Hillary Clinton: What happened

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,736
    edited September 12
    ^^^
    So her base is supposed to believe what?  That she is telling the truth that she is done as a candidate? Pleez

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,255
    scheiBe!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,255

    I don't think this will make the NYT best sellers.

    http://www.orbooks.com/catalog/how-i-lost/

    Judging by the stance of the leadership of the Democratic Party and much of the media, Hillary Clinton’s devastating loss in the presidential election of November 2016 was all the fault of pernicious Russian leaks, unwarranted FBI investigations and a skewed electoral college. Rarely blamed was the party’s decision to run a deeply unpopular candidate on an uninspiring platform.

    At a time of widespread dissatisfaction with business-as-usual politics, the Democrats chose to field a quintessential insider. Her campaign dwelt little on policies, focusing overwhelmingly on the personality of her opponent.

    That this strategy was a failure is an understatement. Losing an election to someone with as little competence or support from his own party as Donald Trump marked an extraordinary fiasco.

    The refusal of the Democratic leadership to identify the real reasons for their defeat is not just a problem of history. If Democrats persevere with a politics that prioritizes well-off professionals rather than ordinary Americans, they will leave the field open to right wing populism for many years to come.

    Drawing on the WikiLeaks releases of Clinton’s talks at Goldman Sachs and the e mails of her campaign chief John Podesta, as well as key passages from her public speeches, How I Lost By Hillary Clinton also includes extensive commentary by award-winning journalist Joe Lauria, and a foreword by Julian Assange, editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.

    It provides, in the words of the Democratic candidate and her close associates, a riveting, unsparing picture of the disastrous campaign that delivered America to President Trump, and a stark warning of a mistake that must not be repeated

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,663
    PJ_Soul said:
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
    Indeed. The misogynistic old boys club is still going strong in the US federal government for sure. Actually it's getting worse again, not better, for obvious reasons. Maybe when all those old boys finally die and Gen X and especially Millennials really start taking over things will change. Hopefully. The world would be a much better place if women were a much bigger factor in politics IMO. I'm not saying that female politicians aren't twisted as well - they are. But there is still a difference that they would bring to the table as a comparable group that would be a big improvement over total male domination.
    if women ruled the world, there would be world peace. I honestly believe this. 
    Sure cause they never hold grudges and act out violently.  Please.

    It may be better in the short term, long term it would be the same.  Woman are the same as men....human.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,878
    PJ_Soul said:
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
    Indeed. The misogynistic old boys club is still going strong in the US federal government for sure. Actually it's getting worse again, not better, for obvious reasons. Maybe when all those old boys finally die and Gen X and especially Millennials really start taking over things will change. Hopefully. The world would be a much better place if women were a much bigger factor in politics IMO. I'm not saying that female politicians aren't twisted as well - they are. But there is still a difference that they would bring to the table as a comparable group that would be a big improvement over total male domination.
    if women ruled the world, there would be world peace. I honestly believe this. 
    Sure cause they never hold grudges and act out violently.  Please.

    It may be better in the short term, long term it would be the same.  Woman are the same as men....human.
    Too bad women aren't treated the same as men. The world would be a better place if they were. Countries who educate their women have a better quality of life.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 6,419
    edited September 12
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 11,013
    PJ_Soul said:
    amethgr8 said:
    as long as emasculated males run the country we will not see an erect penis on TV or a woman in the white house.  I'm sorry, I hate to generalize, but I had to say it cause it's how I feel sometimes.  I am not without hope, but sometimes it's just obvious.
    COMPLETELY AGREE. 
    Indeed. The misogynistic old boys club is still going strong in the US federal government for sure. Actually it's getting worse again, not better, for obvious reasons. Maybe when all those old boys finally die and Gen X and especially Millennials really start taking over things will change. Hopefully. The world would be a much better place if women were a much bigger factor in politics IMO. I'm not saying that female politicians aren't twisted as well - they are. But there is still a difference that they would bring to the table as a comparable group that would be a big improvement over total male domination.
    if women ruled the world, there would be world peace. I honestly believe this. 
    Sure cause they never hold grudges and act out violently.  Please.

    It may be better in the short term, long term it would be the same.  Woman are the same as men....human.
    actually, i was going to come back to say this very thing, yes, it would be better in the short term, but in the long term, all are corruptible. you are right. 
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,097
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 10,912
    Who she blames for her loss is, in the long run, far less important than who and what is actually responsible for that loss. There are many reasons why Donald Trump is President today and Hillary Clinton is not. It's illogical to think she can or should take responsibility for all of them.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 11,013
    if Hillary takes all responsibility for Trump's win/her loss, then she isn't giving Trump enough credit that he won on his own merits. 
    if Hillary doesn't take all responsibility for Trump's win/her loss, then she's playing the blame game and is a whiner and needs to go away. 

    she can't win either way. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 6,860
    if Hillary takes all responsibility for Trump's win/her loss, then she isn't giving Trump enough credit that he won on his own merits. 
    if Hillary doesn't take all responsibility for Trump's win/her loss, then she's playing the blame game and is a whiner and needs to go away. 

    she can't win either way. 
    I can't comprehend how people seemingly need to reduce this binary outcome (win or lose) to a binary reason. There are a litany of reasons, all with varying degrees of impact, for the outcome of the election. Some of these traits or positions by a candidate appealed to some voters, and dissuaded others, in unknowable ratios. So why bother? 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,255



    If anyone can grab me a signed copy I'll throw some cash and merch otherwise l'll check the local library in a few weeks since my curiosity is peaked. I'm anxious to compare the book (public version) to the emails (private version).
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 8,740
    edited September 12
    JC29856 said:



    If anyone can grab me a signed copy I'll throw some cash and merch otherwise l'll check the local library in a few weeks since my curiosity is peaked. I'm anxious to compare the book (public version) to the emails (private version).
    Sorry, but you're not going to find Hillary waxing poetic about missing the taste of Comet Pizza while campaigning through Iowa.
     
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 6,419
    Kat said:
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
    Yes that was interesting.  I can't imagine the guts it took to sit up there and listen to that speech knowing she got 3 million more votes than that idiot.

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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,097
    edited September 12
    Absolutely, she sure did... and I can without reservation say that that was the first time George W Bush made me laugh. Picture the setting and him saying that...it was hilarious. 
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,255
    edited September 12
    see this here, Laura Loomer, Hilliary knows who she is and is nothing but cordial beyond polite yet Loomer still decides to harass Hillary with alt-stupid questions. get a life.
    totally uncalled for, Hillary is or will be one of the top political figures in history, took her lumps year after year after year but idiots still feel it necessary to harassment her for self promotion.
    sick
    I hope she was dragged out by her nostrils. 



    Post edited by JC29856 on
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,255
    edited September 14
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • If I've said it once I've probably said it a hundred times.  Hillary lost because the first thought in minds when hearing her name is Monica not President.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler To your left.Posts: 28,292
    JC29856 said:
    see this here, Laura Loomer, Hilliary knows who she is and is nothing but cordial beyond polite yet Loomer still decides to harass Hillary with alt-stupid questions. get a life.
    totally uncalled for, Hillary is or will be one of the top political figures in history, took her lumps year after year after year but idiots still feel it necessary to harassment her for self promotion.
    sick
    I hope she was dragged out by her nostrils. 



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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,736
    edited September 14
    ^^^
    See, now that is funny shit up there.  Hillary and all writing a book and speaking on television about promoting her loss.  

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler To your left.Posts: 28,292
    ^^^
    See, now that is funny shit up there.  Hillary and all writing a book and speaking on television about promoting her loss.  

    What was the best part?
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,878
    If I've said it once I've probably said it a hundred times.  Hillary lost because the first thought in minds when hearing her name is Monica not President.
    so how many times are you going to repeat yourself until you realize no one gives shit what you think, PJfannowhereelsetogo?
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 1,418
    Kat said:
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
    Don't care to read the book, but I heard her blame Russia and Comey in two different interviews about the book. I didn't hear her say she could have worked on trust or ran a better campaign. Which I think is the real reason. Agree or not, America has a trust issue with her.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 11,013
    mace1229 said:
    Kat said:
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
    Don't care to read the book, but I heard her blame Russia and Comey in two different interviews about the book. I didn't hear her say she could have worked on trust or ran a better campaign. Which I think is the real reason. Agree or not, America has a trust issue with her.
    she has stated in several different interviews/etc that Russia, Comey, and Sanders don't get all the blame. She has absolutely taken responsibility for her failed campaign, but notes there is not one single factor that lead to her defeat. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,714
    mace1229 said:
    Kat said:
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
    Don't care to read the book, but I heard her blame Russia and Comey in two different interviews about the book. I didn't hear her say she could have worked on trust or ran a better campaign. Which I think is the real reason. Agree or not, America has a trust issue with her.
    The level of mistrust wasn't aligned with reality, though. It was driven by a lot of repetitive Clinton hate since 2000 and grasping at threads. Also factor in the different expectations she had placed on her based on her gender. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 36,750
    edited September 14
    Kat said:
    Absolutely, she sure did... and I can without reservation say that that was the first time George W Bush made me laugh. Picture the setting and him saying that...it was hilarious. 
    GW was on fire that day. That comment along with the hilarious fight with his rain poncho... Delightful! :rofl:
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,097
    edited September 14
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,046
    I am almost done the book and quite like it.  I agree that Hillary does take the blame for her lost.  I would also say that the book is not just about what happen but what will keep happening if things don't change. 


  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 36,750
    Kat said:
    :lol: And Dick Cheney's bemused expression behind him makes it even better .... best thing that ever came out of that relationship. :lol:
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,097
    mace1229 said:
    Kat said:
    Started reading it this morning....she very clearly accepts all blame for her loss in the first few pages of the book.

    The narrative that she blames others is over.
    They're going to keep saying that anyway though. People have their own truth now and facts don't matter to them. I'm enjoying the read. What she was thinking during the inauguration was interesting. I'll have to read more later.
    Don't care to read the book, but I heard her blame Russia and Comey in two different interviews about the book. I didn't hear her say she could have worked on trust or ran a better campaign. Which I think is the real reason. Agree or not, America has a trust issue with her.
    That's what you're missing by not reading the book. I have no trust issues with her. I read and listen to what she's saying and watch what she's done, not take other people's comments about her. Her approval rating when leaving the Secretary of State position was 69% and Republicans thought she did a great job. They stopped saying that when she ran for office and so now I can't believe anything they say after that because they savaged her so dishonestly. One guy said she was the antiChrist. Seriously? She told him later she really wasn't. Ha...what a sense of humor.  That's in the book. :)
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