Radio host waterboarded live on air

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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
    How it feels to be waterboarded is not really my fake area of expertise today, but i wouldn't imagine it would be terribly pleasant.

    Could you please at least youtube your attempt for me. I'd love to see it. Should be easy enough to do. Just get one of your buddies to video it, post it up and share.

    Mmmm k.

    Thanks.

    :mrgreen:

    sorry dude I dont have a video camera or I would just to make you and every one happy mmmmk thanks
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    edited May 2009
    prfctlefts wrote:

    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned. These are cold blooded killers they would cut your head off and not think twice about doing so. and you're worried about them being water boarded. you guys are freakin nuts. Some of you people are really strange :?




    Nationalism maybe the worst disease afflicting human beings today. this posts suggests it.



    you are not better than anyone, simply because you are american.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    water boarding. :roll: Give me a fuckin break I've been held down for longer than 45 sec surfing waves down in puerto Escondido and central America. you guys are a bunch of pussies. Sign me up
    How it feels to be waterboarded is not really my fake area of expertise today, but i wouldn't imagine it would be terribly pleasant.

    Could you please at least youtube your attempt for me. I'd love to see it. Should be easy enough to do. Just get one of your buddies to video it, post it up and share.

    Mmmm k.

    Thanks.

    :mrgreen:

    sorry dude I dont have a video camera or I would just to make you and every one happy mmmmk thanks
    yeah i want to see this too. see you get tossed in a 20 foot wave for a minute or so. lets see it tough guy.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Commy wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:

    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned. These are cold blooded killers they would cut your head off and not think twice about doing so. and you're worried about them being water boarded. you guys are freakin nuts. Some of you people are really strange :?




    Nationalism maybe the worst disease afflicting human beings today. this posts suggests it.



    you are not better than anyone, simply because you are american.
    im better than a cold blooded killer and so are you dude cmon man use youre fuckin head :roll:
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    so freakin what they're not even americans, they dont even qualify as humans as far as Im concerned.



    see what i was referring too? you said it.






    jefrey dahmer had rights. and rightfully so. when you suspend rights, even for these suspected killers, its a small step to suspending OUR rights. you see that don't you?


    It why we give the neo-nazi's a right to say their bullshit. the second free speech is assaulted, dissidents are next in line. so first we shut up the neo-nazis, then its on to the anti war folks, then its on to third party folks, then its on to ...you get the idea.


    we can't let them go through this door.


    You must uphold the law, especially when its inconvenient.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.

    So they definitely only ever did or intended to do this is the future to people who had already been convicted of murder?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    edited May 2009
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    The main difference between these scenarios we are watching and the ones that occur in real life is that the person is being waterboarded by someone they know is fearing for their safety. "Oh are you alright" ya like the army guy or the private mercenary waterboarding a suspect is going to care if the person is alright. When you are waterboarded by a person whom you know does not give a shit if you die then I'd like to see you sign up. I'd like to see you willing go into a room to be waterboarded by a killer.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I get it commy I always have I just like to talk shit on here sometimes cos it get people all worked up over nothing. but seriously I have a real hard time sticking up for cold blooded killers.
    I just don't see this as getting worked up over nothing. Maybe if i was in the Porch talking about which photo Eddie looks hot in, or how nice it is to be a part of the whole big happy jamily, then i would be more inclined to not feel such a need to be so passionate about certain issues.

    To me, patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about my country. When I see the fundamental values of this nation being assaulted and when I see our moral authority slipping away, i can't stay silent.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.

    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    JB811 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.

    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.
    like in somalia , after US forces killed 30,000 people, according to conventional wisdom, they finally got their hand on one of our pilots. they treated him with respect and gave him medical treatment for his wounds and released him.


    they're human beings. even if they are hardline militants.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Do you ever defend what our troops do or do you just hate them all of the time?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    JB811 wrote:
    Do you ever defend what our troops do or do you just hate them all of the time?


    as soon as people stop signing up to kill, for a paycheck or college education or nationalism or haliburton, when that day comes, we could see the first step in ending war.


    do you ever question what they do or do you just blindly support them because that's the nationalist thing to do?
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    edited May 2009
    I don't blindly support them, they aren't perfect. However most of what they do is good. For many of these people it is the only way they can afford college, for some it is a way to show a country that gave them citizenship some thanks. Some were born into it and it is a family tradition. I doubt very many are signing up for Halliburton.

    You will never see the end of war, face reality.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    JB811 wrote:
    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right?
    The Jawas were cool. The Ugnaughts were cool. Kenny Baker as Artoo was cool. But George had to push his luck. I'd just like to take a moment to remind everyone that the Ewoks were not cool. Period.

    Carry on...
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    JB811 wrote:
    I don't blindly support them, they aren't perfect. However most of what they do is good. For many of these people it is the only way they can afford college, for some it is a way to show a country that gave them citizenship some thanks. Some were born into it and it is a family tradition. I doubt very many are signing up for Halliburton.

    You will never see the end of war, face reality.


    nothing is perfect. trying to come as close as possible -that's the goal. so maybe war won't end. but we sure as hell can avoid things like the Iraq invasion and the afghanistan invasion and the Panama invasion and the overthrow of the democratically elected regimes in Guatamela or Nicaragua, if we care to try.


    most of what they do is good? conventional ideology is on my side in this case, that is absolute bullshit. unless your definition of "good" means "good for US business and hegemony" then i suppose your right. but that means us soldiers are fighting and killing and dying for corporate greed and state power. so in a sense, they are fighting for haliburton and its bottom line, for Washington and its sphere of influence.

    the only institution with the authority to end war is the UN, and in order for it implement its policies, the US needs to get in line, to cede a little sovereignty for the common good.,

    but nationalism and pride and rednecks get in the way of that goal, so we may have a ways to go yet.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    JB811 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Let's not forget that these are ALLEGED terrorists. Granted, KSM made it very clear that he was proud of what he was able to accomplish. Now, this is the United States of America. Innocent until proven guilty. If we are going to be the shining city on the hill that Ronnie kept talking about, we have to live up to that standard. We don't torture. While these men were captured in the field of battle, in the United States we give them due process. That doesn't mean that we're "concerned more about the legal rights of terrorists than our own citizens"...it means that we have a moral standing in the world that we have to keep. When we lower our moral standard (torture, Gitmo, Iraq War, blind support for Israel), that's when people get pissed and want to do harm to us.

    Of course if one of us were caught in the tribal regions of Pakistan or Afghanistan they would line up like the Ewoks did to C3PO, right? Hardly. Somehow I'm guessing we would be headline news on Al-Jazeera with the beginning of the footage showing some guy in a mask with a big knife and the ending of said footage with your head held high in the air. Dumping water on someone or making people form pyramids in their underwear did not cause that to happen.

    So I guess you don't care how the US is viewed around the world?
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    I do, but I wouldn't at the sake of sacrificing American lives.

    Do you care what people think of you? If someone talks shit behind your back are you going to cry, run away, confront them, beat them up, or are you going to ignore them because they are too much of a coward to say it to your face?
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Commy wrote:


    nothing is perfect. trying to come as close as possible -that's the goal. so maybe war won't end. but we sure as hell can avoid things like the Iraq invasion and the afghanistan invasion and the Panama invasion and the overthrow of the democratically elected regimes in Guatamela or Nicaragua, if we care to try.


    most of what they do is good? conventional ideology is on my side in this case, that is absolute bullshit. unless your definition of "good" means "good for US business and hegemony" then i suppose your right. but that means us soldiers are fighting and killing and dying for corporate greed and state power. so in a sense, they are fighting for haliburton and its bottom line, for Washington and its sphere of influence.

    the only institution with the authority to end war is the UN, and in order for it implement its policies, the US needs to get in line, to cede a little sovereignty for the common good.,

    but nationalism and pride and rednecks get in the way of that goal, so we may have a ways to go yet.


    So you want a World Government? You are so un-anarchist.

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