Could Binaural have been a 'classic' double LP?

2-feign-reluctance · May 2016

Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

pearldavidson · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.

Put me in that 1% then. I love the studio version and I'm dying to hear it live.

pearldavidson · May 2016

pearldavidson said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
Put me in that 1% that loves "You Are" then. I love the studio version and I'm dying to hear it live.

pearldavidson · May 2016

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pearldavidson · May 2016

Geeze I just had a shitload of technical difficulties with my last couple posts lol wtf

EarlWelsh · May 2016

2-feign-reluctance said:
Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

I thought Yield.

SVRDhand13 · May 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

my2hands said:
I am unaware of the original tracklisting
from wikipedia:

When the track listing for Binaural was first released in late March 2000, it was quite different from the final version.[52] Some tracks that were originally on the album were dropped and not released until the 2003 rarities compilation, Lost Dogs,[44] and "Gods' Dice" was added to the final version. The original version is as follows:

"Breakerfall"
"Insignificance"
"Evacuation"
"Letter to the Dead" (Later renamed to "Sad")
"Rival"
"Grievance"
"Light Years"
"Of the Girl"
"Thin Air"
"Nothing as It Seems"
"Fatal"
"Sleight of Hand"
"Soon Forget"
"In the Moonlight"
"Parting Ways"
"Education"

I'm sorry but this track listing would have been atrocious.

SVRDhand13 · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20 and philly 1 this past year. after they played it at philly 1 Ed said something along the lines of "we shouldn't play that one again live." yea I understand some of you will defend these songs like you wrote them but realize 99% of the crowd listening to them will be checking their phones as they are being played.

EV messed ITM up a bit in Philly (and admitted to it). Tampa had a much better version.

PJNB · May 2016

EarlWelsh said:

2-feign-reluctance said:
Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?
I thought Yield.

BettrMan21 · May 2016

Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".

SVRDhand13 · May 2016

BettrMan21 said:
Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".

Yep I'm listening to the boot now

mcgruff10 · May 2016

BettrMan21 said:
Just checked YouTube and at Philly 1 after In the Moonlight Ed said "Fucked that up a little bit, sorry about that".

It might have been off mic. ( I was pretty close)

EnterThanman · May 2016

bootlegger10 said:
People like me would probably say it would have been a stronger single LP if they left off Breakerfall, God's Dice, Thin Air and Evacuation.

Whoa! Those are all very significant songs to that record.

Binaural is perfect as is. The songs they left off are in my opinion weaker than the ones they left on, and the final tracklisting is perfection.

EnterThanman · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.

I'm alright with that. I'm there to hear PJ tunes I like, couldn't care less if the rest of the crowd isn't into it.

mcgruff10 · May 2016

EnterThanman said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
I'm alright with that. I'm there to hear PJ tunes I like, couldn't care less if the rest of the crowd isn't into it.

Yeah that s a typical hardcore pj fan response .

SmallestOceans · May 2016

2-feign-reluctance said:
Hitchhiker was also Binaural era wasn't it?

I almost never listen to that song, but did today. What an underrated song! That drum break in the middle is real nice!!

ledvedderman · May 2016

Hitchhiker is from the Binaural sessions

jp307677 · May 2016

The last half of the original tracklist would have been one slow somber song after the other. Too much

ED477 · May 2016

The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.

BrainofBGA · May 2016

Agree with the OP. I think this was their moment to release a double LP. While I like the original content of the track listing the actual order of it probably wasn't the best.

Could've been their 'white album' moment.

Having said that I do like Binaural but maybe it was a missed opportunity?

RS151862 · May 2016

igotid88 said:
I don't think they knew at the time they were going to release a b-sides and rarities album.

They definitely knew they were doing a b-sides album, it was part of their original contract with Epic. They were obligated to do 7 albums, a b-sides album and a greatest hits album. But i doubt they'd save any material for a b-side album, Id assume every record they released included what they believed to be their strongest material.

RS151862 · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.

I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.

weeble · May 2016

Sad and In The Moonlight just doesn't sit right with me for some reason. I do like them, but they just don't sound like Pearl Jam to me, almost like they were covers or something. I'm kinda glad they didn't make it to the release.

That said, Sleight of Hand is just weird, wouldn't have minded if they just left that one off and kept Fatal or something.

Either way, it's a cracking album!!

HughFreakingDillon · May 2016

ED477 said:
The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.

I says PARDON????

RS151862 · May 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

ED477 said:
The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.
I says PARDON????

Ha, easy.. It was just a fan made compilation with the lost dog tracks added in. Not an official release.

Ledbetterman10 · May 2016

RS151862 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.

But can't that argument sorta be made for nearly every song from Riot Act, Avocado, and Backspacer? You're implying that "deep cuts" from the post-2000 albums (the least popular albums) only interest people obsessed with Pearl Jam right?

Also, even though I get what you're trying to say, you're wrong about the "people posting on the forum" thing. I know a lot of "hardcore" fans that have been to many shows, want to hear their favorite rare songs (You Are for example), and have never once posted on this forum.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2016

RS151862 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ED477 said:
The Binaural Deluxe double disc version floating around a couple years back was excellent. I recommend you look for it if you don't have it and are a fan of this album.
I says PARDON????
Ha, easy.. It was just a fan made compilation with the lost dog tracks added in. Not an official release.

oh. phew.

bootlegger10 · May 2016

EnterThanman said:

bootlegger10 said:
People like me would probably say it would have been a stronger single LP if they left off Breakerfall, God's Dice, Thin Air and Evacuation.
Whoa! Those are all very significant songs to that record.

Binaural is perfect as is. The songs they left off are in my opinion weaker than the ones they left on, and the final tracklisting is perfection.

Thin Air is definitely b-side material in my book. I love 95% of the b-sides so I'm not saying this in a negative way.

I think those three rock songs are the weakest on any of their albums (expect for Backspacer's GSMF and Supersonic). Great b-sides, songs that I would want to hear live, but not strong enough for an album...imo.

RS151862 · May 2016

Ledbetterman10 said:

RS151862 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:
With "you are" as #1, evacuation could be the second worst live song performed by pj. I won't even rank in the moonlight since it wasn't good enough to make binaural but it was terrible at pj20
You Are rules and Josh Homme performing with Pearl Jam was awesome.
You are rules for 1% of the crowd. Otherwise it s like watching paint dry.
I'm with Mike on that. You Are is only interesting to those of us posting on the forum. 95% of the crowd is immediately on their phone checking facebook and the twitter machine when that song starts.
But can't that argument sorta be made for nearly every song from Riot Act, Avocado, and Backspacer? You're implying that "deep cuts" from the post-2000 albums (the least popular albums) only interest people obsessed with Pearl Jam right?

Also, even though I get what you're trying to say, you're wrong about the "people posting on the forum" thing. I know a lot of "hardcore" fans that have been to many shows, want to hear their favorite rare songs (You Are for example), and have never once posted on this forum.

I was just implying hardcore fans when I said people that post on the forum. I know a lot of huge fans don't post here.

And yes, I think the majority of people at a PJ show are casual fans that aren't interested in rare songs. It's what's great about Ed, he manages to play all those huge songs people love and weave the rarities into the set that we love.

Gern Blansten · May 2016

I'm not a big fan of Breakerfall but God's Dice is the shit. It's probably one of my top 10 overall

I like Evacuation as well.

Could Binaural have been a 'classic' double LP?

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