The Alt-Left

vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
edited July 7 in A Moving Train
you've heard the term.  but what does it really mean?  well, i have some thoughts.  first, what are yours?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,340
    Doesn’t exist.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,373
    edited July 7
    Not heard the term. Racist, rightwingers trying to make the term happen to remove the POS-cloud hanging over themselves and their own racist opinions?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 12,400
    Never heard of it.
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  • Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys EarthPosts: 322
    edited July 7
    To me it is like 'reasonable Trump supporter', 'Santa Claus', 'Unicorns' and my chances of being happy and successful.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 16,956
    edited July 7
    Idiots that "climb" the statue of liberty and think it will bring change when they just end up annoying people and driving them away from their cause.  Note:  Getting to the base of the feet of the statue of liberty isn't climbing the statue of liberty.  It's crawling.  If I can do it, it isn't climbing.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,170
    Jason P said:
    Idiots that "climb" the statue of liberty and think it will bring change when they just end up annoying people and driving them away from their cause.  Note:  Getting to the base of the feet of the statue of liberty isn't climbing the statue of liberty.  It's crawling.  If I can do it, it isn't climbing.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,340
    [1] The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    A lot of folks seem to forget all about the 1st, so infatuated with the 2nd they seem to be.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,200
    [1] The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    A lot of folks seem to forget all about the 1st, so infatuated with the 2nd they seem to be.
    Those "folks" are the so-called "good Americans" who love the constitution  until you bring up first amendment rights or the separation of church and state.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 14,979
    [1] The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    A lot of folks seem to forget all about the 1st, so infatuated with the 2nd they seem to be.
    Those "folks" are the so-called "good Americans" who love the constitution  until you bring up first amendment rights or the separation of church and state.
    Fuck em
  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 DetroitPosts: 901
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    edited July 7
    Gtilley8 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
    "I ain't no Democrat, but sure as hell ain't no fuckin Republican either"
    Post edited by vaggar99 on
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,200
    edited July 7
    vaggar99 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
    "I ain't no Democrat, but sure as hell ain't no fuckin Republican either"
    From 1984....


    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 444
    vaggar99 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
    "I ain't no Democrat, but sure as hell ain't no fuckin Republican either"

    Those that refuse to vote democrat this year for Congress are pertpetuating the Trumpian deathgrip on democracy.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    vaggar99 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
    "I ain't no Democrat, but sure as hell ain't no fuckin Republican either"
    From 1984....


    he looks really high...heroin?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,542
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    "Something comes along and you have to jump on and do it.  You can't stop until it's done."
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,677
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,542
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    "Something comes along and you have to jump on and do it.  You can't stop until it's done."
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    vaggar99 said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    to me its anyone who calls you a Nazi, KKK etc for offering a slightly contradictory viewpoint to the Left mindset.  There are whole groups on Facebook infested with these people.  That's right, I said infested.
    There's not a "slightly contradictory viewpoint" going on here. It's a radical change of this country's established system and laws. To get there, the GOP needed to co-opt racists, religious zealots, and the anti-science idiots.  If someone truly only has a "slightly contradictory viewpoint," then it's incumbent upon them to realize the above, distance themselves, call the above groups out as not sharing your values, and send these groups back to the dark corners of the internet and the ass backwards towns they came from.  I'm not seeing any of that from the political right. You either have a problem with your party, that no longer represents your political and social views, or you're ok with it.  If someone leaning right in their views is sick of bring called a Nazi, racists, KKK, etc.....maybe it's time to stop voting in line with them.  
    "I ain't no Democrat, but sure as hell ain't no fuckin Republican either"

    Those that refuse to vote democrat this year for Congress are pertpetuating the Trumpian deathgrip on democracy.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,931
    mickeyrat said:
    Good article. It’s a way white supremacists have piggy backed blind hatred of the left and mainstreamed their message. 

    “By trying to create the idea of a just-as-radical side on the left, it lends credence to his argument that there is blame on “both sides” for the violence that erupted in Charlottesville. Also, it’s an easy way to charge up supporters.”
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,542
    edited July 7
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,340
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,931
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
    I’m not even sure how well organized it is. But now the right wingers who hate liberals label any counter demonstrators to white sumpremacist rallies as antifa. Which is a crafty manipulation by the right where they end up supporting white supremacists by validating their message. 

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,340
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
    I’m not even sure how well organized it is. But now the right wingers who hate liberals label any counter demonstrators to white sumpremacist rallies as antifa. Which is a crafty manipulation by the right where they end up supporting white supremacists by validating their message. 

    Just another false equivalency in a long list of them. It’s what you do when you can’t win in the arena of ideas and facts.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 4,655
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
    I’m not even sure how well organized it is. But now the right wingers who hate liberals label any counter demonstrators to white sumpremacist rallies as antifa. Which is a crafty manipulation by the right where they end up supporting white supremacists by validating their message. 

    Is that much different than the rhetoric of labeling anyone who is choosing to continue their support of conservatives as a racist, Nazi loving white supremacist? 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,542
    edited July 7
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
    Not that I know of, but they are known to willingly physically attack anyone who does not go along with their agenda.   That is much closer to terrorism than putting sand in the crankcase of a bulldozer or pulling up survey stakes on a proposed road through wilderness. 
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 2,789
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    It's an attempt add to the derogatory terms used to troll liberals, terms such as:

    Commie
    Pinko
    Left Wingnut
    Libtard
    Snowflakes
    Cuck
    PC
    Regressive Leftie
    SJW
    Tumblrina


    I thought AINTFA was the alt-left?
    Could be, though I thought "AINTFA" stands for "Ain't we fuckin' awful". 

    I'm not opposed to radical notions or protest groups in general or sabotage or civil disobedience, etc., but when I think about a group like Antifa that practices extreme hate and violence... well, then I think of John Lennon's words:

    But when you talk about destruction
    Don't you know that you can count me out

    I'm not down with Antifa either, but it does seem like we have a few here on this board....no names.  And John Lennon was a wife beater, so maybe his words are a bit hypocritical?
    Sadly, I have heard that about Lennon.  I was thinking about the song more than the man. 

    Whoa, you really think there are Antifa members here?  I would hope not. 

    I was thinking about the words "sabotage" and "terrorism" recently while reading Jon Krakauer's Into the Wild .  As much as I'm a Krakauer fan, there's point in that  book at which (I should have noted where) where Jon makes an EGREGIOUS error by referring to Edward Abbey's The Monkey Wrench Gang being a book about a gang of "eco-terrorists".  NO, GODDAMN IT JON, THEY ARE  NOT TERRORISTS, THEY ARE SABOTEURS!  Abbey knew the difference and there is a major difference between the two.  Saboteurs do damage to, or destroy property.  Terrorists do harm to, or kill people.  BIG DIFFERENCE! 

    Most Antifa are not saboteurs, they are terrorists.
    Has antifa killed anyone? And I don’t support antifa.
     
    good. you had me worried.
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