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Las Vegas massacre.

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  • Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,183
    edited October 2017
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    I'm really curious of the demographics.  Seriously.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,138
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,311
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 31,728
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 18,432
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    I have.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 11,083
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    Nope, never have never will.  
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,417
    PJ_Soul said:
    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    No (I have absolutely no interest in firing guns. I might consider doing it at a gun range just to know what it's like if I didn't think it is pretty much the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of)

    Also a real question: What are the reasons that makes you think that's relevant?
    I'm really curious of the demographics.  Seriously.
    That question does not provide any info on demographics. 
     
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,843

    Real question.

    yes or no answer.

    I should create a poll actually...

    How many people here that want gun control/bans have fired the very guns that they want control/bans on?
    Fired guns I want banned?  No.   Fired guns I want controlled?  Yes.
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,138
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,843
    edited October 2017
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I was really curious as to how many US people want them controlled vs other countries.

    Something else I was curious about was to how many people have used them.  


  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,263
    edited October 2017
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.
    Interestingly enough, the Clinton era gun control laws regarding magazine sizes for pistols resulted in a who new breed of “micro” pistols being created that could easily fit into a pocket.  
    Frankly, I do not see a ban on ar-15s happening.  For one thing, they are like legos and are easily made by anyone with even the most basic engineering skills.  Prior attempts to ban parts from being sold online have resulted in instructions and parts that skirt the laws to make it even easier for a person to make one at home.  Unless a military type takeover happened with armed troops going door to door, they are here to stay.  I can support laws that are strict on background checks or requiring training for purchasers, but banning firearms or components is not the way to go in my opinion...I just think that, at this point, most mentioned regulations regarding ar-15s or similar firearms is legally (or politically) untenable.  How are you going to get that type of gun control when politicians that support it are not elected strictly because of that stance?  Seems like a waste of time and energy focusing on unobtainable regulations.  
    Guns have changed a lot since 1992.
  • brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.

    Hmmm.

    Interesting.

    You haven't fired a gun since 1992. And that just happens to be right around the time Viagra hit the market.

    No need to fire off a few rounds anymore eh?

    If we make Viagra cheaper than bullets... will you guys then agree to no more machine guns?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Paddocks hard drive is missing
    Paddocks brother busted for having "cheese pizza" on his computer
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,183
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,843
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    The question really is insignificant unless you know what the guns are, the reason for control/banning and the level of exposure if someone has used the weapons they are referencing. I'm not sure what you are hoping to glean from your question. Were you under the impression that most of us would have no experience with guns and be misinformed or unfamiliar with how they function?

    Just for clarification, I am specifically referencing semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15, M4, M-16 and the like. No reason a citizen needs one of those. I have fired hundreds, if not thousands of rounds, from these types of guns, but it's now been 10 years since I last shot anything. The only reason I did that much shooting to begin with is because my line of work at the time required it. I think all those types of guns should be strictly limited to police and military usage. That's where I'd like to start. I think there are other guns (long and hand) that should be added to the list. As much as I wish guns didn't exist, they do and I don't advocate for the banning of all guns in any way.
    I agree that it can be a false assumption to presume someone who is for banning certain guns is uneducated about fire arms.  For example, most people I know would be surprised if I told them I have fired a .38 caliber Police Special loaded with 158 grain full metal jacket, hollow point cartridges. It helps to know what you are talking about.  And I'm not for complete gun control but that firearm is small, easily concealed and extremely dangerous.  I believe there is every good reason for ridged screening of anyone wanting to purchase such a weapon and frankly, there is little or no reason for most people to have one. 

    Edit:  I should also mention that I have not fired a gun- not even once- since around 1992.

    Hmmm.

    Interesting.

    You haven't fired a gun since 1992. And that just happens to be right around the time Viagra hit the market.

    No need to fire off a few rounds anymore eh?

    If we make Viagra cheaper than bullets... will you guys then agree to no more machine guns?
    What the... :rofl:
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,843
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    I don't think it's relevant other than to illustrate that someone can change their thinking about such an issue.  I've never been a hug gun enthusiast but I'm far more concerned about the abuse, misuse, dangers of guns in America than I was 30 years ago.  There are more careless/dangerous/stupid/irresponsible people now than there were then.   The increased fascination with and acts of violence in America are clear evidence of that.
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 48,183
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    I don't think it's relevant other than to illustrate that someone can change their thinking about such an issue.  I've never been a hug gun enthusiast but I'm far more concerned about the abuse, misuse, dangers of guns in America than I was 30 years ago.  There are more careless/dangerous/stupid/irresponsible people now than there were then.   The increased fascination with and acts of violence in America are clear evidence of that.
    But that's what I don't get. Why would someone change their thinking about the issue just because they handled a gun? That doesn't change any of the facts.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,843
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am just not sure how having used guns is relevant to the issue of gun control. Do some people think that handling these guns somehow changes the statistics in their own brains? I could go out and take full on firearm training courses with several different kinds of weapons, and the still be able to look at all the gun ownership/gun violence and death stats, and consider the American gun culture overall, and reach the same conclusions I had already come to before ever handling a gun.
    I don't think it's relevant other than to illustrate that someone can change their thinking about such an issue.  I've never been a hug gun enthusiast but I'm far more concerned about the abuse, misuse, dangers of guns in America than I was 30 years ago.  There are more careless/dangerous/stupid/irresponsible people now than there were then.   The increased fascination with and acts of violence in America are clear evidence of that.
    But that's what I don't get. Why would someone change their thinking about the issue just because they handled a gun? That doesn't change any of the facts.
    No it doesn't-- maybe it's just a moot point.  (I like that word, "moot"  :smile: )
    "The earth- we could have saved it but we were too damn cheap and lazy."
    -Kurt Vonnegut










  • The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    Could have been the Russians, dont forget that James Clapper said that Russians can place "Cheese Pizza" on your computer.
  • JC29856 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    Could have been the Russians, dont forget that James Clapper said that Russians can place "Cheese Pizza" on your computer.

    It seems as if you're not quite prepared to relinquish that idea.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    Could have been the Russians, dont forget that James Clapper said that Russians can place "Cheese Pizza" on your computer.

    It seems as if you're not quite prepared to relinquish that idea.
    Anything is possible, cant rule anything out.
    Who woulda have thought Campos would seek asylum in Mexico after being shot.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,231
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    You know the brother has been crapping his pants since the shooting, he must have known his life was going to be under a microscope being related to the guy.
  • mace1229 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    You know the brother has been crapping his pants since the shooting, he must have known his life was going to be under a microscope being related to the guy.

    For sure. The gig was up.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mace1229 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    You know the brother has been crapping his pants since the shooting, he must have known his life was going to be under a microscope being related to the guy.
    This brother isnt the brother that was interviewed shortly after the shootings, this brother was another brother.
  • JC29856 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    You know the brother has been crapping his pants since the shooting, he must have known his life was going to be under a microscope being related to the guy.
    This brother isnt the brother that was interviewed shortly after the shootings, this brother was another brother.

    Regardless... a pooping of the pants did occur.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • KC138045KC138045 Columbus, OHPosts: 2,679
    JC29856 said:
    mace1229 said:
    The shooter's brother was arrested with child pornography.

    A family riddled with loser genetics.
    You know the brother has been crapping his pants since the shooting, he must have known his life was going to be under a microscope being related to the guy.
    This brother isnt the brother that was interviewed shortly after the shootings, this brother was another brother.

    Regardless... a pooping of the pants did occur.
    He could of used these.

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