Labels, yea or nay?

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  • dignindignin Posts: 4,834
    Put me down for yea.
  • This thread is dangerous.  If you've had a few and read the title at first it say Liberals, Yea or nay
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,235
    rgambs said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    Though far fewer, there are also the people who have a need to refuse any sort of label or description at all on the other side of the spectrum.

    The part of me that takes long slow sips of Haterade day and night gets annoyed at those people.
    That goth girl/boy that raves about being too unique and original to be described...who hangs out with people that act, look, and think just like her/him...
    :anguished:
    Libertarians
    :anguished:
    Martians
    :confused:
    That's just it: people want to be seen as individuals but in doing so, they unwittingly find themselves in a group of peers. 

    With the political parties in the US, though, there are people who don't belong firmly in either. For example, I support gun rights and people probably label me as a right wing gun nut. However, there is not a single other issue that I agree with the right on. Mis-applying labels to those people doesn't do anything good for anyone, even if it seems to make conversations "easier".
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 8,401
    dudeman said:
    rgambs said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    Though far fewer, there are also the people who have a need to refuse any sort of label or description at all on the other side of the spectrum.

    The part of me that takes long slow sips of Haterade day and night gets annoyed at those people.
    That goth girl/boy that raves about being too unique and original to be described...who hangs out with people that act, look, and think just like her/him...
    :anguished:
    Libertarians
    :anguished:
    Martians
    :confused:
    That's just it: people want to be seen as individuals but in doing so, they unwittingly find themselves in a group of peers. 

    With the political parties in the US, though, there are people who don't belong firmly in either. For example, I support gun rights and people probably label me as a right wing gun nut. However, there is not a single other issue that I agree with the right on. Mis-applying labels to those people doesn't do anything good for anyone, even if it seems to make conversations "easier".
    I think most people are similar, there aren't very many people who are really that far away from labels.  It's usually _____ with the exception of ______.


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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,235
    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    rgambs said:
    brianlux said:
    rgambs said:
    I'm actually in the pro-label camp.
    I'm a language guy and the way I see it, labels make conversation much easier.
    No, they don't always fit, but usually there is something pretty close, especially if you combine a few.
    I too am big on language but that includes being accurate in its usage and that is that main problem I have with (at least here in the U.S.) the use of labels.  For example, most people see meas a "liberal" or even a bit "radical" but in all honesty, I see myself as being as much conservative as either of those.  But conservative with respect to what?  Well, the true meaning of the word, of course, as well as toward being pro conservation.   See what I mean?
    Haha I should have known you would take it there! You are right, we are the true conservatives, you have said it before and I agree wholeheartedly.
    In that way, the labels that adhere to us are entirely faulty, and I think that is probably the case with most labels.  They are not accurate or precise, and they have glaring holes and/or redundancies and contradictions.
    I'm still pro lol
    They just make things easier, and any decent discussion quickly moves beyond them anyways.

    Besides, what fun would it be if you never got to make that point about what is truly conservative again?  No fun, lol

    LOL, Right on you radical liberal conservative you!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    This thread is dangerous.  If you've had a few and read the title at first it say Liberals, Yea or nay
    If you've had a few and read the thread title wrong you might even get it locked, lol.  Let's not go there.  :wink:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    dudeman said:
    rgambs said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    Though far fewer, there are also the people who have a need to refuse any sort of label or description at all on the other side of the spectrum.

    The part of me that takes long slow sips of Haterade day and night gets annoyed at those people.
    That goth girl/boy that raves about being too unique and original to be described...who hangs out with people that act, look, and think just like her/him...
    :anguished:
    Libertarians
    :anguished:
    Martians
    :confused:
    That's just it: people want to be seen as individuals but in doing so, they unwittingly find themselves in a group of peers. 

    With the political parties in the US, though, there are people who don't belong firmly in either. For example, I support gun rights and people probably label me as a right wing gun nut. However, there is not a single other issue that I agree with the right on. Mis-applying labels to those people doesn't do anything good for anyone, even if it seems to make conversations "easier".
    Well said, dudeman! 

    It's hard to be an individual but there are certain signs to look for.  Like for example, a dude wearing a Dinosaur Jr t-shirt.  There you go!
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 17,661
    Well, my first though was that old commercial...

    Libby's on the Label :lol:

    I think many are OK with labels when the labeling from others falls in line with their own labeling of themselves.

    For me, I'm all over the place.  I admit it, what's to say?  I try not to limit myself and keep an open mind but of course, fail at times.  As mentioned earlier, common-sense shit, and being true to your own sense of morality, of responsibility.  Someone else wants to define me - read: view - as different than I define myself (and, is that even the truth or just self-perception?), it's usually OK by me, unless it comes from someone I hold in high(er) esteem - someone I'd hope would know my character.

    Otherwise, label away!  And hope they don't take the Costanza turn.

    (damn you, Whatley)
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha CliathPosts: 2,432
    By the way, I am very happy to describe myself as an atheistic pacifist with left-wing socialist beliefs. I don't think this in any way makes me less of an individual or impinges upon my ability to think independently. Rather it gives me a sense of identity
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 17,661
    By the way, I am very happy to describe myself as an atheistic pacifist with left-wing socialist beliefs. I don't think this in any way makes me less of an individual or impinges upon my ability to think independently. Rather it gives me a sense of identity
    You seem to have your head on pretty straight, Jenny :)
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,316
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 35,573
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,316
    brianlux said:
    Labels are pretty damn essential when having any discussion about politics. I don't know how it works in your country but parties are identified by labels and it just makes everything a lot easier. In Denmark, the statsminister is from the Venstre party, which literally means Left (though in English they're called the Liberal Party). Nearly every country in Europe has a Socialist party. It's just how things work. 
    If we could agree that labels are vague or inaccurate (and I don't know you you do agree with that), then I would ask, what makes labels essential?  Should not something essential and important be precise and thoroughly understood as well?  Do people- or anybody for that matter- fir into a neat and tidy little description? 

    And what is the "everything" you mention that labels make easy and why  is it this everything needs to be easy? 

    I'm not trying to be belligerent with you, honestly, but I don't understand your argument.
    if labels were to be accurate, there would be too many of them to go around and it would be too confusing and no one would know which way is up. 

    and as to your "I'm a conservative because I fight for the conservation of the earth",  you know that "conservative" in the current political context of the word has zero do with envinronmental conservation. it's conserving their values, as you know. 

    just stirring the pot, again, brian! :lol:
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    labels help navigate one through the shithole that is life
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  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha CliathPosts: 2,432
    hedonist said:
    By the way, I am very happy to describe myself as an atheistic pacifist with left-wing socialist beliefs. I don't think this in any way makes me less of an individual or impinges upon my ability to think independently. Rather it gives me a sense of identity
    You seem to have your head on pretty straight, Jenny :)
    :hug:
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    brianlux said:
    Labels are pretty damn essential when having any discussion about politics. I don't know how it works in your country but parties are identified by labels and it just makes everything a lot easier. In Denmark, the statsminister is from the Venstre party, which literally means Left (though in English they're called the Liberal Party). Nearly every country in Europe has a Socialist party. It's just how things work. 
    If we could agree that labels are vague or inaccurate (and I don't know you you do agree with that), then I would ask, what makes labels essential?  Should not something essential and important be precise and thoroughly understood as well?  Do people- or anybody for that matter- fir into a neat and tidy little description? 

    And what is the "everything" you mention that labels make easy and why  is it this everything needs to be easy? 

    I'm not trying to be belligerent with you, honestly, but I don't understand your argument.
    if labels were to be accurate, there would be too many of them to go around and it would be too confusing and no one would know which way is up. 

    and as to your "I'm a conservative because I fight for the conservation of the earth",  you know that "conservative" in the current political context of the word has zero do with envinronmental conservation. it's conserving their values, as you know. 

    just stirring the pot, again, brian! :lol:
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,325
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 35,573
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?
    :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,316
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?
    :lol:
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,612
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 17,661
    I wonder if labels are used as an offense or defense.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,316
    edited June 1
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 19,642
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    By  being massively obsessed with wanting to know every detail about everything,  I'm currently researching the condition of kitchen sink faucets in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.

    But no, seriously, when I read the above (and humorous responses to) concerns about security in Manitoba it peaked my curiosity and I went on-line to see what I could find and found an article on safety of travel in Winnepeg.  Other than the North End, it sounds like an interesting town.  (So I guess I am a little obsessed with wanting to know the details :lol:    )
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 35,573
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    Well it's really cheap to fly there from Vancouver because nobody really wants to go, so one day I might end up in Winnipeg for a PJ show, since it's the only city that my meager collection of airmiles will take me for free. :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 10,316
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    Well it's really cheap to fly there from Vancouver because nobody really wants to go, so one day I might end up in Winnipeg for a PJ show, since it's the only city that my meager collection of airmiles will take me for free. :lol:
    hmm, our friends from vancouver tell a different story about flight costs to here. they come every year. and honestly, I don't blame them. I don't hate it here, but going from living in vancouver and having to visit winnipeg is not exactly what I'd call "a good vacation choice". I have no interest in living in a big city like Vancouver, I love visiting there, but I'd prefer a burb than the city itself.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 35,573
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    Well it's really cheap to fly there from Vancouver because nobody really wants to go, so one day I might end up in Winnipeg for a PJ show, since it's the only city that my meager collection of airmiles will take me for free. :lol:
    hmm, our friends from vancouver tell a different story about flight costs to here. they come every year. and honestly, I don't blame them. I don't hate it here, but going from living in vancouver and having to visit winnipeg is not exactly what I'd call "a good vacation choice". I have no interest in living in a big city like Vancouver, I love visiting there, but I'd prefer a burb than the city itself.

    Stayed in Kits for a week at a condo on the water a few years back. it was glorious. 
    Well, Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg are the only 3 cities I can get to with 2000 airmiles, lol. It's all relative. There is no such thing as an actual cheap flight out of Vancouver. Airfares out of this place are all insane.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 5,612
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    Well it's really cheap to fly there from Vancouver because nobody really wants to go, so one day I might end up in Winnipeg for a PJ show, since it's the only city that my meager collection of airmiles will take me for free. :lol:
    hmm, our friends from vancouver tell a different story about flight costs to here. they come every year. and honestly, I don't blame them. I don't hate it here, but going from living in vancouver and having to visit winnipeg is not exactly what I'd call "a good vacation choice". I have no interest in living in a big city like Vancouver, I love visiting there, but I'd prefer a burb than the city itself.

    Stayed in Kits for a week at a condo on the water a few years back. it was glorious. 
    Well, Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg are the only 3 cities I can get to with 2000 airmiles, lol. It's all relative. There is no such thing as an actual cheap flight out of Vancouver. Airfares out of this place are all insane.
    Try flying from Victoria. Do you have any idea how much they charge for the 15 minute flight between Victoria and Vancouver? 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 35,573
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dudeman said:
    Some people have a desire, maybe even a need, to place others in a particular box. I assume that is so they know how to approach talking to them. I do it too but I see it as problematic. 
    some also have a desire/need to be in a box themselves so they identify with a certain group and feel a part of something. 

    I am liberal leaning. But I don't always vote liberal party. Actually, not just "not always", I don't vote consistently by party EVER. it is based on the issues of today, where I think my area/country needs to go socially, politically, globally, economically, and make my decision based on that. i have voted every single major party (there are 5 recognized) in Canada. 

    I voted democrat provincially, but then they ran our economy into the toilet, so I voted conservative in the last election. Now that hoser spends most of his time at his residence in costa rica and it's apparently no one's business how much work he does while there. he won't even tell people how he communicates with his staff in Manitoba while there, citing "security concerns".

    it is quite likely I won't be voting that party next time around. 
    Manitoba has a Social Democrat party still??
    Manitoba has security concerns?

    I would have security concerns if I went to Manitoba.

    (Sorry, HFD)
    I hear The North End in Winnipeg has quite the night life (for the reckless and foolhardy, that is.)

    Otherwise, sounds like a nice place.  Home town of Neil Young!
    LOL. you guys. yes, we are the detroit of Canada. However, that's only in certain areas. Downtown and the burbs are fine. It's, as Brian said, the north end can get sketchy (HOW IN THE HELL DOES A CALIFORNIAN KNOW ABOUT WINNIPEG'S NORTH END???). But there's really no reason for anyone who doesn't live there to go there. 


    Well it's really cheap to fly there from Vancouver because nobody really wants to go, so one day I might end up in Winnipeg for a PJ show, since it's the only city that my meager collection of airmiles will take me for free. :lol:
    hmm, our friends from vancouver tell a different story about flight costs to here. they come every year. and honestly, I don't blame them. I don't hate it here, but going from living in vancouver and having to visit winnipeg is not exactly what I'd call "a good vacation choice". I have no interest in living in a big city like Vancouver, I love visiting there, but I'd prefer a burb than the city itself.

    Stayed in Kits for a week at a condo on the water a few years back. it was glorious. 
    Well, Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg are the only 3 cities I can get to with 2000 airmiles, lol. It's all relative. There is no such thing as an actual cheap flight out of Vancouver. Airfares out of this place are all insane.
    Try flying from Victoria. Do you have any idea how much they charge for the 15 minute flight between Victoria and Vancouver? 
    It's insanity!!!
    How much are those private float plane rides to and from Vancouver/Victoria? Maybe those are cheaper than going through the actual airport? I'm sure you've checked all options though. Have you heard about this private company planning on a super duper fast-ferry route for downtown Vancouver-Victoria? No word yet as far as pricing goes (I don't think), but that would likely be cheaper than flying in any case, and the downtown Vancouver port is SOOOO much more convenient than Tsawwassen, especially if you're going YVR.
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