Las Vegas massacre.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fucking Alex Jones says this is a false flag event perpetrated by the democrats. weasel. 

I am actually pissed just to share the same last name with him.

and your first name is damn close too, isn't it?

You know, I never even thought of that - I must have been in denial, lol. Shit!

Go Beavers

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

JimmyV

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

oftenreading

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

I don't even want to try googling that

HughFreakingDillon

he was reportedly not hurting for money. he owned several properties, wired his GF in the Philippines $100K after she went there.....he was apparently very good with real estate.

Surprised Trump hasn't complimented him yet. 

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

The shooter was a millionaire.  He didn't need the money.

KC138045

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

I don't even want to try googling that

yeah I would think the FBI would be knocking on your door after that google search

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

The shooter was a millionaire.  He didn't need the money.

Were his current financials released? Just because he was also a high stakes gambler, so it's not hard for someone like that to get cash poor real fast. And if he started just selling everything off maybe that would raise red flags, not least of all with his girlfriend. Plus he clearly had to keep the $100K he sent to the Philippines.

I'm having a little trouble believing that his girlfriend was completely oblivious to a single shred of anything that would suggest his motives btw. I call bullshit, and even if it is true, jesus, what a miserable, weird fucking relationship that must have been.

KC138045

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

The shooter was a millionaire.  He didn't need the money.

Were his current financials released? Just because he was also a high stakes gambler, so it's not hard for someone like that to get cash poor real fast. And if he started just selling everything off maybe that would raise red flags, not least of all with his girlfriend. Plus he clearly had to keep the $100K he sent to the Philippines.

I'm having a little trouble believing that his girlfriend was completely oblivious to a single shred of anything that would suggest his motives btw. I call bullshit, and even if it is true, jesus, what a miserable, weird fucking relationship that must have been.

I think his brother knew some things too or at least had to have some suspicions.  The more I read about the shooter the more I think there is no way someone close to him had no idea what he was planning.

PJ_Soul

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

Interesting. 

I didn't read through the tweets and I'm unlikely to, as I'm not on twitter and find it a ridiculous medium in which to convey larger chunks of information.

The shooter appears to have planned this for years. If ISIS had anything to do with this, it was not in the motive or even the means. Was he just looking for information? Logistical support? Kindred disaffected spirits??

I suppose if he needed money (and it does sound like this probably cost him a lot), then ISIS would be good people to tap, and his belief system would probably be irrelevant to ISIS. How one goes about contacting ISIS to get money out of them is beyond me, but obviously there are ways. Er, maybe they simply have websites with contact email addresses, I dunno.

The shooter was a millionaire.  He didn't need the money.

Were his current financials released? Just because he was also a high stakes gambler, so it's not hard for someone like that to get cash poor real fast. And if he started just selling everything off maybe that would raise red flags, not least of all with his girlfriend. Plus he clearly had to keep the $100K he sent to the Philippines.

I'm having a little trouble believing that his girlfriend was completely oblivious to a single shred of anything that would suggest his motives btw. I call bullshit, and even if it is true, jesus, what a miserable, weird fucking relationship that must have been.

I think his brother knew some things too or at least had to have some suspicions.  The more I read about the shooter the more I think there is no way someone close to him had no idea what he was planning.

Who knows, although it's totally feasible for a brother to not know anything. Sounds to me like they had next to nothing to do with one another for years, which isn't uncommon for family, so to me, that is totally believable. Doesn't sound to me like his brother was "someone close to him" at all. But the GF fucking lived with the guy. That I can't buy.

HesCalledDyer

PJ_Soul said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Situation diffused.  Supposedly we'll have police on site from 2-4pm at every entrance just in case.

That's good! Wow, that's crazy. Do you know any details about the situation?

Nothing other than it was an unstable employee making threats. I would assume former employee, not current. Either way, I'm sure he's no longer employed now. 

HughFreakingDillon

we need to stop assuming people close to him knew something was up. imagine people who commit suicide. look at Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell. no one close to either of these guys had a fucking clue what they were about to do. and all relationships are different. there is every possibility the shooter had a relationship that wasn't of the norm. I mean, seriously, he "sent her" to the Philippines, and she just went along with it? Sounds like, from what I've read, he was pretty controlling and she was the type that didn't ask questions. She assumed he was dumping her. Sounds like an odd relationship, but again, that doesn't means she knew shit. Doubtful she knew a damn thing.

the brother was shocked, but he also didn't even live in the same state as the guy. they clearly weren't close. I mean, my brother could do something like this and I wouldn't have had the faintest idea that it was coming. We live in the same city, but only talk and see each other at family functions, a few times a year.

it's one thing to look for answers, but a whole other deal to be blaming those close to him for not acting on suspicions they probably had no reason to have.

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

we need to stop assuming people close to him knew something was up. imagine people who commit suicide. look at Chester Bennington and Chris Cornell. no one close to either of these guys had a fucking clue what they were about to do. and all relationships are different. there is every possibility the shooter had a relationship that wasn't of the norm. I mean, seriously, he "sent her" to the Philippines, and she just went along with it? Sounds like, from what I've read, he was pretty controlling and she was the type that didn't ask questions. She assumed he was dumping her. Sounds like an odd relationship, but again, that doesn't means she knew shit. Doubtful she knew a damn thing.

the brother was shocked, but he also didn't even live in the same state as the guy. they clearly weren't close. I mean, my brother could do something like this and I wouldn't have had the faintest idea that it was coming. We live in the same city, but only talk and see each other at family functions, a few times a year.

it's one thing to look for answers, but a whole other deal to be blaming those close to him for not acting on suspicions they probably had no reason to have.

Agreed. I actually was thinking earlier how the rumors were starting to get as bad as Cornell's death guesses. It's like we as humans have some fascination with speculating the most obscure shit.

mickeyrat

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

the suicide kinda rules this out.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

the suicide kinda rules this out.

How so? Suicide has been the modus operandi for ISIS.

I think ISIS had nothing to do with this shitwad's event, but not because the shit coward committed suicide versus look at other human beings after his disgrace.

mickeyrat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

JimmyV said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

This woman is incredibly credible and smart when it comes to ISIS.  A lot of interesting things on her timeline.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

If he had any connection to isis, it would already be out. 

And even if they are somehow involved and the shooter converted to Islam six months ago as they claim (which I doubt) he did so with this attack in mind. This was a crime he wanted to commit. If ISIS somehow provided him with some crazed justification for it in his mind, he was still already radicalized six months ago. He wanted to murder people and he went looking for a reason to do so.

the suicide kinda rules this out.

How so? Suicide has been the modus operandi for ISIS.

I think ISIS had nothing to do with this shitwad's event, but not because the shit coward committed suicide versus look at other human beings after his disgrace.

not by gunshot.  abomination in islam

suicide bombing yes in that ideology, considered martyrdom.

but just plain vanilla suicide? simply to  avoid accountability? nope.


only he knew why. this was about control.

lastexitlondon

I had some fuckin clown on you tube message me about c.c. and how its murder and a conspiracy. Ffs i had found myself angry and getting very annoyed at this person
.seriously what is the  failure to except suicide. Its a massive killer of mainly men. Because people have money/wife/kids/job. Some sad folk think you are immune to mental health issues. ..... ignorance is a big part of all these events. Guns.murders. conspiracy. Stories that are assuming things. I judt despair most of the time. We probably all are only a stones throw away from some kind of mental breakdown. I know i am bang in the middle of it. I used to have a good job good wage. Wife 3 beautiful intelligent children. Friends, hobbies go to gigs. Travel Europe watching this wonderful band. Connections with many fellow fans. Now its in the main all gone. When chris cornell died i was in a place where i could visualise my own suicide it was so real to me that anyday or time could present a "right time" or way or place. Im alive still but i guess im trying to say the vast majority of people are closer than they ever know to total breakdown and system failure than thankfully they know. Peace and love to you all

brianlux

lastexitlondon said:

I had some fuckin clown on you tube message me about c.c. and how its murder and a conspiracy. Ffs i had found myself angry and getting very annoyed at this person
.seriously what is the  failure to except suicide. Its a massive killer of mainly men. Because people have money/wife/kids/job. Some sad folk think you are immune to mental health issues. ..... ignorance is a big part of all these events. Guns.murders. conspiracy. Stories that are assuming things. I judt despair most of the time. We probably all are only a stones throw away from some kind of mental breakdown. I know i am bang in the middle of it. I used to have a good job good wage. Wife 3 beautiful intelligent children. Friends, hobbies go to gigs. Travel Europe watching this wonderful band. Connections with many fellow fans. Now its in the main all gone. When chris cornell died i was in a place where i could visualise my own suicide it was so real to me that anyday or time could present a "right time" or way or place. Im alive still but i guess im trying to say the vast majority of people are closer than they ever know to total breakdown and system failure than thankfully they know. Peace and love to you all

It was just this afternoon that I was thinking about my theory that, because we live in such tumultuous times the average person would almost have to be a robot or totally out of touch with their senses and emotions to not be at least a little mentally damaged.   I know I am-- depression, anxiety and at times neurotic.  There is a stigma in our culture about such things but a lot of that is just undo fear-based reaction or even denial of ones own problems.  How can one not be a bit disturbed these days?  But here's the thing- I don't find that abnormal or "bad". 

The challenge to me is to learn good coping skills.  In my 30's and 40's I was cruising through life.  Wife, house, management position, money to burn.  But when things changed and I crashed badly.  I did not have the right coping skill and eventually I came very close to dying from ingesting about 100 tabs of Xanax and half a pint of whiskey.  Somebody found  me and by sheer luck, here I am.  That incident was followed by 4 years of living in limbo on the outskirts of hell and I almost went down again during that time.  I finally got through that mess with a combination of luck, some good suggestions and a lot of determination.  I started by getting counseling (and eventually being the assistant in that college program teaching counseling skills), doing volunteer work,  taking classes, getting back to working and rebuilding my life. 

I don't think I'm unusual.  I think I had luck but also determination and goals.  I had a little help from some friends but mostly I was fortunate to have counseling that taught me that the ONLY way I would get my life back was by wanting it and by doing the work.  This is true with anything.  Smokers only quite when they really want it and do the work.  Same with alcoholics.  Same with people like me with neurosis, clinical anxiety and depression.  The work never stops and the rewards vary but the biggest come from looking for good thing in life that exist despite the evil and the horrors and finding some way to make a useful contribution to the world , no matter how small.  

So all that to say this- it's past due time to remove the stigma of mental illness.  I'm also strongly of the belief that we need more and better and affordable counselors- people who understand the type of client centered therapy Carl Rogers developed.  The best goal of good counseling is to move a person needing help to taking action.  Delving into a persons past and convincing a client to just talk and talk and talk (we used to call that "Hollywood counseling) rarely helps in the long run.

Most importantly right here and now is to sincerely wish you well, lastexitlondon.  It takes courage to talk about your struggles.  I hope things turn around for you.  One thing for sure, you're in a good place here.  This band and these people here are pretty awesome.