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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Hillarys Victory Fund year end reports for 2015 and 2016 were just amended three hours ago. Hmm?

    Not gonna bother doing that google thing.  Has her book been published yet? Or is this the edit before being published?
    you won't find it on Google, it's on the fec website. I'm guessing she was advised of some material misstatements so the amendments were necessary.
     I have no idea about her book other than you only have to read the cover to know what happened (question), Hilliary Clinton (answer).
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,068
    JC29856 said:
    Hillarys Victory Fund year end reports for 2015 and 2016 were just amended three hours ago. Hmm?
    Because campaign finance forms never get amended. You know what forms typically don't get amended? Never mind more than once or twice? Security clearance forms and listing of your foreign contacts. Too bad you don't seem to care too much about that. Feeling the Bern? 7Xs.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    JC29856 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Hillarys Victory Fund year end reports for 2015 and 2016 were just amended three hours ago. Hmm?

    Not gonna bother doing that google thing.  Has her book been published yet? Or is this the edit before being published?
    you won't find it on Google, it's on the fec website. I'm guessing she was advised of some material misstatements so the amendments were necessary.
     I have no idea about her book other than you only have to read the cover to know what happened (question), Hilliary Clinton (answer).

    But you started this thread about her book. Are you not following it?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Hillarys Victory Fund year end reports for 2015 and 2016 were just amended three hours ago. Hmm?

    Not gonna bother doing that google thing.  Has her book been published yet? Or is this the edit before being published?
    you won't find it on Google, it's on the fec website. I'm guessing she was advised of some material misstatements so the amendments were necessary.
     I have no idea about her book other than you only have to read the cover to know what happened (question), Hilliary Clinton (answer).

    But you started this thread about her book. Are you not following it?
    not really, it's out in two weeks. I'm sure it will be all over, so will Hillary, on Ellen, abc this week, maybe Megan Kelly will get an exclusive.

  • cincybearcat
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Go Beavers said:
    The topic beings up an interesting gender issue: that women are judged more on the quality of their relationships then men. Imagine if Hillary had multiple children with multiple ex-husbands? Or think about how people would look at a race between Michelle Obama vs. Mr. Lisa Murkowski? How much would their spouse factor in?
    Haha, oh, if a female with multiple kids from various men tried running for office she wouldn't even get off the ground. Meanwhile, Trump has an ex-wife who says he raped her, and even his opponents didn't seem to give a shit about it.
    Ummmm.....there is a good joke just sitting there waiting to be made!

    But you are absolutely correct. 
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  • JC29856
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    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-what-happened/index.html

    Crooked Hilliary was Bernies fault.

     "Nonetheless, his attacks caused lasting damage, making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Trump's 'Crooked Hillary' campaign."
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-what-happened/index.html

    Crooked Hilliary was Bernies fault.

     "Nonetheless, his attacks caused lasting damage, making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Trump's 'Crooked Hillary' campaign."
    Feel the Bern.
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  • JC29856
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    Bernin down the house!

    Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn't make an argument against me in this area on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo and impugning my character. Some of his supporters, the so-called Bernie Bros, took to harassing my supporters online. It got ugly and more than a little sexist. When I finally challenged Bernie during a debate to name a single time I changed a position or a vote because of a financial contribution, he couldn't come up with anything. Nonetheless, his attacks caused lasting damage, making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Trump's "Crooked Hillary" campaign.

    I don't know if that bothered Bernie or not. He certainly shared my horror at the thought of Donald Trump becoming President, and I appreciate that he campaigned for me in the general election. But he isn't a Democrat — that's not a smear, that's what he says. He didn't get into the race to make sure a Democrat won the White House, he got in to disrupt the Democratic Party. He was right that Democrats needed to strengthen our focus on working families and that there's always a danger of spending too much time courting donors because of our insane campaign finance system. He also engaged a lot of young people in the political process for the first time, which is extremely important. But I think he was fundamentally wrong about the Democratic Party — the party that brought us Social Security under Roosevelt; Medicare and Medicaid under Johnson; peace between Israel and Egypt under Carter; broad-based prosperity and a balanced budget under Clinton; and rescued the auto industry, passed health care reform, and imposed tough new rules on Wall Street under Obama. I am proud to be a Democrat and I wish Bernie were, too.

  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    ^ I think that the second paragraph is spot on. The first paragraph is a stretch though. But the second is something I and a few others have been saying for over a year; Bernie is not a Democrat. Why would the DNC remain neutral in a two way race with a long time Democrat and a guy who openly says he isn't a Democrat- but would gladly take their money if he were the candidate. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    Bernin down the house!

    Because we agreed on so much, Bernie couldn't make an argument against me in this area on policy, so he had to resort to innuendo and impugning my character. Some of his supporters, the so-called Bernie Bros, took to harassing my supporters online. It got ugly and more than a little sexist. When I finally challenged Bernie during a debate to name a single time I changed a position or a vote because of a financial contribution, he couldn't come up with anything. Nonetheless, his attacks caused lasting damage, making it harder to unify progressives in the general election and paving the way for Trump's "Crooked Hillary" campaign.

    I don't know if that bothered Bernie or not. He certainly shared my horror at the thought of Donald Trump becoming President, and I appreciate that he campaigned for me in the general election. But he isn't a Democrat — that's not a smear, that's what he says. He didn't get into the race to make sure a Democrat won the White House, he got in to disrupt the Democratic Party. He was right that Democrats needed to strengthen our focus on working families and that there's always a danger of spending too much time courting donors because of our insane campaign finance system. He also engaged a lot of young people in the political process for the first time, which is extremely important. But I think he was fundamentally wrong about the Democratic Party — the party that brought us Social Security under Roosevelt; Medicare and Medicaid under Johnson; peace between Israel and Egypt under Carter; broad-based prosperity and a balanced budget under Clinton; and rescued the auto industry, passed health care reform, and imposed tough new rules on Wall Street under Obama. I am proud to be a Democrat and I wish Bernie were, too.

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Bernie lost. Move on.
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  • Kat
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    edited September 2017
    The analysis is important for the left to work on a healthy and progressive party people can vote for and are excited to vote for. There are so many great ideas and there has to be a great candidate promoting and delivering those ideas. I'm looking forward to reading this book. The ideas aren't only leftish, they are important to all so crossover voting would be great.
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  • ledvedderman
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    I agree with what I think Kat is going for. If the Democratic Party can blend the ideas of Sanders and Clinton to appeal to the majority of Americans and find candidates who aren't terribly flawed- it could be the rebirth of Dems here. 
    But that's asking for a lot. 
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    edited September 2017
    Well, they have to decide on the goal and work for it. It can't just be that everything is adrift. A leader is needed who will inspire. :)

    I know I've said something very basic there. Who is going to relentlessly search for that leader? 
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  • brianlux
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    ledvedderman said:
    I agree with what I think Kat is going for. If the Democratic Party can blend the ideas of Sanders and Clinton to appeal to the majority of Americans and find candidates who aren't terribly flawed- it could be the rebirth of Dems here. 
    But that's asking for a lot. 
    Considering the Dems couldn't come up with someone who could beat Trump (how do you lose to Trump- I still find that hard to believe), that's asking quite a lot. 
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  • Kat
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    I think she did beat him and strongly. He only got in through a technicality. Cue founding fathers rolling in their graves. 

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  • brianlux
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    Kat said:
    I think she did beat him and strongly. He only got in through a technicality. Cue founding fathers rolling in their graves. 

    True- the Electoral College.  Time to dump that  one.  Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe the Dems couldn't some up with a candidate that would beat a clown like Trump by a record breaking landslide.  Or maybe the American voting public really has gotten that lame in which case- good luck to us.  :frowning:
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  • ledvedderman
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    Gavin Newsom. He's the white knight for the Dems. The only thing hurting him at the moment is timing. He could win governor in 2018, but starting a presidential run in 2019 could be a real stretch. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:
    I think she did beat him and strongly. He only got in through a technicality. Cue founding fathers rolling in their graves. 

    True- the Electoral College.  Time to dump that  one.  Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe the Dems couldn't some up with a candidate that would beat a clown like Trump by a record breaking landslide.  Or maybe the American voting public really has gotten that lame in which case- good luck to us.  :frowning:
    I don't think the Electoral College is a bad thing at all, but I do think the 'winner takes all' within a State's voting population makes little sense. Why not do proportional representation within a State? D gets 48%, R gets 52%, a State has 7 seats - 7*.48 = 3.36 = 3 seats for D, 7*.52 = 3.64 = 4 seats for R. This way you can optimize the normalizing of congressional and Electoral College seats (as the method of equal proportions does quite well), while moving forward from committing a State's number of seats based on a binary decision (win or lose).
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  • JC29856
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    technicality is a new one!

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-bernie-sanders-set-up-the-crooked-hillary-image/amp/

    CNN propagandists tripping all over themselves
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    Kat said:
    I think she did beat him and strongly. He only got in through a technicality. Cue founding fathers rolling in their graves. 

    True- the Electoral College.  Time to dump that  one.  Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe the Dems couldn't some up with a candidate that would beat a clown like Trump by a record breaking landslide.  Or maybe the American voting public really has gotten that lame in which case- good luck to us.  :frowning:
    I don't think the Electoral College is a bad thing at all, but I do think the 'winner takes all' within a State's voting population makes little sense. Why not do proportional representation within a State? D gets 48%, R gets 52%, a State has 7 seats - 7*.48 = 3.36 = 3 seats for D, 7*.52 = 3.64 = 4 seats for R. This way you can optimize the normalizing of congressional and Electoral College seats (as the method of equal proportions does quite well), while moving forward from committing a State's number of seats based on a binary decision (win or lose).
    this way has always made sense to me. winner take all is stupid to me. but the electoral college, as I've stated many times before, was never a problem for anyone until Trump won by it. I find it quite amazing the job that was done setting it up way back then, and it hasn't really been a question until now. 
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