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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    JB811 wrote:

    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.
    No, but it will likely continue the trend....everything I've read about these tribes says that they will NEVER be intimidated or forced into submission. attempt to do so, and it becomes an issue of honour and revenge to them.....It's a losing battle, guaran-fucking-teed. or genocide, take your pick. These are the same people the US set up the USSR against to break their economy and spirits!
    Torture will only make it worse, unless genocide is your plan. If we're going to try to do business with people living a life based on centuries of tradition, we won't be able to do it by force.

    The Star Wars analogy ( :roll: )....So if we are stupid enough to fly to the opposite side of the world, take a bus to the very edge of civilization in Pakistan, wander into the mountains, stumble across a group of Pashtun tribesmen and oops! get beheaded....that's a reason to invade and torture? Fuck, I hope no tourists ever get offed wandering into the wrong 'hood in LA or NY......Cause by that logic, your military has a lot of work to do in your own slums...
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited May 2009
    JB811 wrote:
    Haha Mancow Muller? Everyone in Chicago knows he is an idiot.
    He was the first person who came to my mind when I read the title of this thread. lol

    An idiot on air, and I mostly don't agree with him, but I still find him entertaining.. Did anyone catch him on Anthony Bordain?
    Post edited by LikeAnOcean on
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    I'm a fan of Bourdain, I never would have expected him to be lined up with a guy like Mancow to show him around the city. I'd rather some no-name home towner show him the hidden joints than some windbag transplant.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    edited May 2009
    Commy wrote:
    JB811 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.

    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.
    like in somalia , after US forces killed 30,000 people, according to conventional wisdom, they finally got their hand on one of our pilots. they treated him with respect and gave him medical treatment for his wounds and released him.


    they're human beings. even if they are hardline militants.
    when dancing in the streets after a person(s) is murdered.................they are no longer human beings and it speaks volumes for their culture.
    Post edited by ajedigecko on
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Right....
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    ajedigecko wrote:
    when dancing in the streets after a person(s) is murdered.................they are no longer human beings and it speaks volumes for their culture.

    I think it speaks volumes for the conditions they've lived under their whole lives....

    Why would these people be so angry that they'd celebrate the death of a young man they didn't know? Not asking that question is akin to fighting terrorism without looking into it's root causes. You're judging a culture with no empathy and no interest in backstory.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Drowned Out wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    when dancing in the streets after a person(s) is murdered.................they are no longer human beings and it speaks volumes for their culture.

    I think it speaks volumes for the conditions they've lived under their whole lives....

    Why would these people be so angry that they'd celebrate the death of a young man they didn't know? Not asking that question is akin to fighting terrorism without looking into it's root causes. You're judging a culture with no empathy and no interest in backstory.

    Um excuse me but I could care less about there goddamn culture.. :x What kind of culture celebrates death ?And you think we should have empathy for a group of people that were responsible for 911 or are Muslim extremist ? :? IMO that's not a culture that's what's called Ideology or what they call Jihad.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Um excuse me but I could care less about there goddamn culture.. :x What kind of culture celebrates death ?And you think we should have empathy for a group of people that were responsible for 911 or are Muslim extremist ? :? IMO that's not a culture that's what's called Ideology or what they call Jihad.
    you're very smart.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Um excuse me but I could care less about there goddamn culture.. :x .
    You're kidding. I never would have guessed.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    What kind of culture celebrates death ?And you think we should have empathy for a group of people that were responsible for 911 or are Muslim extremist ? :? IMO that's not a culture that's what's called Ideology or what they call Jihad.

    So what’s your plan then, bub? Kill ‘em all?

    These people have likely lived with violent death, disease and famine as an everyday occurrence for generations….and I’d bet they’ve all been touched by one of these things personally (read: dead friends and family). There is a good chance that they point the fingers at foreign interests when laying blame for these conditions/occurences (directly or thru support of the corrupt govt/warlords that are in control).

    Empathy is not just saying, ”oh, if I saw a dead person, I wouldn’t cheer about it; they’re uncivilized….inhuman even” :roll: It’s not looking at THEIR situation from YOUR point of view…it’s putting yourself in their shoes….which entails a lot more than the soundbytes and Hollywood accounts of the story. You have to consider more than that specific moment in time if you’re going to analyze someone’s behaviour, no? It’s not so black and white…

    and yes, I suggest you empathize with every sentient being on the planet; why not?….it’s called UNDERSTANDING….try it sometime.
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    prfctlefts wrote:

    Um excuse me but I could care less about there goddamn culture.. :x What kind of culture celebrates death ?And you think we should have empathy for a group of people that were responsible for 911 or are Muslim extremist ? :? IMO that's not a culture that's what's called Ideology or what they call Jihad.

    So when Bush annoucned the Afganistan invasion you didn't cheer Yeah!! Fuck those Arabs!!! Gimme a break. Thats no different to the sentiment that they are displaying but I know your not going to get it :roll:
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    yeah... sure did ..that's exactly what I did :roll: this is coming from someone who thinks its smart to let their stupid ass dog drive their car :lol::lol:
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    Nothing smart ass about it. America like the rest of the world jumped as one with a " Yeah! Lets get them fuckers!!!" When Bush announced he was invading Afganistan. Thats the way things work. They cheer when they kill westerners, we cheer when we kill taliban and their bretheren. If you don't want to see that we are one the same when it comes to that because "Your nothing like them" then good luck with that.

    My punk ass won't be going anywhere. Kinda like it around here.
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Austicman wrote:
    Nothing smart ass about it. America like the rest of the world jumped as one with a " Yeah! Lets get them fuckers!!!" When Bush announced he was invading Afganistan. Thats the way things work. They cheer when they kill westerners, we cheer when we kill taliban and their bretheren. If you don't want to see that we are one the same when it comes to that because "Your nothing like them" then good luck with that.

    My punk ass won't be going anywhere. Kinda like it around here.

    so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Austicman wrote:
    Nothing smart ass about it. America like the rest of the world jumped as one with a " Yeah! Lets get them fuckers!!!" When Bush announced he was invading Afganistan. Thats the way things work. They cheer when they kill westerners, we cheer when we kill taliban and their bretheren. If you don't want to see that we are one the same when it comes to that because "Your nothing like them" then good luck with that.

    My punk ass won't be going anywhere. Kinda like it around here.

    so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit

    Your miising the point. You go on about Afganis or Iraqis celebrating the death of a soldier and call it dispicable and can't understand why, when we as a people do the same when we kill a bunch of their militants.

    If you want my point of view on the current situation all you had to do was ask. I'm all for chasing down the Taliban and elimianting them but that didn't happen under Bush. He sent a tolken force to Afganistan and took the rest and invaded Iraq which had no Al-Qaeda or Taliban presence there before the invasion. Now Obama wants to push on in Afganistan and scale down the forces in Iraq. I would prefer he withdrew all forces from a Iraq but at least its a step in right direction. As as far as his plans for Afganistan goes I hope he wins the war there. How he does that I don't know. I'm not privy to all the goings on there and what would be the best strategy. I do know is that in the Australian area of operation the Orgunz province they have seen the violence reduced to its lowest level in many years. Maybe he should take a leaf out their book!
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    prfctlefts wrote:
    so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
    I think you'll find that most of the people on the train that have views which oppose yours on war, torture...O'Reily ;) etc, don't care who the president is (or was), or which party he's from, if he continues the foreign policy they disagree with.
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.

    This says it all for me.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Drowned Out wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
    I think you'll find that most of the people on the train that have views which oppose yours on war, torture...O'Reily ;) etc, don't care who the president is (or was), or which party he's from, if he continues the foreign policy they disagree with.

    I don't give a rats ass if you or anybody else agrees with me or not. But its funny how you and some others always dodge issues or chang the subject especially when facts are laid out in front of you that expose your hypocrisy and far left ideology .
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited May 2009
    Drowned Out wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Um excuse me but I could care less about there goddamn culture.. :x .
    You're kidding. I never would have guessed.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    What kind of culture celebrates death ?And you think we should have empathy for a group of people that were responsible for 911 or are Muslim extremist ? :? IMO that's not a culture that's what's called Ideology or what they call Jihad.

    So what’s your plan then, bub? Kill ‘em all?

    These people have likely lived with violent death, disease and famine as an everyday occurrence for generations….and I’d bet they’ve all been touched by one of these things personally (read: dead friends and family). There is a good chance that they point the fingers at foreign interests when laying blame for these conditions/occurences (directly or thru support of the corrupt govt/warlords that are in control).

    Empathy is not just saying, ”oh, if I saw a dead person, I wouldn’t cheer about it; they’re uncivilized….inhuman even” :roll: It’s not looking at THEIR situation from YOUR point of view…it’s putting yourself in their shoes….which entails a lot more than the soundbytes and Hollywood accounts of the story. You have to consider more than that specific moment in time if you’re going to analyze someone’s behaviour, no? It’s not so black and white…

    and yes, I suggest you empathize with every sentient being on the planet; why not?….it’s called UNDERSTANDING….try it sometime.

    I was referring to to Alqeda and the Taliban not afghan or Iraqi civilians.. Jesus man :roll: and yeah that is the plan kill all of them cos if you dont their gonna kill our soldiers unless they surrender. were fighting this war to win. Do you honestly think you can reason with Alqeda or the Taliban ? If so you need to give your haed a shake cos it's not going to happen :?
    Post edited by WaveCameCrashin on
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    so what makes you so sure of that? and what should we have done when we got attacked Nothing ? what about when Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan what were your thoughts on that. or better yet Obama is the current president and he's got drones droppin bombs on villages and I haven't heard word out of some of you. your hypocrisy is bull shit
    I think you'll find that most of the people on the train that have views which oppose yours on war, torture...O'Reily ;) etc, don't care who the president is (or was), or which party he's from, if he continues the foreign policy they disagree with.

    I don't give a rats ass if you or anybody else agrees with me or not. But its funny how you and some others always dodge issues or chang the subject especially when facts are laid out in front of you that expose your hypocrisy and far left ideology .

    Sorry man, but you too never respond too well to your hypocrisy and ideology.
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Like what ?

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