KAT - will we have time to decide, or will it be immediate?

decides2dream

Wolf At Bay wrote:

DS114969 wrote:

I'd rather go back to the index card method of 03 if theier web site cant handle it LOL. Or why dont' they invest in a server that can handle the traffic. I mean sometimes the board crashes even during a poster sale for crying out loud!

There have been two methods I liked that I thought were totally fair. The old one-show request by mail (2000 was my first show, and that's how they did it for that tour)
The second was the lottery method used on the recent Eddie solo tour.

2003 was my first tour, so was able to buy for multiple shows...but still the postcard method. that was ok, albeit a bit unwieldy, and definitely would be difficult nowadays for 10c with their short time spans between annoucements and then TM onsale dates.

i thought the lottery was AWESOME! i know lots of people hated it, think it unnecessary for larger shows....but i just think, well if it is so 'unnecessary'....why not then? NO stress! everyone just signs up that they want whatebver tix, wait a couple days, and see if you're in. the only real issue i have with it possibly is if you are traveling for shows, and want to attend multiple shows, and you only score for 1. guess you'd still have TM, but still. i like getting 10c tix for multiple shows. but you are right, the lottery is absolutely the most 'fair' way of doing it. not how fast you get your mail out, not how fast your computer is, no reward for sitting here hours on end...just pure luck, all equal chances.

however, overall...i am a-ok with whatever 10c does, but i definitely am of the opinion that instant sales suck.
(in case i was unclear )

2-feign-reluctance

decides2dream wrote:

Wolf At Bay wrote:

DS114969 wrote:

I'd rather go back to the index card method of 03 if theier web site cant handle it LOL. Or why dont' they invest in a server that can handle the traffic. I mean sometimes the board crashes even during a poster sale for crying out loud!

There have been two methods I liked that I thought were totally fair. The old one-show request by mail (2000 was my first show, and that's how they did it for that tour)
The second was the lottery method used on the recent Eddie solo tour.

2003 was my first tour, so was able to buy for multiple shows...but still the postcard method. that was ok, albeit a bit unwieldy, and definitely would be difficult nowadays for 10c with their short time spans between annoucements and then TM onsale dates.

i thought the lottery was AWESOME! i know lots of people hated it, think it unnecessary for larger shows....but i just think, well if it is so 'unnecessary'....why not then? NO stress! everyone just signs up that they want whatebver tix, wait a couple days, and see if you're in. the only real issue i have with it possibly is if you are traveling for shows, and want to attend multiple shows, and you only score for 1. guess you'd still have TM, but still. i like getting 10c tix for multiple shows. but you are right, the lottery is absolutely the most 'fair' way of doing it. not how fast you get your mail out, not how fast your computer is, no reward for sitting here hours on end...just pure luck, all equal chances.

however, overall...i am a-ok with whatever 10c does, but i definitely am of the opinion that instant sales suck.
(in case i was unclear )

i didn't win the lottery for the only show i went to last year, but i made out pretty decent! on the wings about 5 rows up from the floor in a section close to the stage on stone's side. the lottery did make me a nervous wreck however.

pjsteelerfan

CJMST3K wrote:

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I'd rather go back to the postcard method of 1998! That was great and fair! It also eliminated seniority. ...now, I love seniority, but the postcard method of 98 was my favorite.

that was pretty fuckin' cool wasn't it? remember the 03' tour when we had to send in all those damn money orders?! ha! we've been through so many incarnations of this thing that this is what we're left with.

Sometimes the older methods work best. You don't even need a computer to do it, and there's no chance the "mail" will crash.

...all the rusted signs, eh?

I guess the poblem with the post card method now, is if there are "limits" to the number of fan club tickets to a show like the last few years, do you just mail back peoples money orders and say sorry?

cowboypjfan

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Wow, I guess you missed my point. Seeing as it is OVER 3 MONTHS AWAY, it gave me plenty of time to plan for that week. And more time if you consider the rumors started months ago. I know a lot of people need to plan things out over a year in advance. I am not lurking, it was just easy not to scheudle things that week until I know more. I did not have to lurk at a computer to do that.

I can usually make plans rather quickly and I didn't miss your point. However, it is difficult to plan on rumored dates when TC should be ones who plan in advance! Just a thought...

Better Dan

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I guess the poblem with the post card method now, is if there are "limits" to the number of fan club tickets to a show like the last few years, do you just mail back peoples money orders and say sorry?

There's no perfect method. I think the changes have been due to PJ management trying to find the best way.

cowboypjfan

CJMST3K wrote:

I'd rather go back to the postcard method of 1998! That was great and fair! It also eliminated seniority. ...now, I love seniority, but the postcard method of 98 was my favorite.

I would rather the block method where it mattered where you were in line. You guys remember that? I enjoyed meeting new people in 'line'!

pjsteelerfan

DS114969 wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I guess the poblem with the post card method now, is if there are "limits" to the number of fan club tickets to a show like the last few years, do you just mail back peoples money orders and say sorry?

There's no perfect method. I think the changes have been due to PJ management trying to find the best way.

Yup, I hope they do what they feel is best. They should just make the specturm shows unlimited for fan club tickets during the window tickets are on sale or the shows sell out- which ever happens first.

CJMST3K

crazypjfan wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I'd rather go back to the postcard method of 1998! That was great and fair! It also eliminated seniority. ...now, I love seniority, but the postcard method of 98 was my favorite.

I would rather the block method where it mattered where you were in line. You guys remember that? I enjoyed meeting new people in 'line'!

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

The 98 mail order system had them determined by when your mail order came it. The current system has them in order of seniority. Both of these methods allow for you to enjoy touring the city... with other PJ fans, if you're so inclined!

Jennytree

CJMST3K wrote:

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

Welcome to Europe

Anywho, I agree with D2D - while it's lucky for those of us who have easy access, it's an unfair advantage. It's actually easier for me to buy tickets IN work - guaranteed a decent, fast and work connection to buy them.

Get_Right

the only problem with the lottery or mail order systems is that they are not transparent
who knows what really goes on when they process or "randomly select" people for tickets???
there was rampant favoritism when the dead used to do its mail orders back in the day

by lottery I mean how they did the EV shows, not giving up the first two rows for random assignment-which I continue to favor

there is no perfect method
but an advance online sale seems to be the best way to insure everyone has a fair shot at 10C tix

cowboypjfan

CJMST3K wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

I'd rather go back to the postcard method of 1998! That was great and fair! It also eliminated seniority. ...now, I love seniority, but the postcard method of 98 was my favorite.

I would rather the block method where it mattered where you were in line. You guys remember that? I enjoyed meeting new people in 'line'!

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

The 98 mail order system had them determined by when your mail order came it. The current system has them in order of seniority. Both of these methods allow for you to enjoy touring the city... with other PJ fans, if you're so inclined!

I met many cool people in line for the Italy GA shows. I guess that was a little different because we were able to drink any type of alcohol while waiting.

CJMST3K

Jennytree wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

Welcome to Europe

Anywho, I agree with D2D - while it's lucky for those of us who have easy access, it's an unfair advantage. It's actually easier for me to buy tickets IN work - guaranteed a decent, fast and work connection to buy them.

But I've had it a number of times where I have tickets in my Shopping Cart in Goods, and I click Checkout... and poof, gone, never to return... and shut out of TC tickets. Ten Club's system current online selling is about as accurate as throwing a ping-pong ball into a fish bowl from 10 feet away. It's just as random as the postcard lottery, just unintentionally and due to a poor working server.

decides2dream

Jennytree wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

Welcome to Europe

Anywho, I agree with D2D - while it's lucky for those of us who have easy access, it's an unfair advantage. It's actually easier for me to buy tickets IN work - guaranteed a decent, fast and work connection to buy them.

hahahahaha...indeed!
and it was fun, but yea....preparty in verona was FAR more fun!
you absolutely have to take the entire day off from work, or use up a good chunk of your vacation day, whatever....to do that. there are pros/cons to any system, but i would say simply that americans have grown quite accustomed to assigned seating, whether thru TM tix or the 10c....and only small venue shows go the free-for-all.


actually, i still prefer buying my tix from home. if it ain't broke, why fix it? i have a great home connection and while i would assume i have a great connection at work, i still feel it's faster at home...or simply, no distractions, no 'worries' of someone coming up to me right in the midst of it with work to do right NOW. :shock: however, this time around...unless the sale is over the weekend - quite unlikely - i will have to try my luck at work. at least it's july and not mid-august or early september, b/c then it would be impossible. i could try and get mr. dream to do so, but he is not well versed in the nuances of trying for 10c tix, and alas...i also think he'd give up too easily.


but yea...bottomline, it is unfair advantage to those of us with all-day access and quick-access simple due to the nature of our work.

cowboypjfan

CJMST3K wrote:

Jennytree wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

NOOOO!! Standing for hours in line, because the longer you stood in line, the better your tickets were? It's much better to have them determined beforehand.

Welcome to Europe

Anywho, I agree with D2D - while it's lucky for those of us who have easy access, it's an unfair advantage. It's actually easier for me to buy tickets IN work - guaranteed a decent, fast and work connection to buy them.

But I've had it a number of times where I have tickets in my Shopping Cart in Goods, and I click Checkout... and poof, gone, never to return... and shut out of TC tickets. Ten Club's system current online selling is about as accurate as throwing a ping-pong ball into a fish bowl from 10 feet away. It's just as random as the postcard lottery, just unintentionally and due to a poor working server.

Maybe you need a lesson at fish bowl pong Just wait til those Philly shows and I'll show you how to play pong

DewieCox

If you had problems with the recent PJ ticket sales, outside of being too late, you're not very patient or smart.

CJMST3K

DewieCox wrote:

If you had problems with the recent PJ ticket sales, outside of being too late, you're not very patient or smart.

This was for DC 2006. Got them in my cart after refreshing for like 20 minutes, then when attempting to checkout the tickets got lost. Then I refreshed for 75 more minutes as it said "Temporarily Out Of Stock" and then "Sold Out".

You're intriguing me... what exactly would you have done differently?

decides2dream

CJMST3K wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

If you had problems with the recent PJ ticket sales, outside of being too late, you're not very patient or smart.

This was for DC 2006. Got them in my cart after refreshing for like 20 minutes, then when attempting to checkout the tickets got lost. Then I refreshed for 75 more minutes as it said "Temporarily Out Of Stock" and then "Sold Out".

You're intriguing me... what exactly would you have done differently?

there's the rub - no one will ever tell you.
like to point out that you're none too smart or patient....but no one ever gives you the 'tips' as what to do.

i'm just gettin' old....i seemingly 'forget' all the tips i've been told/learned, hahaha.....but i'm not complaining, i've been very fortunate. however, you just never know wtf is gonna happen with each sale, especially for shows in the NE!

bgirl59

pjsteelerfan wrote:

They are deciding between puting them up right away and everyone crying about that, or setting a date and the site crashing and everyone crying about that.

I love it when the funny guy throws in!!
Thanks for some truth pjsteelerfan!!

DewieCox

Not sure about 06. I waited a day for Chicago 1 and 2 and got tix to both shows.

The site will be a bit jammed for a very short time, but after it should be a breeze.

I can see the gripes with the immediate sales, but that really plays into the most fervent fans' hands.

superfuzz30

DewieCox wrote:

Not sure about 06. I waited a day for Chicago 1 and 2 and got tix to both shows.

The site will be a bit jammed for a very short time, but after it should be a breeze.

I can see the gripes with the immediate sales, but that really plays into the most fervent fans' hands.

I agree it was easy, but that was one of the first just pop them up there attempts...now more ppl expect it...Also seating capacity makes somewhat of a difference in this case...

United Center: 23,500
Spectrum: 18,369