PJ becoming an elitist band?

weenie

by performing shows ONLY in large metropolitan areas (with the exception of the festival shows) and forcing fans to fly to those cities from everywhere? Just curious as to what everyone has to say.

Aside from losing the awesome experience of doing road trips to several concerts as someone pointed out on another thread, this is an odd time with the economy being what it is to ask everyone to fork over money to fly. Philly reps the East, Chicago reps the Midwest and LA reps the West. With the "no plans for shows in 2010 statement", I'm really feeling left out. With the exception of ACL, where they'll probably play for an hour, I'm not able to see any of the concert shows because I haven't had a full-time job in 17 months.

What does everyone think?

drsluggo

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

Bravejamriot

Why would they play for an hour at ACL? Both Lola and Bonnaroo they played full sets. 3 hours at Bonnaroo.

Eddie Vedder played in Albany, a city of less than 100,000, also Hawaii. If they are only going to do a couple shows, they will be in large cities though. When the decided to dedicate a couple months on tour, then they can hit the rest.

Flagg

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

The red state/blue state thing is so 2006.

Bravejamriot

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

weenie

Bravejamriot wrote:

Why would they play for an hour at ACL? Both Lola and Bonnaroo they played full sets. 3 hours at Bonnaroo.

Eddie Vedder played in Albany, a city of less than 100,000, also Hawaii. If they are only going to do a couple shows, they will be in large cities though. When the decided to dedicate a couple months on tour, then they can hit the rest.

Austin has very strict rules regarding live music and how late it can go - which apply even to ACL.

benjs

weenie wrote:

by performing shows ONLY in large metropolitan areas (with the exception of the festival shows) and forcing fans to fly to those cities from everywhere? Just curious as to what everyone has to say.

Aside from losing the awesome experience of doing road trips to several concerts as someone pointed out on another thread, this is an odd time with the economy being what it is to ask everyone to fork over money to fly. Philly reps the East, Chicago reps the Midwest and LA reps the West. With the "no plans for shows in 2010 statement", I'm really feeling left out. With the exception of ACL, where they'll probably play for an hour, I'm not able to see any of the concert shows because I haven't had a full-time job in 17 months.

What does everyone think?

I must have missed this, but where did they state that they have no plans for shows in 2010?

drsluggo

Bravejamriot wrote:

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

I know its hard to understand when something isn't written as "I love PJ. I love EV's pants. They do not wrong - they are all above us."

But... the facts are that the band rarely plays ANY states that did not vote democrat in the last two elections. Call it what you will, but it is what it is. ACL is a festival as was Bonnaroo which I am not calling PJ shows. Take those out and see just how many you get, because it is VERY few.

Am I an idiot for thinking that's just a mere coincidence and that the band can't possibly be avoiding areas they consider beneath them for voting republican? Apparently to you I am... but again, I didn't drink the 'PJ can do no wrong' kool aid you seem to.

jimed14

weenie

It was at the end of one of Tim's announcements about shows. I'll have to go back and look for it, but it was there. Several people posted about the remark when the announcement first came out.

dimitrispearljam

jimed14 wrote:

best post of the year..

pjten77

drsluggo wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

I know its hard to understand when something isn't written as "I love PJ. I love EV's pants. They do not wrong - they are all above us."

But... the facts are that the band rarely plays ANY states that did not vote democrat in the last two elections. Call it what you will, but it is what it is. ACL is a festival as was Bonnaroo which I am not calling PJ shows. Take those out and see just how many you get, because it is VERY few.

Am I an idiot for thinking that's just a mere coincidence and that the band can't possibly be avoiding areas they consider beneath them for voting republican? Apparently to you I am... but again, I didn't drink the 'PJ can do no wrong' kool aid you seem to.

Thank God I live in Canada and can avoid all this hypothetical political conspiracy theory stuff. They love playing here, and I live close to Toronto.

JD Sal

weenie wrote:

by performing shows ONLY in large metropolitan areas (with the exception of the festival shows) and forcing fans to fly to those cities from everywhere? Just curious as to what everyone has to say.

Aside from losing the awesome experience of doing road trips to several concerts as someone pointed out on another thread, this is an odd time with the economy being what it is to ask everyone to fork over money to fly. Philly reps the East, Chicago reps the Midwest and LA reps the West. With the "no plans for shows in 2010 statement", I'm really feeling left out. With the exception of ACL, where they'll probably play for an hour, I'm not able to see any of the concert shows because I haven't had a full-time job in 17 months.

What does everyone think?

First of all, you're not being 'forced' to fly or 'forced' to fork over money. Pearl Jam is not playing in your hometown, and I get that you would have to travel to see them, but that is your decision and your decision alone. I don't think the band expects you to follow them all over the world if you don't have the desire or the means.

Secondly, where did they say no shows in 2010? According to Tim's post which I pasted below, there are no more shows for this 'current tour.' I don't understand why a lot of people think the current tour in 2009 means no shows in 2010.

"At this time, there are no more North American dates to be added to the current tour. However, keep your eyes on the horizon ... Australia and New Zealand are next. Details to come soon."

Flagg

drsluggo wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

I know its hard to understand when something isn't written as "I love PJ. I love EV's pants. They do not wrong - they are all above us."

But... the facts are that the band rarely plays ANY states that did not vote democrat in the last two elections. Call it what you will, but it is what it is. ACL is a festival as was Bonnaroo which I am not calling PJ shows. Take those out and see just how many you get, because it is VERY few.

Am I an idiot for thinking that's just a mere coincidence and that the band can't possibly be avoiding areas they consider beneath them for voting republican? Apparently to you I am... but again, I didn't drink the 'PJ can do no wrong' kool aid you seem to.

If that is true then they are pussies for preaching to the choir.

LukinFan

weenie wrote:

It was at the end of one of Tim's announcements about shows. I'll have to go back and look for it, but it was there. Several people posted about the remark when the announcement first came out.

I don't think so. It was in an interview with Ed from overseas if I remember correctly that someone posted here. I don't think the 10C ever came out and said "No touring in 2010"

Flagg

dimitrispearljam wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

best post of the year..

The Facepalm. Love it.


When words alone cannot describe how stupid this is.

drsluggo

pjten77 wrote:

Thank God I live in Canada and can avoid all this hypothetical political conspiracy theory stuff. They love playing here, and I live close to Toronto.

It has more facts to back it up than most conspiracy theories do... but I'm an idiot to think that the only reason they aren't doing it in some way to avoid making a carbon footprint by traveling to the south or western states like ND,SD,ID,WY,UT,AZ,OK,TX,etc,etc,etc.

Bravejamriot

drsluggo wrote:

Bravejamriot wrote:

drsluggo wrote:

They believe in freedom of speech, but if you say something they don't like (or vote with your mind and not theirs) good luck getting a concert there.

I don't know if that's elitist or not... but it is the way it is these days.

What the hell does that mean? Honestly, you are just an idiot.

I know its hard to understand when something isn't written as "I love PJ. I love EV's pants. They do not wrong - they are all above us."

But... the facts are that the band rarely plays ANY states that did not vote democrat in the last two elections. Call it what you will, but it is what it is. ACL is a festival as was Bonnaroo which I am not calling PJ shows. Take those out and see just how many you get, because it is VERY few.

Am I an idiot for thinking that's just a mere coincidence and that the band can't possibly be avoiding areas they consider beneath them for voting republican? Apparently to you I am... but again, I didn't drink the 'PJ can do no wrong' kool aid you seem to.

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2008-06-17
Verizon Amphitheatre
Virginia Beach, Virginia
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2008-06-16
Colonial Center
Columbia, South Carolina
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2008-06-14
Bonnaroo
Manchester, Tennessee
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2008-06-12
St. Pete Times Forum
Tampa, Florida
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2008-06-11
Cruzan Amphitheatre
West Palm Beach, Florida

So in 2008 they played in 10 cities... 5 are in "Red" States. This was before the 08 election so Virginia and Florida were Bush states.

Do some research before you spout ignorance.
http://electoralmap.net/2004.php

RiotAct10

benjs wrote:

I must have missed this, but where did they state that they have no plans for shows in 2010?

I think it came from an interview with Ed. But personally, if it was a written interview, I feel there is potential the interviewer messed up, and if it was recorded, I think it is possible Ed was confused. The statement came out in January of this year, and Ed said something to the effect of, they wouldn't be touring next year because someone in the band was having a baby. Again, this was in January, meaning if someone was to be having a baby next year, the baby had not been made at that time, and it just seemed odd to me at the time. Also, I completely respect wanting to be home with your wife and new-born, and it is great they are in a line of work where they can make their own schedule, but if someone does have a baby in say February, judging by how they did major tours in the past (month on, month off) I still think it is possible they would tour. I mean, not to get into personal details, but Matt has always had kids as long as he has been in the band, Ed's first kid came in 2004, and they have played plenty of shows since then, so I am not saying it isn't possible they play no shows next year, I just think maybe something got lost in translation as far as that goes.

triphobz

Has any one heard of warm up shows? I fart on this thread

dimitrispearljam

LukinFan wrote:

weenie wrote:

It was at the end of one of Tim's announcements about shows. I'll have to go back and look for it, but it was there. Several people posted about the remark when the announcement first came out.

I don't think so. It was in an interview with Ed from overseas if I remember correctly that someone posted here. I don't think the 10C ever came out and said "No touring in 2010"

... south America,south Usa,Europe......we will have alot of work to do....(flights,hotels,trains and stuff..)

drsluggo

Bravejamriot wrote:

So in 2008 they played in 10 cities... 5 are in "Red" States. This was before the 08 election so Virginia and Florida were Bush states.

Do some research before you spout ignorance.
http://electoralmap.net/2004.php

Bonaroo wasn't a PJ show, so toss that out. They went there for a big payday... they would never have gone there if it was only their show.

FL and VA were both big swing states and PJ pushed the 'get out the vote' stuff there a la 2004 VFC.

So SC was the only show in a 'deep red' state.

Now go back to 2006 and do your same stats there. Then look at the 2009 tour dates and do your stats there.

I won't say you are ignorant because that implies you don't know what you're doing. I'll just say you're a misleading cheerleader for the band's motives.

weenie

Let me clarify, by "elitist" I wasn't referring to politics. I was referring to the attitude that people with money can fly to a regional show to see the band. Everybody else is SOL. Again, I was NOT referring to their politics, I was referring to the fact that with the exception of a few festival dates, they are playing ONLY regional shows. :roll: I'm also NOT talking about the PAST. I'm talking about support of the upcoming release. Jesus, no need to insult me for asking a question.

benjs

RiotAct10 wrote:

benjs wrote:

I must have missed this, but where did they state that they have no plans for shows in 2010?

I think it came from an interview with Ed. But personally, if it was a written interview, I feel there is potential the interviewer messed up, and if it was recorded, I think it is possible Ed was confused. The statement came out in January of this year, and Ed said something to the effect of, they wouldn't be touring next year because someone in the band was having a baby. Again, this was in January, meaning if someone was to be having a baby next year, the baby had not been made at that time, and it just seemed odd to me at the time. Also, I completely respect wanting to be home with your wife and new-born, and it is great they are in a line of work where they can make their own schedule, but if someone does have a baby in say February, judging by how they did major tours in the past (month on, month off) I still think it is possible they would tour. I mean, not to get into personal details, but Matt has always had kids as long as he has been in the band, Ed's first kid came in 2004, and they have played plenty of shows since then, so I am not saying it isn't possible they play no shows next year, I just think maybe something got lost in translation as far as that goes.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, even interviews must be taken at face value - bands don't plan tours, management does (though they may have a say in it). Nothing's set in stone here 'til Kat, Sea, or Tim states it explicitly IMO.

weenie

RiotAct10 wrote:

benjs wrote:

I must have missed this, but where did they state that they have no plans for shows in 2010?

I think it came from an interview with Ed. But personally, if it was a written interview, I feel there is potential the interviewer messed up, and if it was recorded, I think it is possible Ed was confused. The statement came out in January of this year, and Ed said something to the effect of, they wouldn't be touring next year because someone in the band was having a baby. Again, this was in January, meaning if someone was to be having a baby next year, the baby had not been made at that time, and it just seemed odd to me at the time. Also, I completely respect wanting to be home with your wife and new-born, and it is great they are in a line of work where they can make their own schedule, but if someone does have a baby in say February, judging by how they did major tours in the past (month on, month off) I still think it is possible they would tour. I mean, not to get into personal details, but Matt has always had kids as long as he has been in the band, Ed's first kid came in 2004, and they have played plenty of shows since then, so I am not saying it isn't possible they play no shows next year, I just think maybe something got lost in translation as far as that goes.

I hope you're right. But I DO recall seeing it referred to in a thread here. Hopefully I'm wrong.

drsluggo

weenie wrote:

Jesus, no need to insult me for asking a question.

If you so much indirectly imply there's some motive for what they do you get assaulted.

If PJ ate babies on stage people here would rail on you for questioning it. :roll:

triphobz

drsluggo wrote:

weenie wrote:

Jesus, no need to insult me for asking a question.

If you so much indirectly imply there's some motive for what they do you get assaulted.

If PJ ate babies on stage people here would rail on you for questioning it. :roll:

lmfao

Bravejamriot

drsluggo wrote:

weenie wrote:

Jesus, no need to insult me for asking a question.

If you so much indirectly imply there's some motive for what they do you get assaulted.

If PJ ate babies on stage people here would rail on you for questioning it. :roll:

I don't have a problem with weenie, just you drsluggo because you act like you know what your talking about, but couldn't take the time to look it up.

triphobz

This is better than watching Passions.

NEW ALBUM OUT SOON!! I"M Effin Excited!!

drsluggo

Bravejamriot wrote:

I don't have a problem with weenie, just you drsluggo because you act like you know what your talking about, but couldn't take the time to look it up.

The only reason you have a problem is because your own selected facts don't even backup your argument. You hand-picked the 10 shows in 2008 and ignored 2006, 2007, and 2009 and even then only had 1 state in there that would be considered a solid republican state.

Keep drinking that kool-aid though - I hear its delicious!

lebowski70

Ridiculous. If Pearl Jam is an elitist band, then I am a staunch republican. Not happening!!!!!!