PJ becoming an elitist band?

Kilgore_Trout

EMPTY CUP wrote:

You know what I thinks funny
I Know Aussies who are going " Great we have shows in philly and Seatle, Im gunna go to this show and that show. that means flying halfway around the world to see Pearl Jam.
Meanwhile we have some americans going oohhh boohoo they are not playing around the corner from my House, Im giving up on these losers if they dont play in my area.
It just shows how selfish you are and your lack of passion for the band
iM SURE nICKLEBACK WILL PLAY YOUR AREA gO SEE THEM.


WHEN AND IF THEY TOUR oz I WILL GO WHERE THEY PLAY.
sure last tour they played Newcastle Ent centre which is 5 min from my house. I was Honoured and stoked.
But Idont expect it again, Sure I hope. And I will put my name to a petition agagin if required.
But I wont crack the shits. I will just get a ticket to the nearest show and dance like nobodies watchin

or it goes to show how impatient you aussies are ... "if" they play OZ? its definite... it was in the tweet... its probably a matter of a couple weeks before they announce it... im not overly impressed by anyones fandom just because they have the $ to fly across the world instead of waiting an extra month for hometown shows

*and whats with all these territorial fights this tour? its every region of the US against eachother against the rest of the world... has it ever been like this in the past or is it just a last straw thing with alot of people? i dont remember

Big Ed

The guys are playing the city's & towns on the days & times specified because it's what they want to do. A tour like this has to be easier on them and much less expensive.
They've been doing this for nearly 20 years now. I would imagine it is a lot more like "work" now, than it was back in 1994.
Be happy they are still incredibly active & relevant.

EMPTY CUP

sgossard3 wrote:

EMPTY CUP wrote:

You know what I thinks funny
I Know Aussies who are going " Great we have shows in philly and Seatle, Im gunna go to this show and that show. that means flying halfway around the world to see Pearl Jam.
Meanwhile we have some americans going oohhh boohoo they are not playing around the corner from my House, Im giving up on these losers if they dont play in my area.
It just shows how selfish you are and your lack of passion for the band
iM SURE nICKLEBACK WILL PLAY YOUR AREA gO SEE THEM.


WHEN AND IF THEY TOUR oz I WILL GO WHERE THEY PLAY.
sure last tour they played Newcastle Ent centre which is 5 min from my house. I was Honoured and stoked.
But Idont expect it again, Sure I hope. And I will put my name to a petition agagin if required.
But I wont crack the shits. I will just get a ticket to the nearest show and dance like nobodies watchin

or it goes to show how impatient you aussies are ... "if" they play OZ? its definite... it was in the tweet... its probably a matter of a couple weeks before they announce it... im not overly impressed by anyones fandom just because they have the $ to fly across the world instead of waiting an extra month for hometown shows

*and whats with all these territorial fights this tour? its every region of the US against eachother against the rest of the world... has it ever been like this in the past or is it just a last straw thing with alot of people? i dont remember

Oh tahts right I remember seeing all the whiing when they have done limited tours in the last few years coming from OZ ( well NO THER WASNT WAS THERE)
My point of people flying halfway around the globe as apoosed to somebody sitting 1/2 day away froma venue bitching its not fair. Not their fandom. just their passion. none of them has whined.
PJ tour the US often, they play festivals as well
Here in Oz we expect a tour every few years , generally after an album release. so we are patient and stoked when it happens

Kilgore_Trout

EMPTY CUP wrote:

sgossard3 wrote:

EMPTY CUP wrote:

You know what I thinks funny
I Know Aussies who are going " Great we have shows in philly and Seatle, Im gunna go to this show and that show. that means flying halfway around the world to see Pearl Jam.
Meanwhile we have some americans going oohhh boohoo they are not playing around the corner from my House, Im giving up on these losers if they dont play in my area.
It just shows how selfish you are and your lack of passion for the band
iM SURE nICKLEBACK WILL PLAY YOUR AREA gO SEE THEM.


WHEN AND IF THEY TOUR oz I WILL GO WHERE THEY PLAY.
sure last tour they played Newcastle Ent centre which is 5 min from my house. I was Honoured and stoked.
But Idont expect it again, Sure I hope. And I will put my name to a petition agagin if required.
But I wont crack the shits. I will just get a ticket to the nearest show and dance like nobodies watchin

or it goes to show how impatient you aussies are ... "if" they play OZ? its definite... it was in the tweet... its probably a matter of a couple weeks before they announce it... im not overly impressed by anyones fandom just because they have the $ to fly across the world instead of waiting an extra month for hometown shows

*and whats with all these territorial fights this tour? its every region of the US against eachother against the rest of the world... has it ever been like this in the past or is it just a last straw thing with alot of people? i dont remember

Oh tahts right I remember seeing all the whiing when they have done limited tours in the last few years coming from OZ ( well NO THER WASNT WAS THERE)
My point of people flying halfway around the globe as apoosed to somebody sitting 1/2 day away froma venue bitching its not fair. Not their fandom. just their passion. none of them has whined.
PJ tour the US often, they play festivals as well
Here in Oz we expect a tour every few years , generally after an album release. so we are patient and stoked when it happens

and my point being that your point is shit (sorry to be blunt)... cars dont run on passion... gas cost money (australians of all people should understand that)... the fact that theyve played 3 tours now without hitting the south is all the MORE reason for people complaining... if every time you consoled yourself with "next time" because you didnt have the money to travel and they kept passing you up it would start to bug ya... more so because its just out of reach... but it seems this tour was the last straw

australia is used to the waiting between tours because A) you dont have the "me first" attitude that comes with 24 hour supermarkets, free refills, and other American selfishness and most great/popular bands are American and thus give America preferential treatment - doing a full world tour maybe every 5 years at best

im not even with the complainers... im seeing my show this tour... just playing devils advocate... pro-reason

WaveCameCrashin

Columbia SC 08 - Ed quote "We'll see ya in 2 years"
Crowd

HIwide

You know I just posted a fairly lengthy reply on this thread, detailing the remarks I got for shelling out $124 for two EV shows in Hawaii (where I live), discussing the recent increase in ticket prices, and stating that I thought it was beginning to get to me. Then I deleted it. Going back over some of the other replies in this thread, I realized all I wanted were a few answers, not complaints and ugly remarks. I realized I didn't want to be a part of something like this.

soulsinging

weenie wrote:

It simply doesn't make sense for me to work for $16 an hour when I could be spending that time looking for a REAL job. It's a full-time job to FIND a job these days.

I never made $16 an hour at any job until I finished law school. Maybe you need to accept that in this economy, you're not going to get paid what you deserve or have the kind of job your experience merits. Everyone's getting humbled these days. :( After 17 months, isn't a $32,000 annual income better than nothing? We have teachers that make less than that...

soulsinging

fall by the wayside wrote:

Honestly, most guys their age would still be working 40+ hours a week, these guys have got it made it the shade. That being said, I completely understand the decision to spend more time with their families. However, there can certainly be a balance between touring like they did when they were younger and announcing a "North American Tour" that consists of dates in only FOUR cities.

Most people working 40+ hour weeks go home at night though and see their families and spend time with them on the weekends. Touring means potentially 2-3 months of not seeing the family. Even if it's fewer hours overall, it's a totally different kind of time. Not saying it can't be done, but it's their prerogative and if they have the luxury of not having to do it and choose not to, I'm not going to fault them for it. It's their lives.

Smellyman

weenie wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The fact that you think that a $16/hour job, in this poor economy,"doesn't make sense", may be considered an "elitist" comment by many people here........seems a bit dodgy that you are looking for pity.

Do you know anyone who pays a mortage and lives on $16 an hour? Secondly, I'm not looking for any "pity", I'm just stating the facts. You people don't read what is written, you read what you want to read so you can have a reaction to it and post. Oh, and I'm a lonnnnnngggggg time past my college days. [/quote]

yes... Millions of people do it making 33,000/year.

soulsinging

weenie wrote:

Do you know anyone who pays a mortage and lives on $16 an hour? Secondly, I'm not looking for any "pity", I'm just stating the facts. You people don't read what is written, you read what you want to read so you can have a reaction to it and post. Oh, and I'm a lonnnnnngggggg time past my college days.

I don't know anyone that pays a mortgage on $0 an hour for 17 months either though... I'd imagine you can make more payments if you're making $16 an hour than $0?

weenie

soulsinging wrote:

weenie wrote:

Do you know anyone who pays a mortage and lives on $16 an hour? Secondly, I'm not looking for any "pity", I'm just stating the facts. You people don't read what is written, you read what you want to read so you can have a reaction to it and post. Oh, and I'm a lonnnnnngggggg time past my college days.

I don't know anyone that pays a mortgage on $0 an hour for 17 months either though... I'd imagine you can make more payments if you're making $16 an hour than $0?

I worked 12 hour days for 7 days a week for FEMA (after Hurricane Ike) for 5 months. Yes, we were paid OT for 44 hours of the 84 we worked each week and that was a HUGE help. I've also been through my savings, etc and sold any real property I had while working part-time jobs.

But that's not why I started the thread - I'm really not bitching about my personal financial situation. I have struggled but I've also managed to get by using the "hierarchy of needs philosophy". I've learned a lot about myself and my ability to survive and be self-reliant since I don't have any family left.

I'm not looking for anyone's sympathy either, I'm simply stating fact. I happen to know that there are a lot of folks out there who are in similar situations and WAY worse off than I am. The economy has a lot of just regular folks in a real bind.

Based on MY own personal experiences, and those of others that I hear about everyday, it just seems like really awkward timing for the band to choose to play these regional shows only. I've been hitting concerts for about 10 years now, and I don't recall them doing multiple shows, in only three major US cities, over those 10 years - even though people on this thread swear it's so. The choices made, and the timing, is what I question.

helpme2helpyou

I guess the way I look at this tour is that 9-10 shows in 4 cities is better than 0 shows in 0 cities. Pearl Jam isn't my life, it is a release from life for me. I feel that the band is more accessible to its fans now than they were 10-15 years ago. In the past there would be years with no shows and since the 2003 tour, they have been hitting the road every year. True, people may have to travel for these shows, but it is there choice. As a teacher, I save like crazy all year long, both money and my personal days, and it is worth it for me. I saw the band once in my hometown and have never traveled less than 2 and 1/2 hours to see them since; but not for one second have I felt that the band has forgotten about me or developed an elitist attitude. Nobody in the band or 10C has ever forced me to fly to Chicago or drive to Philly to see them, it is simply what I am willing to do. They way I look at it...traveling to see them has allowed me to see cities, both domestic and abroad, that I probably never would have gone to. If I were in a successful band, I too would want to travel to the cities I love the most and feel most appreciated in, and if that is the approach the band has at this stage in their career, they deserve it.

jimed14

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BRMLAW

Hmmm. Well there is no doubt that during the Bush years the band, I feel, intentionally snubbed certain parts of the country. Silly as it may be that appeared the case. Fortunately my state wasn't one of those. So if that's elitst then the answer is yes. But when you look at how much more money the band could have made selling out at the U2 level than the answer is no. Emphatically no. PJ cut off their nose to spite their face many times, and still do from time to time. But now I just think the guys are busy raising families. I wouldn't take it personally anymore.......unless youre from Texas. I cant help you guys. ACL will be it for W country.

BRMLAW

The other issue with PJ and big tours IS the economy IMHO. I just don't think its economically feasible for PJ to play the whole country in places where people just aren't spending money.

dimitrispearljam

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bicyclejoe

drsluggo wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

I know its hard to understand when something isn't written as "I love PJ. I love EV's pants. They do not wrong - they are all above us."

But... the facts are that the band rarely plays ANY states that did not vote democrat in the last two elections. Call it what you will, but it is what it is. ACL is a festival as was Bonnaroo which I am not calling PJ shows. Take those out and see just how many you get, because it is VERY few.

Am I an idiot for thinking that's just a mere coincidence and that the band can't possibly be avoiding areas they consider beneath them for voting republican? Apparently to you I am... but again, I didn't drink the 'PJ can do no wrong' kool aid you seem to.

This is a ludicrous statement. To begin with, it's "Democratic" not "democrat." That is a derisive term used by right-wingers who don't want to acknowledge the legitimacy of the last election.
Secondly, I recall them playing Florida last year (which had gone for Bush the previous two elections) and Tennessee.

Wolf At Bay

RiotAct10 wrote:

benjs wrote:

I must have missed this, but where did they state that they have no plans for shows in 2010?

I think it came from an interview with Ed. But personally, if it was a written interview, I feel there is potential the interviewer messed up, and if it was recorded, I think it is possible Ed was confused. The statement came out in January of this year, and Ed said something to the effect of, they wouldn't be touring next year because someone in the band was having a baby. Again, this was in January, meaning if someone was to be having a baby next year, the baby had not been made at that time, and it just seemed odd to me at the time. Also, I completely respect wanting to be home with your wife and new-born, and it is great they are in a line of work where they can make their own schedule, but if someone does have a baby in say February, judging by how they did major tours in the past (month on, month off) I still think it is possible they would tour. I mean, not to get into personal details, but Matt has always had kids as long as he has been in the band, Ed's first kid came in 2004, and they have played plenty of shows since then, so I am not saying it isn't possible they play no shows next year, I just think maybe something got lost in translation as far as that goes.

I remember this. It's also possible that the interview took place in 08' and wasn't published until January '09. Or like you, someone was confused.
Also, I think it is highly unlikely that they wouldn't stop in, say, New York for example, in support of the new album -- sorry if this sounds like its coming from a spoiled New Yorker with delusions of entitlement, but its a fact that New York is a major market for tours, and its also a fact that you have to support an album with a major tour or risk not selling any copies. So, in conclusion, I think there will be a longer US tour in 2010, which of course, it when we can expect to be able to watch it go to fire.

weenie

jimed14 wrote:

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For you, and so many other sanctimonious, smug assholes to respond to a question with crass and insensitive answers - including photos - is indicative of the egocentricity that permeates your thinking.

And that's being generous... :roll:

thunderDAN

I don't think they are an elitist band, however I think they are touring under the strategy than they used to of hitting larger markets and charging alot more than they should and play the odds of out of a large population more people will be willing to spend $85 on a ticket than in smaller cities. They bring in more money with fewer shows and it's a win win for them.