybe Im wrong but I think I read it somewhere and his dad is a preacher

I remember reading this really great interview with Caleb some time ago where he talked about his dad and his life growing up. He also mentions hookers, so i doubt he is a virgin. That part of his life is his business though, and i have no opinion on that. I'm not posting for that reason, i just thought you might be interested in the article.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034325,00.html

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prfctlefts wrote:

yeah I'll agree with you abstinince and sex ed may not work all the time but how do you know it doesn't work with some kids. the facts are it does work with some. I went to school with severa l girls that waited untill they got married. And what about the lead singer of KOL isn't he still a virgin maybe Im wrong but I think I read it somewhere and his dad is a preacher

You really have no idea whether those girls you went to school with - or anyone else for that matter - really waited until they got married. Actually, one of the reasons some girls choose abortion over adoption is so everyone will still think they were virgins.

Even so, just because abstinence-only education may work for a few people doesn't mean it works on a population level. Abstinence itself is just like any other form of birth control - it must be used consistently in order to be effective. And - just like other forms of birth control - it's not used consistently. It's a lso not a good long-term method of contraception, since most everyone will have sex eventually.

As to the original post asking what chance the poor inner-city kids have (or something like that), I think that's a valid question considering that unintended pregnancy rates are higher among people who are poor or minorities.

soulsinging

CJMST3K wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

My GF who has her masters in marine biology and is a high school life sciences teacher says a fetus/baby/whatever-name-fits-your-agenda isn't "alive" until it takes it's first breath. I asked her the same question, what about a day before birth, and she said again "not until it takes it's first breath". And I said "what if there is a problem with it's lungs, so in the womb doctors stick tubes in it's veins which will oxygenate the blood without breathing. The "thing" could be 2 years old and still not "alive" because it hasn't taken it's first breath, right? ...she did not enjoy me using her own logic against her, but I still stand by the point.

That's not using her logic against her, that's Frankenstein type shit. That's not a person, it's a science experiment.

So, I assume you would say that all babies who are born with major defects are "Frankenstein type shit"? ...we should just kill 'em to make sure they don't stomp on us, eh?

No, I'm saying that breathing is still a legitimate standard and the fact that medical science allows you to pump shit into one's body does not mean that failing to do so is equivalent to killing something.

decides2dream

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

yeah I'll agree with you abstinince and sex ed may not work all the time but how do you know it doesn't work with some kids. the facts are it does work with some. I went to school with severa l girls that waited untill they got married. And what about the lead singer of KOL isn't he still a virgin maybe Im wrong but I think I read it somewhere and his dad is a preacher

You really have no idea whether those girls you went to school with - or anyone else for that matter - really waited until they got married. Actually, one of the reasons some girls choose abortion over adoption is so everyone will still think they were virgins.

Even so, just because abstinence-only education may work for a few people doesn't mean it works on a population level. Abstinence itself is just like any other form of birth control - it must be used consistently in order to be effective. And - just like other forms of birth control - it's not used consistently. It's a lso not a good long-term method of contraception, since most everyone will have sex eventually.

As to the original post asking what chance the poor inner-city kids have (or something like that), I think that's a valid question considering that unintended pregnancy rates are higher among people who are poor or minorities.

exactly.
and ALL of it makes me wonder, are people TRULY concerned with eradicating abortion, or in simply dictating other's sex lives due to their own morality. i look at the LACK of understanding about how BC 'works'....even amongst those who support it, probably use it....smart people....and then wonder why others with less access, perhaps education, coupled with religious/familial pressure.....don't utilize BC all the time, if at all. if we truly do want to make abortion #s go down, we would focus on ease of access to BC, education about BC, how it works, what it entails - especially so people will stop, incorrectly, assuming the morning after pill is some evil abortion method rather than a high-dose of BC pills as it is in actuality - remove stigmas against the use of BC and yea...perhaps we'd see a positive correlation in the #s of abortions dropping off. that is why more and more i think it is less and less about abortion and a helluva lot more about regulating sex. so much for seperation of church and state and land of the free...

catefrances

prfctlefts wrote:

yeah I'll agree with you abstinince and sex ed may not work all the time but how do you know it doesn't work with some kids. the facts are it does work with some. I went to school with severa l girls that waited untill they got married. And what about the lead singer of KOL isn't he still a virgin maybe Im wrong but I think I read it somewhere and his dad is a preacher

caleb followill a virgin??????????? bwahahahahaha. i highly doubt that.