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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So just to be clear......there are people who are surprised that a textbook narcissist and pathological liar would try to make Memorial day about himself?? :o
    Lol. It's not really that it surprises me he thinks it or anything. What stuns me over and over again is that he doesn't filter it for appearance's sake, or that someone isn't monitoring every Tweet and stopping all the idiotic ones from getting sent. Surely Trump is aware by now that many of his tweets are damaging to him.... but he  just doesn't care. That's the weird part.
    He paid off a porn star for Chrissakes... there is literally nothing damaging to him at this point.  It's a sad commentary on the lives of the sycophants.  
    Which leads again to the question. ......

    What' worse?
    The lying narcissist who'll say anything he wants no matter how hateful, ignorant, racist, etc.?
    Or the person who supports him and his behavior?

    And when his party wins the house and Senate in a few months? Just watch him fire Rosie and  Bobby, uh oh. 

    Dems need to learn the lessons of the last four congressional elections. So far this year, they are not impressive.
    What are you using to gauge not impressive? They’ve flipped seats at the state level already. Dems probably won’t flip the Senate but they have a decent chancenwith the House. Mueller will probably be done late July/early August, and we’ll see what the fallout is from there. 



    To add to my other reply above, losing the House would be an absolute disaster for the Ds. Decent chance for the House?? Thats enough to give me agita  .

    If they lose... I would guess ... Mueller and Rosie would be fired by the end of 2018 (rumors are Mueller will not be releasing any major reports before election day), Medicare and social security would be privatized by 2019 and, any other guesses? Obamacare completely repealed?

    And Trump would be an overwhelming favorite for four more years. America loves to root for the winners.

    Yes Dems, you better figure this House race out before November.


    Who is Rosie?  And I think your rumors are completely wrong.  Mueller will likely release his report to Rosenstein by July or August, which would include any further indictments.  I would not expect Trump to be one of those, but could be a un-indicted co - conspirator.  That will not be public.  It will then go to the respective judiciary committees.  At that point, Rosenstein will have the choice to redact and release the report to the public.  He is under no legal obligation to do so, but I'm sure the pressure will be enormous.  

    Your predictions about Trump are total guesses and probably worth nothing (like everyone else's).  There are too many variables in play between now and 2020. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    One can only imagine.


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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    One can only imagine.


    Clearly Stormy is nearby. That looks like the exact size.
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Everytime I see Trump's press conferences I laugh because he's like some comical clown figure, someone you might expect from a Austin Powers movie. Then I remember, this guy is the president of the USA and in charge of the free world.
    Trump hasn't given a proper press conference in well over a year. Don't be fooled by these little things with foreign leaders where they're both required to take a few questions. Or when reporters are forced to shout questions to him while he walks to Marine One. These things are not press conferences. 
    Noted. I was actually wondering if I should use 'press conferences' when typing that post. Let's say 'media ambush' lol.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    I saw this article and also noticed Boehner made these remarks.
    • Trump is "most unusual person we've elected" as president, Boehner said.
    • Trump won the election fairly, Boehner said.
    • If all the "noise" surrounding the president is taken away, his policies are "by and large" good things from a Republican standpoint.
    • On the state of politics: "It's too divided. The left and the right are gnawing at each other" and the press is "throwing gasoline on it."
    • On foreign affairs: Boehner said foreign countries are "thrilled the U.S. is leading" again and that Trump is "doing the right thing" on foreign policy.
    • On a potential trade war: Boehner said he doesn't believe Trump is trying to start a trade war, but wants to get people to the negotiating table.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    tbergs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    I saw this article and also noticed Boehner made these remarks.
    • Trump is "most unusual person we've elected" as president, Boehner said.
    • Trump won the election fairly, Boehner said.
    • If all the "noise" surrounding the president is taken away, his policies are "by and large" good things from a Republican standpoint.
    • On the state of politics: "It's too divided. The left and the right are gnawing at each other" and the press is "throwing gasoline on it."
    • On foreign affairs: Boehner said foreign countries are "thrilled the U.S. is leading" again and that Trump is "doing the right thing" on foreign policy.
    • On a potential trade war: Boehner said he doesn't believe Trump is trying to start a trade war, but wants to get people to the negotiating table.

    Huh.  I don't get the sense that other countries are "thrilled" by how the US is "leading" these days.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,633
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    He’ll go down as the historical marker of the dying segment of the population that represents our past racism and xenophobia. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    He’ll go down as the historical marker of the dying segment of the population that represents our past racism and xenophobia. 
    The failure of the baby boomers is really astounding.  BrianLux aside of course...
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/national/president

    One of the exit polls was first time voters. The majority of those voted for Clinton. Now that’s not exactly what your asking but it’s what I could find fast :)
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
    There will be research papers and books written about this.  Pollsters classify people into registered and likely voters.  At the state level, they missed huge swaths of voters that they did not consider likely, but evidently voted.  The polls were accurate at the national level, it's the state where things went wrong with the polling.  
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,633
    mrussel1 said:
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
    There will be research papers and books written about this.  Pollsters classify people into registered and likely voters.  At the state level, they missed huge swaths of voters that they did not consider likely, but evidently voted.  The polls were accurate at the national level, it's the state where things went wrong with the polling.  
    And the people reporting they were undecided was higher than normal, which I think threw up a red flag for Nate Silver, if I remember right. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    tbergs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    I saw this article and also noticed Boehner made these remarks.
    • Trump is "most unusual person we've elected" as president, Boehner said.
    • Trump won the election fairly, Boehner said.
    • If all the "noise" surrounding the president is taken away, his policies are "by and large" good things from a Republican standpoint.
    • On the state of politics: "It's too divided. The left and the right are gnawing at each other" and the press is "throwing gasoline on it."
    • On foreign affairs: Boehner said foreign countries are "thrilled the U.S. is leading" again and that Trump is "doing the right thing" on foreign policy.
    • On a potential trade war: Boehner said he doesn't believe Trump is trying to start a trade war, but wants to get people to the negotiating table.
    Lol. Some of these ring true. Yes, Trump's unusual. Yes, if all the "noise" is taken away, his policies are largely good from a Republican point of (which is not a compliment as far as I'm concerned!), but the "noise" is a BIG deal - it has a direct impact on international relations and on everyone in America. Obviously yes, US politics are too divided and the right and left are gnawing at each other and yes, the media is fueling it, although i'm not sure what other option the media has, considering. HAHAHAHA about other countries being thrilled and about the US leading again and that Trump is doing any of the rights things. The exact opposite things are true - that comment made him a bald faced liar. And HAHAHAHA about Trump not trying to start a trade war. He has already started a trade war, and is badly damaging negotiations, which he's never been in in good faith in the first place.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    edited June 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    John Boehner, of the glassy-eyed Boenhers says there is no GOP; there's a Trump Party.
    https://www.axios.com/john-boehner-no-republican-party-trump-party-8c840a45-a526-410d-9d7a-d93d11ae99e4.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    I've been feeling that way for a while now.  Trump is going to go down as one of the most important people in US history...however this all plays out.
    He’ll go down as the historical marker of the dying segment of the population that represents our past racism and xenophobia. 
    The failure of the baby boomers is really astounding.  BrianLux aside of course...
    Agreed. The baby boomers as a whole group and as a political force have wound up a disaster for future generations in many ways (always taking into account individual exceptions).
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    I look forward to the Cambridge Analytica, russian troll bots and Team Trump Treason’s campaign analysis by Team Mueller. $1,000,000 a day buys you something. Maybe 88,000 votes in three swing states?
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
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    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/grieving-mother-after-meeting-trump-it-was-talking-toddler/amp

    Grieving mother after meeting Trump: 'It was like talking to a toddler'


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    "Empathy gap".. that's a generous way of putting it. 
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
    There will be research papers and books written about this.  Pollsters classify people into registered and likely voters.  At the state level, they missed huge swaths of voters that they did not consider likely, but evidently voted.  The polls were accurate at the national level, it's the state where things went wrong with the polling.  
    I was just curious if the people who didn't vote decided to vote for Trump because they saw him as the anti-politician...

    Something definitely went wrong...



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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    mrussel1 said:
    Something I've always wondered ... Is there a way that pollster were able to determine how many people who voted for Trump that don't normally vote? 
    There will be research papers and books written about this.  Pollsters classify people into registered and likely voters.  At the state level, they missed huge swaths of voters that they did not consider likely, but evidently voted.  The polls were accurate at the national level, it's the state where things went wrong with the polling.  
    I was just curious if the people who didn't vote decided to vote for Trump because they saw him as the anti-politician...

    Something definitely went wrong...



    I don't know if it's anti-politician, but he certainly did a good job of stoking white fear among the older crowd.  

    Something went wrong and continues to go wrong every day.  
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    I was very interested in a non-political business man/woman type candidate.  Unfortunately Trump is what we got....I was hoping more for someone that was use to working in a system and being accountable to a board and stockholders....not someone that ruled their business like a king and is now ruling their country like a king.

    Trump might be the biggest hypocrite of all considering all the comments about Obama that he has doubled down on.  Then again, maybe that 40% that like him are the biggest hypocrites in the world.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    edited June 2018
    The NK summit is back on, for June 12th in Singapore - Waffling Trump changed his mind, lol. Embarrassing.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    those idiots previously stated that June 12th, after cancellation, would be unattainable. 

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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    edited June 2018
    I was very interested in a non-political business man/woman type candidate.  Unfortunately Trump is what we got....I was hoping more for someone that was use to working in a system and being accountable to a board and stockholders....not someone that ruled their business like a king and is now ruling their country like a king.

    Trump might be the biggest hypocrite of all considering all the comments about Obama that he has doubled down on.  Then again, maybe that 40% that like him are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

    One problem is having a two party system.  In theory you could have two candidates that are at two extremes and the people in the center have to sell their souls to vote for either of them. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    I was very interested in a non-political business man/woman type candidate.  Unfortunately Trump is what we got....I was hoping more for someone that was use to working in a system and being accountable to a board and stockholders....not someone that ruled their business like a king and is now ruling their country like a king.

    Trump might be the biggest hypocrite of all considering all the comments about Obama that he has doubled down on.  Then again, maybe that 40% that like him are the biggest hypocrites in the world.
    Obviously someone who has spent his entire life surrounded by yes-men was going to struggle with the actual grind of slow-moving process and people who disagree with him.  I was worried about that, along with his general lack of qualification, from day 1 (though I think I still underestimated just how ill-suited he was to things that don't come easy).  One of the things we tend to idealize in America is the idea that success / money are totally self-made and indicative of hard / smart work.  It validates the wealthy and gives the rest of us (or our kids) something to shoot for.  Well Trump was "born on third" and most of us think he "got a triple."  He's not self-made at all. I would not even call him a successful businessperson.  So if you want a businessperson to get the job...yeah, wrong guy.  

    That said, I'm definitely not sold on a businessperson being president.  I know, I know, "career politicians" are the worst.  But we are, at least to an extent, learning a bit about someone with no governmental experience doing the most demanding governmental job in the country, if not the world.  So could a reasonable, sane, self-made one do it?  Maybe.  But as someone that's worked primarily in government, the cliche/platitude of "government should run more like a business" always makes me chuckle.  Of the public offices I've worked in, I promise you that conservatives (and, hopefully, liberals) would be most unhappy with those that act most like businesses.  What do businesses want to do? Grow.  And I worked for one that did just that.  And it was, among the places I've worked, probably the poorest at stewardship of public money.  That said, this does not mean a businessperson cannot do it.  But I get a little weary / cautious about the idea.  I also get a little weary about the whole "private employee good; public employee bad" belief that so many people have.  And the current guy does blatantly illegal things because in his first public job, he does not understand his role (but, you know, it's Trump, so we should not project that on the next person).
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    "That letter was a very nice letter. Oh, would you like to see what was in that letter. How much? How much?" Trump teased reporters after his meeting.
    Minutes later, he breezily acknowledged he hadn't read it.
    "I haven't seen the letter yet. I purposely didn't open the letter," Trump said. "I didn't open it in front of the director. I said 'would you want me to open it?' He said you can read it later."
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    So are Americans concerned about this trade war Trump just started? I'm not really getting that impression. Just wondering.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,633
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/grieving-mother-after-meeting-trump-it-was-talking-toddler/amp

    Grieving mother after meeting Trump: 'It was like talking to a toddler'


    I posted this in another band’s forum that has several trump supporters I go around with. One guys response was “well why shouldn’t they be armed?”
     
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    PJ_Soul said:
    So are Americans concerned about this trade war Trump just started? I'm not really getting that impression. Just wondering.
    Yes, but it's Friday so they've escaped headlines by dropping it before the weekend. At this point its just a pissing match to see who will fold first, with most of the piss coming from the US. Bullying on an international level, or as John Boehner referred to it, "leading" and "doing the right thing".
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mrussel1 said:
    "Empathy gap".. that's a generous way of putting it. 

    Remember when he had his 'empathy cheat card'? Cue words and expressions to use when talking to grieving survivors?

    He's got no f**king clue how to be empathetic- he's never been his entire, silver spoon fed life. He's completely out of his element concerning himself with others.
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