Wouldn't a nostalgia act be a band who wheels out the same 20 or so songs (maybe mixing up 2-3 songs) for 90 minutes each night? I understand differing opinions and how some would prefer new music while others just want to see shows. But when I think of nostalgia, I hardly think of Pearl Jam. I think over the course of 2 nights in the same city, you'll likely see 50-60 different songs and a near 3 hour show each night. Not what some of these current nostalgia acts are doing.
I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happy
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.
If I had any faith that I'd actually like the new songs and that they wouldn't just make me feel like PJ has completely lost their inspiration as a band, I'd feel the same way.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I remember seeing the Rolling Stones in 2005. I was happy to see them, of course, they were one of the legendary rock bands of all time. But it felt like just a fun, nostalgia thing. I think one could argue that the Stones in 2005 were like the PJ of today, granted they were about a decade older.
When I saw the Stones in 2005, their recent history was: Dirty Work (1986) Steel Wheels (1989), Voodoo Lounge (1994), Bridges to Babylon (1997), A Bigger Bang (2005). So, 5 albums in 20 years. Pearl Jam has released 5 albums in the last 20 years. PJ's time between albums has steadily gone up in the past dozen years.
When I saw the Stones, they were kind of thought of as a caricature. They were already thought of as old dudes and that is 13 years ago! You were going to see a huge stage show, fireworks, and dudes playing their hits from a quarter-century ago. When you go to PJ, you go to see a guy swinging from globes in a massive ballpark playing their hits from a quarter-century ago.
So, after I saw the Stones once in 2005, I had very little urge to see them again. I mean, I would, but I wasn't going to travel a great distance or spend $250 to see a nostalgia act again. I think I've kind of reached that point with PJ. I get good seats with the fan club. And ticket prices, though they've gone up, haven't gotten out of hand. So I'll see them, but just to have a good time... watch a guy swing from the aforementioned globes, probably catch a marriage proposal on stage... but it's just a big spectacle in a ballpark these days, just like the Stones were at PNC Park in Pittsburgh in 2005.
From a legacy standpoint, I much prefer bands who end it at the right time rather than drag out their career to cash in on touring revenue. I think it tarnishes the legacy. If your heart isn't in it for the right reasons, please be done with it. I guess I have to give the obligatory, "That's just me, as a fan talking." I know they do good with their money. Doing a little touring allows them comfortable lives and allows them to do good deeds. I get it. I think what we see here on the boards is that's it's a very, very fine line to maneuver. Many fans are saying the same things I am (except they're not quite as longwinded)
The Beatles studio albums came between 1963 - 1970. Zeppelin's studio albums came between 1969 - 1979 (1982 if you count Coda). Roger Waters felt Pink Floyd was a "spent force" after The Final Cut, so he was fine with it ending after a run of 1967 - 1983. "Spent force"... sorry, that's what PJ is for me today. That's what the Stones were for me in 2005. That's what The Who has been for as long as I remember... seriously, Pete and Roger are still going on under the very lucrative title, "The Who"? I bet research has shown that a "Townshend/Daltrey" moniker wouldn't sell as well.
I'm pretty much right in line with what you have stated. We got a shit ton of material between 1991 - 2003, but it's been a lot of nothing since then. I'd be generous and include 2006 in that span as well since I do really enjoy Self Titled and that tour was their last massive one.
I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happy
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.
I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happy
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.
If I had any faith that I'd actually like the new songs and that they wouldn't just make me feel like PJ has completely lost their inspiration as a band, I'd feel the same way.
What I am curious about is that where Eddie channels his creative energy into. It is inconceivable to me that he doesn't create anymore, but in some different shape and form, I guess.
What I am curious about is that where Eddie channels his creative energy into. It is inconceivable to me that he doesn't create anymore, but in some different shape and form, I guess.
Coming up with new reasons to tell the family he has to go to ANOTHER Cubs game?
3 years, 4 months between Pearl Jam and Backspacer 4 years, 1 month between Backspacer and Lightning Bolt 4 years, 7 months (and counting) between Lightning Bolt and Album #11
Been a fan of this band for about 24 years now. Unfortunately, for me, it feels more like a nostalgia act these days than anything else. I think of Ed saying (at R&R Hall of Fame induction) something along the lines of being halfway done, or halfway to the honor. It just seems so insincere. There is almost zero proof that this band is hungry and wanting to create great music these days. Stone made a comment a few years ago... something about music that's not as difficult as their early days, as in easier to replicate on stage. I took it as, "We don't want to be bothered with challenging ourselves anymore."
There's been 1 album since PJ20, and that album felt very much like the previous one, nothing people were blown away by. I have no problem with the band doing whatever they want at whatever pace they want, but my hope would be the payoff would be worth the 5 years of waiting. For example, Radiohead takes a while between albums (they're also at that mid-life, families, other interests portion of their lives), but they're not churning out "Sleeping By Myself" and "Let the Records Play". It took 4+ years to get Backspacer. It took 4 1/2 to get Backspacer Part 2,... whoops, I mean Lightning Bolt.
I have tickets to Wrigley and later this year, but Christ... I've already done that twice. When I heard "forthcoming album", I thought, "well good, finally I'll see some shows supporting a new album". Now it's sounding like probably not.
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I used to be in the boat as long as they tour I’m good to go but now I can’t anymore to many Betterman’s , evenflows , RITFW , Yellowledbetter I won’t be attending any shows this year maybe in the future but for now I’m done ..
Definitely agree they seem to be turning in to a nostalgia act these days. We don't know if it's by choice or not. The creative juices may have dried up...? Can't Deny Me isn't very encouraging if that's the best that they come up with after 4-5 years of no music.
But hey, I love these guys no matter what and will always appreciate what they've given us.
I don't understand the "Don't Cry" or "Doom and Gloom" replies. To me, questioning this band in the present day is calling a spade a spade. I never thought this band would do the bare minimum to keep the "Pearl Jam" name going and have it continue being a revenue source. I think the output from the past decade is disappointing, but that's because I believed that this band would always continue to create, evolve, etc. Believe me, I'm not crying... just finding better, more inspired music elsewhere.
I don't understand the "Don't Cry" or "Doom and Gloom" replies. To me, questioning this band in the present day is calling a spade a spade. I never thought this band would do the bare minimum to keep the "Pearl Jam" name going and have it continue being a revenue source. I think the output from the past decade is disappointing, but that's because I believed that this band would always continue to create, evolve, etc. Believe me, I'm not crying... just finding better, more inspired music elsewhere.
So much amazing music being created outside of the Pearl Jam bubble.
I don't see it as doom and gloom, and I don't fault anyone for feeling the way they do. I was annoyed however by the Can't Deny Me experience. I'm not clamoring for new music, so to see so many people (not everyone, certainly, but many) take ten seconds to go from "GIVE US NEW MUSIC!!!" to "THIS MUSIC SUCKS!!!" was a bit irritating. I wasn't impressed by that song, but it wasn't something I was waiting for with a ton of excitement, either. When the album comes, it comes.
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
1992-07-21 Vancouver
1993-9-4 Vancouver
1996-9-16 Seattle
1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
2000-11-6 Seattle
2001-10-22 Seattle
2002 -12-09 Seattle
2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2 2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
Out with the old, in with the new. If you want an honest “guitar” band that isn’t trying to be “cool” and rocks your face off, check out Greta Van Fleet. They give us hope for rock music in the future.
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
Well, everybody's taste is different, so not sure exactly what you're a fan of. Albums from the last couple years that I've really enjoyed are:
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
There is SO much great music being made, and not just by really well-known bands (though I am surprised you have only heard 2 new albums in an entire year that you liked.... perhaps that means you might be well-served by extending your reach in terms of what you're listening to). I find fantastic new songs and albums and artists consistently - literally on a daily basis. But to be fair, most don't have the kind of opportunity that I do to explore and discover all this amazing music that's being made ... I spend a good 30 hours a week seeking out and pouring over music I've never heard before, since I work in front of a computer all day with music going 80% of the time.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
Erika Wennerstrom's new solo record. If you are into guitars, this has what you're seeking. The War On Drugs - A Deeper Understanding. Again, guitars, guitars, and guitars. Whole bunch of em' Albert Hammond Jr's new solo album. Holy shit guitar tornado by a guitar master. Nathanial Rateliff and the Night Sweats - Guitars and etc., to shake your ass to Calpurnia - 'City Boy' single. Little dude from Stranger Things has a band and they are pretty fucking good for a bunch of kids. The Districts - Popular Manipulations. Under the radar awesome band. Local Natives - Sunlit Youth. Your Sunday afternoon guitar record. The Beaches - Late Show. Stomperrific guitar record might make you run around your living room naked. The Hold Steady - "Eureka" single. An active guitar hero band. Bernard Fanning - Brutal Dawn. Lead singer for one of Australia's all time best rock band's 'Powderfinger' continues his solo journey with lots of guitars.
Still think surprise album is coming this year, folks.
So do I
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Definitely agree they seem to be turning in to a nostalgia act these days. We don't know if it's by choice or not. The creative juices may have dried up...? Can't Deny Me isn't very encouraging if that's the best that they come up with after 4-5 years of no music.
But hey, I love these guys no matter what and will always appreciate what they've given us.
Agreed. Although I think they've been a nostalgia act for about the last decade to everyone except the die hard fans like us.
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
Erika Wennerstrom's new solo record. If you are into guitars, this has what you're seeking. The War On Drugs - A Deeper Understanding. Again, guitars, guitars, and guitars. Whole bunch of em' Albert Hammond Jr's new solo album. Holy shit guitar tornado by a guitar master. Nathanial Rateliff and the Night Sweats - Guitars and etc., to shake your ass to Calpurnia - 'City Boy' single. Little dude from Stranger Things has a band and they are pretty fucking good for a bunch of kids. The Districts - Popular Manipulations. Under the radar awesome band. Local Natives - Sunlit Youth. Your Sunday afternoon guitar record. The Beaches - Late Show. Stomperrific guitar record might make you run around your living room naked. The Hold Steady - "Eureka" single. An active guitar hero band. Bernard Fanning - Brutal Dawn. Lead singer for one of Australia's all time best rock band's 'Powderfinger' continues his solo journey with lots of guitars.
Gotta dig my friend. Stay off the damn radio.
Thanks man for the music to check out. Listened to about half of these already. The Districts are from the next county over from me..very good band.
I love this band because of the music that exists, not the music that might potentially exist in the future. If we get a new album, great. If we don't but they keep touring, great. The shows are what keeps me coming back. If that makes me a fanboy, so be it.
This is exactly where I'm at. I honestly don't care when the next album comes out. As long as I can keep seeing shows once every couple years, I'm happy
Such the opposite for me but I realize I’m way in the minority. I’d rather have new songs over new tour dates.
Wouldn't a nostalgia act be a band who wheels out the same 20 or so songs (maybe mixing up 2-3 songs) for 90 minutes each night? I understand differing opinions and how some would prefer new music while others just want to see shows. But when I think of nostalgia, I hardly think of Pearl Jam. I think over the course of 2 nights in the same city, you'll likely see 50-60 different songs and a near 3 hour show each night. Not what some of these current nostalgia acts are doing.
I'm not so sure about that. They have about 15 or so songs they play most every show, and some of these tunes, I hate to say, are starting to not age well. It hurts to say that.
How about balance, some fans don't mind the hour plus of hits at the show, but also think new and fresh creativity is essential to a quality concert
^^Really? I've found that there's been a steady decline in good new music (particularly any music with guitars) over the past 5 years or so. Last year, I think the National and Wolf Parade's albums were the only ones I really liked. Out of interest, are you able to list 10 really great albums that have come out in the past year or two? Not saying this as a challenge, but rather out of interest, so that I can check them out.
Erika Wennerstrom's new solo record. If you are into guitars, this has what you're seeking. The War On Drugs - A Deeper Understanding. Again, guitars, guitars, and guitars. Whole bunch of em' Albert Hammond Jr's new solo album. Holy shit guitar tornado by a guitar master. Nathanial Rateliff and the Night Sweats - Guitars and etc., to shake your ass to Calpurnia - 'City Boy' single. Little dude from Stranger Things has a band and they are pretty fucking good for a bunch of kids. The Districts - Popular Manipulations. Under the radar awesome band. Local Natives - Sunlit Youth. Your Sunday afternoon guitar record. The Beaches - Late Show. Stomperrific guitar record might make you run around your living room naked. The Hold Steady - "Eureka" single. An active guitar hero band. Bernard Fanning - Brutal Dawn. Lead singer for one of Australia's all time best rock band's 'Powderfinger' continues his solo journey with lots of guitars.
Gotta dig my friend. Stay off the damn radio.
The new Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats album is probably my album of the year (right now). It's so damn good.
And don't forget about the new Ben Harper/Charlie Musselwhite album - really good blues album.
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2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
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disappointed no new album
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But hey, I love these guys no matter what and will always appreciate what they've given us.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
1993-9-4 Vancouver
1996-9-16 Seattle
1998-7-19 Vancouver, 7-21 Seattle, Memorial Stadium
2000-11-6 Seattle
2001-10-22 Seattle
2002 -12-09 Seattle
2009-8-17 Manchester, 9-25 Vancouver
2011-6-16 Seattle (EV), 9-3/4 PJ20, 9-25 Vancouver
2012-6-27 Amsterdam (#2!)
2013-11-29 Portland, 12-4 Vancouver, 12-6 Seattle
2014-AUS - 1-26 Sydney, 1-31 Adelaide, 2-11/12 EV Sydney State Theatre, 2-13 EV Opera House
2014 - USA - Memphis, Detroit, MOLINE, St. Paul, MILWAUKEE, Denver, 25/26 Bridge School
2016 - Lexington, Philly x 2, MSG x 2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Toronto x 2, Pemberton, Fenway x 2, Wrigley x 2
2018 - Seattle x 2, Missoula, Fenway x 2
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
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Erika Wennerstrom's new solo record. If you are into guitars, this has what you're seeking.
The War On Drugs - A Deeper Understanding. Again, guitars, guitars, and guitars. Whole bunch of em'
Albert Hammond Jr's new solo album. Holy shit guitar tornado by a guitar master.
Nathanial Rateliff and the Night Sweats - Guitars and etc., to shake your ass to
Calpurnia - 'City Boy' single. Little dude from Stranger Things has a band and they are pretty fucking good for a bunch of kids.
The Districts - Popular Manipulations. Under the radar awesome band.
Local Natives - Sunlit Youth. Your Sunday afternoon guitar record.
The Beaches - Late Show. Stomperrific guitar record might make you run around your living room naked.
The Hold Steady - "Eureka" single. An active guitar hero band.
Bernard Fanning - Brutal Dawn. Lead singer for one of Australia's all time best rock band's 'Powderfinger' continues his solo journey with lots of guitars.
Gotta dig my friend. Stay off the damn radio.
Ryan Adams Prisoner record.
So much guitar, so much good.
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....????
How about balance, some fans don't mind the hour plus of hits at the show, but also think new and fresh creativity is essential to a quality concert
And don't forget about the new Ben Harper/Charlie Musselwhite album - really good blues album.
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II